Mo Katir suspended for whereabouts failures

Not really sure what you want to say here. My first post is page 8.

I saw the many votes. Thanks for the tip.

Thanks for providing WADA's definition -- that's essentially what I said. He will become a doper according to the custom definition in the WADA Code.

I haven't seen any stats broken down by clean/dirty athletes and appeals. Have you?

Why don't dirty athletes appeal their filing errors or missed tests so that it doesnt get to 3 missed tests in under a year? Seems like a no-brainer to always appeal.

Chapado warns that Katir is not "eligible" even with a precautionary measure and remembers the neutrality of the RFEA

The president of the Royal Spanish Athletics Federation (RFEA), Raúl Chapado, stated this Thursday that he is "totally in favor of the fight against
doping" and warned that Mohamed Katir is not "eligible" to compete even if he obtains the precautionary measure after being provisionally
sanctioned for three location failures, a case where the federative body must have "a neutral position at all times."
Chapado appeared before the media a day after the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU, in English) provisionally suspended the long-distance runner from
Murcia for those three location failures for anti-doping controls, something that Katir has denied, saying yes. was available".
"First of all, I say that as president of the RFEA I am totally in favor of the fight against doping, of those athletes who compete in a clean and fair
manner, and that we are obliged to comply with the regulations both in Spain and in international frameworks. "said Chapado in a press conference
where he was accompanied by Ana Ballesteros, general secretary of the RFEA.
The president stressed that Katir's specific case is "very special" and insisted that it is "in process," which prevents him from giving details. "We are in
a first phase of investigation despite the fact that there is a provisional sanction, we are subject to confidentiality and the RFEA will always act within
the legal framework," he stressed.
Chapado does not forget that "the more level and success" the person involved has, as may be the case with the current 5,000 meter world runner-up,
"the impact is greater." "We cannot require athletes and coaches to comply with the regulations and not comply with them ourselves, we have to
respect the procedure and make the evaluations at the end, otherwise it would be hasty and playing with speculation," he said.
The head of the RFEA received notification of this provisional suspension "yesterday, Wednesday" through Katir's representative, with whom he has
had "no contact" for now. "The current rules in the anti-doping field are that federations do not even interfere in open procedures," he warned.
"We must have a neutral position at all times. I appreciate that your representative made a statement before the AIU announced the sanction. He
informed me of the situation and read me the communication that they were going to launch," said the former athlete, who reiterated that your agency
must "cooperate as much as possible and respect procedures." "If we were ingesting, someone would say we would be helping athletes," he said.
The former jumper could not reveal "anything" about the dates on which Katir would not have been located, but he listed the steps that the AIU takes
in these cases. "If there is a failed location, the AIU identifies the person and gives them time for allegations. If the control body understands that
there is no justification, it communicates to the athlete, their federation and World Athletics that they have a failure," he explained.
"When there are three, if there is no justification for removing any, they are given another period of allegations and if they are not addressed, that
procedure, which is neither a sanction nor a file, passes to a body that is the one that investigates the sanctioning file. In this case, a file has been
opened and it has been decided to apply a provisional sanction," Chapado explained.
"NO IDEA" ABOUT WHETHER THE MULE COULD BE IN THE OLYMPICS
The president of the RFEA has "no idea" if this file will leave Katir without competing next summer in the Paris Olympic Games due to "legal
deadlines." He then insisted, just as his federation did this Wednesday in a note, that since they approved eligibility criteria in 2017, if an athlete has
"an open file for discipline or doping, he is not eligible for the RFEA." "If he has a precautionary measure, he is not eligible until there is a definitive
resolution," he asserted.
"The RFEA is clear that it is the responsibility of the athletes to comply with the anti-doping regulations, both with themselves and to keep this fight
against doping integral. They have to have that commitment and the regulations must be known. We do training activities with young people in who
are told all the risks of doping and the procedures," commented Chapado.
Regarding Katir's insinuation on social networks, later deleted, that he could compete with Morocco after receiving criticism for what he considers "an
administrative failure", Chapado asked to "respect any comment" and demanded that the athlete not go further .
"No procedure justifies any attack for reasons of racism or beliefs," stressed the leader, who also did not value Adel Mechaal's words in which he said
that this suspension was "good news." "They are personal opinions and we do not assess whether they are always within the respect and dignity of
people," he concluded.
"We have history to have learned. Anything around doping affects the reputation of a sport and is very worrying. If we think that doping has
disappeared we are making a mistake, hopefully one day everyone who participates in the sport will comply with the rules. Of course that worries me,
at a national and international level," Chapado said.
"The anti-doping fight has to continue thinking about improving technology or processes, that is everyone's job, to collaborate in this fight to keep
sport clean and fair," stated the top leader of the RFEA during his press conference.

IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO COPY THIS ARTICLE

Well, I’m glad you understood what I meant, and that you yourself are calling your calling out for “technically “. And I didn’t write doping, I wrote doper. But let’s not fight about words -I’m perfectly happy to rephrase doper to on dope, which was what you understood I meant..

But you didn’t comment the content in my post: That Wada ban you for 4 years (or more, or minus one year if you are declaring guilt) if you are being proven to be on dope, and 2 or 1 year for other offences against the doping rules (or less, there are some nuances here)… Please comment on my content…

You know as good as I do that when most posters on this thread speak about doping and dopers they mean not only violations of the doping rules like whereabouts, but specifically an athlete being on or has been on performance boosting illegal drugs. This is what they claim is Katir’s real crime… (Let’s not pretend anything less, or be «technically” here).

The same is to be said about Wada. Violations of the doping rules, f.ex whereabouts, gives a punishment of 1-2 years (sometimes shorter) whereas proof of being on illegal performance drugs gives 4 years. So when Katir gets 2 years, what is Wada saying by that? Was I wrong in my previous post about this? Didn’t you understand this content in my previous post? Did you think I meant what Wada technically names every breach of their doping rules?

I don't think judging by the time of the ban whether or not one is "proven to be on dope" is useful. Clearly that's misleading. Look at the 11 doping offenses:

2.1 Presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers in an Athlete’s Sample

2.2 Use or Attempted Use by an Athlete of a Prohibited Substance or a Prohibited Method

2.3 Evading, Refusing or Failing to Submit to Sample Collection by an Athlete

2.4 Whereabouts Failures by an Athlete

2.5 Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control by an Athlete or Other Person

2.6 Possession of a Prohibited Substance or a Prohibited Method by an Athlete or Athlete Support Person

2.7 Trafficking or Attempted Trafficking in any Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method by an Athlete or Other Person

2.8 Administration or Attempted Administration by an Athlete or Other Person to any Athlete In-Competition of any Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method, or Administration or Attempted Administration to any Athlete Out-of-Competition of any Prohibited Substance or any Prohibited Method that is Prohibited Out-of-Competition

2.9 Complicity or Attempted Complicity by an Athlete or Other Person

2.10 Prohibited Association by an Athlete or Other Person

2.11 Acts by an Athlete or Other Person to Discourage or Retaliate Against Reporting to Authorities

2.1, 2.2, 2.6, 2.7, maybe 2.8 are about PEDs, but not necessarily about using PEDs. I am quite but not 100% sure that the standard ban for those is four years. I think the standard bans for 2.3 is also four years, and for 2.4 and 2.5 two years. 2.8 is four years, regardless of whether a Prohibited Substance (e.g, EPO) or a Prohibited Method (e.g., excessive infusion of water) was used.

No clue about 2.9, 2.10 and 2.11, and I don't care enough to look that up. Either way, you can't distinguish based on the length of the ban to decide what you call doping with PEDs.

Thanks for posting that information. It's kind of obvious that this fiasco was a setup.

There are so many obvious flags that show what a bogus operation that they are, and right there are 11 of them.

Spencer Brown (The Athletes Special) Did a whole lot of waffling in his video about this. He saying that Mo Katir current times are bs and that improvements over the distances are invaild. Maybe hes saying it out of hate bc he cant improve his times but Mo's training has been pretty consistent over the period of time and you can drop big prs if your running in the right races and ever heard of a breakout year

I bet that "information" is incorrect. No way he had 25 tests in this season (!) alone, and no way he wasn't informed about the first two missed tests.

They don't want to hear the truth.

I can't believe of a thing called "micro-dosing" its the argument of the weak and looser.

Just the effort and precaution done at micro-dosing and timing everything will cost a lot psychologically.

Katir was running for almost 4 years, tested double tested and triple tested. He should be way technologically advanced if he was micro-dosing all this time.

This forum is full of haters and even criticizing Neguse will cost you a removal of post.

Sorry if it's already been posted in this thread, but did Katir really pass 20 test in 2023? If so, can someone share the dates of each test?

If he got tested 22 times and passed every time (but missed 3 because of travel scheudules), I would find that pretty convincing that he is not taking anything.

Also - what's the positive test window for whatever everyone on here thinks he takes? EPO?

I fear that the "false positive" rate with our current anti-doping system is too high. Shelby being a potential example. And then letsrun and the world thinks of someone as a doper forever, when in fact they might have forgot to update exactly where they would be a couple of times. These people are traveling the world racing. Very nomadic lifestyle.

he has undergone 120 tests in his career and has never tested positive.

If we account his carrer to 3 or 4 year this make 30 to 40 tests by year.

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Katir turns to the lawyer who saved his enemy Mechaal

Sport has many coincidences and is, at times, very capricious. Thus, while Adel Mechaal celebrated in style the provisional suspension of the license of Mo Katir, his main enemy on the slopes in the last three years, the Muleño athlete hired the services of the Biscayan lawyer Borja Osés, the same one who precisely carried out the defense of Mechaal in 2017 in a case practically identical to the one that now affects the 5,000 meters world runner-up.
In 2016, before the Rio Games, Mechaal, born in Morocco and living in Catalonia since he was 5 years old, was sanctioned for failing to attend three anti-doping controls, as is happening now to the Muleño. Osés later managed to get Mechaal to enjoy two precautionary measures, without being sanctioned, and he was able to participate in the Rio Games thanks to special permission from the Spanish Olympic Committee, since the International Federation had not yet decreed the provisional suspension. He competed in those Games in the 1,500 and 5,000 but didn't even get into the semifinals. He was very far from his marks.

Subsequently, in January 2017, Mechaal was banned for a period of fifteen months. He had to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), which was surprising for its quick resolution, acquitting the athlete, who that same year was able to participate in the World Championships in London. The strategy was to demonstrate that the Adams system (Anti-Doping Administration and Management System) failed and that it generated localization errors. And the truth is that Osés achieved it.
Now, Miguel Ángel Mostaza, Katir's representative, wants to echo that defense. And that is why he has put the case in the hands of Borja Osés, a prestigious lawyer from the Landaberea Unzueta firm. Osés is legal advisor to the Basque Anti-Doping Agency and is also legal advisor to numerous federations and clubs throughout the country.

The challenge is to get, seven years later, the CAS to lift the punishment for Katir, who remembers that he has undergone 120 tests in his career and has never tested positive. Furthermore, he assures that in the third 'no show' he was training near his house, in Mula, and that the application failed, since he was reachable and willing to pass the control.

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Don't be silly, Shelby is ridiculous, her defending argument was torn apart by authorities!

Are you a Kenyan runner by any chance?

Both Turkey and Russia are only partly European countries, and Russia has been banned. How many medals does Turkey win? Spain has been state sponsored doping middle-distance athletes since the 80's. You're truly turning into Rekrunner v.2.0 with your obfuscation and spliiting of irrelevant hairs. I see aside from my comment about Spain, you ignore all my other points.

Why can't you accept that the most obvious of dopers, who 90% here were calling out, who was shunned by just about every of his rivals, and who you defended time and time again, has been suspended? Do you have no humility? Are you able to learn at least something from your mistakes? And this isn't the first time here.

You have now definitively revealed yourself to be a hard-core doping apologist troll, on the same level as the likes of Rekrunner.

There have been some weird coincidences in the running world recently.

The Runner's World editor accused of cheating turning out to be the wife of Sean Ingle.

The mod who deleted the epic Katir is the most obvious cheater thread, turning out to be the wife of the guy of whom Katir said was jealous because his wife found him more handsome.

And of course Katir himself, the most obvious doper of all time, missing three tests. 🙄