Awesome Jakob Ingebrigtsen profile in The Times: When I'm done, I want there to be no doubt I'm the GOAT.

He has had not a single WR, Dumbstrong.

He clearly has to better

Nurmi's 9 Olympic Gold medals
Gebrselassie 26 WRs
El Guerrouj's 30+ sub 3:30 times
Farah's no. of global titles
Cheptegei's, ElG's and Komen's current WRs
Keino's and Aouita's range
Bekele's and Kipchoge's longevity
Zatopek's triple
Rono's record season
Coe's two Golds
Elliott's and Bayi's WRs in finals
Moses' and Holloway's unbeaten records
Beamon's % improvement

Bubka's no. of records

if stupidity would hurt...

You are addressing my initial post on page 6 which Armstrong has misquoted and went BANANAS over for many pages.

I will try to discuss the topic in a civilized manner.

First, I explicitely stated that Jakob is not the Goat yet. BUT...... I did not write anything about what might be necessary to be the Goat in the future!

I only stated that he was the most successful 1500m to 5000m and I think you will agree that is right even if you include the 10000m distance which Bekele, Gebrselassie and more also ran..

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I think Jakob is considering the distances from 1500m to the marathon, including the 3000SC, when he is talking about becoming the Greatest of All Time. That is the distances where he reportedly will try to break the WRs. I THINK HE HAS A REAL CHANCE TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, BARRING ILLNESS AND INJURY.

I am a big admirer of Bekele and I agree that Jakob possibly never will be the Goat if X country WC races have to be included. He would need to start running these races and it seems almost impossibly to come close to Bekele in this respect. And today there is only one race, the long one, not 2 as before.

I like your reasoning and the way you present your thoughts.

That is exactly why you should be banned from this website permanently. You make personal insults. You do not respond at all to the well thought out and detailed research and arguments of anyone else. You litter the boards with one sentence dismissals, often twenty to the page of a thread. We'd all be far better off with you off the boards. You contribute nothing whatsoever. What facts should we be taking account of here? You bring none of them.

Snell was a bum compared to Jakob. Running against other bums is not what it is now. Jakob now has a couple thousand more competitors from around the world than Snell ever did.

You're probably a boomer that bought a house in the 70's for 8 raspberries and can't grasp that now 2 people in the houshold have to work 20 years to afford the same house. Times are much harder now, in sports too. Therefore the achievements much more valuable as well.

Oh, it's going to be joyous when Kerr beats him.

Absolutely.

I find no flaws in your reasoning here.!

And I also agree in your saying about personal references.

Rudisha and El Guerrouj share sort of the same problem when it comes to being Goats -they could dominate their events, but their WR’s aren’t like Bolt’s 100m, meaning #2 all time runner in the 1500m / mile (Lagat/Ngeny) and the 800m (Kipketer) is a little too near their WR’s. And the 2000m for Hicham was something he sort of did on his 1500m strength. But if he had done the 3000m 3 sec faster I think he could have entered the Goat discussion…

Jakob is extremely interesting. One year ago I thought he would have had to settle with a 3.26.5 in a max race -simply not fast enough in the 800m to do 1500m WR. But know I think he can break it (if a year or two without injuries). But a 3.25.8 won’t make him the 1500m Goat in my eyes; but of course close…

I think Jakob is Goat material. But because of injuries I think the odds are less than 50%. But there’s another side: If Jakob also has the potential in the 10k and half marathon he thinks he has then there is a possibility he can become the Goat with a HUGE margin!

Best ever at no events? Jakob is the best ever at 2k and 2M, fourth best at 1500m (ahead are a doper (Kiprop), a runner whose training partners tested positive (El G), and an A sample (Lagat)), third best at mile, third best ever at 3k, 15th at 5000m. Add to that three world or Olympic golds and two silvers. That is a great, great start to the GOAT case at 22! And of course his comments make it crystal clear that he is not talking about being the best ever at one event but at a range of them from 1500m through half marathon. Contrast a figure like Bekele, 2nd at 5k and 10k, and lower at every other distance, 1500m in the 700s, half marathon 848.

Eh, but Bekele's record at 3000m and up is overall much better than Jakob's. Still has WR in indoor 2000m and 5000m, plus his 2nd at 5000m and 10000m was done with no wavelengths or supershoes. The one guy ahead of him, Cheptegei, has been no where near as dominant at either as Bekele was in his prime (undefeated in 10000m from 2003-2011). Also 3rd in the marathon all time with a masters WR to boot. His 11 world XC titles unquestionably make him the GOAT in cross. His half ranking is also not representative of his true potential, a 2:01:41 marathoner can run a half faster than 60:07, Bekele just barely ever raced the half and never did a serious time trial. Jakob could be the GOAT one day, but he's got a long way to go. He needs to throw down some fast 10000m and half times first before he can be in the conversation of distance GOAT.

Compare Jakob to a runner like Andreas Almgren. Almgren started out as an 800m runner, barely has any Worlds or Olympics finals appearances but in his HM debut a few weeks ago he runs a 59:22, second fastest European in history

If we can assume that Jakob knows himself the best with the HM and 10k being his strongest events and we can assume that he can perform better in the HM than a runner from his neighboring country with no global medals, then he's going to be on GOAT trajectory if he leaves Paris with the gold in the 1500 and 5000.

Also remember that Jakobs current main competition in the 5k is Katir, a doper, who Jakob still managed to outkick 4 days after losing the 1500 final.

all-time performer

Bekele
1500m (159)
2000m (WIR)
3000m (13)
5000m (2)
10000m (2)
Half-Marathon (339) (obviouisly not close to his potential)
Marathon (3)

Ingebrigtsen
1500m (4)
1 Mile (3)
2000m (1)
3000m (3)
2 Miles (1)
5000m(19)
steeple (690) (at age 16)

To pass Bekele, he obviously has a long way to go. But with this basis at age 22 (!) he definitely has a serious chance.
If I had to predict, I would say he will not improve on his 1500m and Mile marks. He will better Komen's 3000m WR (7:17) and Cheptegei's 5000m WR (12:33). 10000m + HM - top times, but not really close to the WR - never runs a marathon. If he has real interest in the steeple I think sub 7:50 is possible. If he can achieve this until 2028 and win two more Olympic Golds (including a 10k Gold) then for me he would be the GOAT distance runner. Even when he retires at age 31 (after 2032 Olympics - or maybe even after 2028...).
Yes, Bekele has set the bar extremely high, but long distance success combined with his already achievd 1500m success probably would do it for me (definitely if he could add the steeple WR).
But I might be not completely objective here, because my main focus is in track running and not so much in cross and road running.
At the moment for me Bekele and Gebrselassie are far ahead. Other all-time greats are closer (10k WR and/or Gold and I would put him ahead of El Guerrouj). 2nd 1500m Gold and a WR in an Olympic event, and Coe already is very close.
Elliot, Snell, Keino, Viren, Aouita for me are no serious contenders (not that he has passed all of them already, but should very soon).

But after his marriage and for the 1st time serious injury problems, it's not so far stretched that he loses some focus, especially if Paris goes not to his liking. Also some others have improved extremely. What about Niels Laros? Let's wait and see,

I don't know if you have this phrasing in English but we call this:

"Fishing in turbid water"

Knowing the one that was tested positive was 2 years at least after El G.

You don't know the personality of El G., similar to F. Lakjaa who is doing miracles in the Moroccan Football.

Its an austère personality difficult ti reach ...

And reason all LRC hater (Good day STEVE) spend 20 years without finding a single breach.

Anyway I read an article from A. Kada from 2019 where he say that El G. never tested positive at any competition and he as coach never had a runner that was tested positive.

By the way are you sure we won't find "something" about Jakob in a few years?

Or are a monotheist devote?

(they made 10 years to reach Lance Armstrong)

8 months ago he has had Komen's 7:58.61 as strong as any other running record. Ingebrigtsen's 7:54.10 for him is just a mark in an odd distance not worth talking about...

He has completely destroyed dozens of threads, since years. For sure he should have been banned long, long ago.

Fair enough. The other challenge with world XC now is the championships are only held every other year. It would be unrealistic to expect Jakob to win 11 XC golds like Bekele, but if he could win 3, I think that would help his GOAT case.

Related side note: I just learned that the 2026 world XC championships will be held in Tallahassee, FL! Somehow I missed that announcement. I’m already excited to attend! Hopefully Jakob will be competing along with our top Americans.

Jakob fanboys and their dreams.

Should we recall them that there in no emperor in the middle of a desert?

Recall me the last distance runner from Norway before the Ingert family project.