Transgender runner wins regionals by over a minute

How do you know this is wrong? What do you know that the scientist does not know? How do you know more than the scientist? Is this just one of those "it's common sense" things like Lenny Leonard says? Is it just that you don't like the possibility that maybe the sudden increase in trans identification after it became "a thing" is explainable in ways other than "oh, there have always been tons of trans kids, we just never realized it before Gen Z came along"?

Yeah, but are they racing each other in a cross country race?

Be who you want, but don't impose on others. This is called common courtesy.

I'd also say as to this part that the concern isn't entirely that "trans people" will attack women in bathrooms, if you actually read what women say, they're mainly afraid that allowing anyone to use either bathroom based on how they feel, and not enforcing single-gender spaces generally, is opening the door to any evil dude to dress up as a woman, access the women's space, and assault them.

As to your question about trans "girls" not growing up to be gay men, do you know anything about people who claim to be trans? They come in a wide variety - some trans "women" are attracted to women (the trans "women" say they are trans lesbians) while others are attracted to men (they say they are "straight trans women.") I'm sure it's the same among trans "men." The studies don't say "ALL trans-identified kids grow up to be gay, non-trans people if left alone," they suggest that at least some kids who are encouraged to transition because they show cross-gender affinities or interests would grow up to be normal gay people if left alone.

Also, it turns out some trans people do hide out in bathrooms and assault people. A Google search for such things first reveals a 2018 study claiming it never happens, followed by articles about sexual assaults committed by Sean Ojeda aka Alicia Gray in 2019, followed by articles about unnamed (under 18) trans assaulters of girls in Edmond, OK and Brevard, FL in 2022 just among the first few hits. I've heard of plenty more over the past few years.

You obviously know nothing about cross country and need to change your handle to dumba$$ old man

Mate, here's the most recent claim of yours that I challenged in your own words:

There is already scientific literature that studied brain anatomy and function of trans people and we already know they are different from cis people. We don't know why it happens, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. It is not about "feelings." - JustAnother Hobby Jogger

So I asked: If that's really true, how come no brain scans are ever done on anyone who's been deemed to be "trans" as little kids aged 2, 3, 4, 5,?

How come none of the adults providing "medical care" to these so-called "trans kids" bothers to do brain scans of them when the kids reach the age of 9, 10, 11 - which is when their doctors, therapists and parents typically say it's time to begin the string of medical interventions that will result in these previously physically healthy ending up as lifelong medical patients with a host of iatrogenic health problems?

Why is no one doing brain scans - or any other tests - on these kids to make sure they really do have "brain anatomy and function" that set them apart and make them "trans" before subjecting these children to chemical castration, sterilization and amputation of healthy body parts?

But instead of answering or even addressing the questions I raised, you post an MSNBC clip featuring Jack Turban, one of the most dishonest and disreputable men in the medical gender vendor business. Yikes.

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Evan Urquhart? Seriously? LOL.OMG. WTF. SMH.

Like I said, you’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

If you think this is fair then you must have no problem at all with the East German women doped to the gills and winning all of the medals in the '70s. They were all women, right? What's a little extra testosterone?

yeah man maybe write to them or something

anyway, found the 2023 regulations for DSD and as Feeling Sad stated, it has been reduced to 2.5nmol/l from 5.0nmol/l which in turn had been reduced from 10.0nmol/l when they first started putting a governor on Semenya a decade or so back

sounds like actual female athletes with T over 2.5nmol/l but with no known DSD have to be evaluated by a specialist and if confirmed no DSD then they need to explain why they think their T is so high, then the WA "expert panel" reviews that and makes a decision, with any benefit of the doubt given to the athlete

world athletics regs

Sorry, I meant to reply to a different comment on page 12. Not sure what happened there.

This just in: some trans people are bad people. 😂 Also, you’ve “heard” of many other instances? Way to keep your ear to the streets, detective!

Just to be clear: World Athletics' DSD regulations - and the 2.5 nmol/L upper limit on natural T levels - do not apply to female athletes with DSDs. These rules apply only to athletes with DSDs competing in the women's category who have male genes, male gonads (testes, not ovaries), male levels of T, working male androgen receptors and have been through male puberty of infancy and adolescence.

When WADA testing finds that an athlete competing in women's events has a T level at or above a certain level - 1.7 nmol/L, I think - the athlete gets called in for further investigation.

The first thing officials do is administer a pregnancy test, since in teenage and adult female people, pregnancy is by far the most common cause of elevated natural T, aka hyperandrogenism.

If a female athlete with T elevated above the normal female range turns out not to be pregnant, and she's not doping, then the cause is mostly likely either PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome) or LOCAH (late-onset congenital adrenal hyerplasia) - both of which commonly develop/start showing symptoms in the late teens and early adult years. She could also have a testosterone-secreting tumor, or classic CAH she's had all her life but for some reason is no longer being well controlled by medication. (When it occurs in females, classic CAH is considered a DSD - but not when it occurs in males.)

But whether a a female athlete has higher than usual T due to pregnancy, PCOS, LOCAH or any other health condition, so long as she is genuinely female and her unusually high T is naturally-occuring, it's fine per WA.

Female athletes with hyperandrogenism due to natural causes do not have to lower their T to compete. There is no upper limit for natural T in genuinely female athletes in elite women's track & field.

The 2.5 nmol/L limit only applies to athletes competing in women's athletics who have certain disorders/differences of male sex development like Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba and Christine Mboma.

ok well sounds like you answered your own question

Transgender runners make womens running interesting. Love it and want to see more of it!

“Woke” started as “being aware of the difficulties and challenges faced by others”. Woke has been evolved, by dickheads on the right, into anything they don’t like (mostly transgender and transgender adjacent). As a lifelong liberal democrat, let me assure you, many of us think transgender people have the right to exist, work, marry, etc(you do you). They do not deserve to compete against their expressed / preferred gender in athletic competition. I’m on the fence about what bathrooms they should use.

"They do not deserve to compete"

I'm going to stop you right there. They do deserve to compete in ANY group that they identify with as a basic part of their HUMANITY.

I love seeing the trans people compete in the women’s races and seeing all the people cry about it.

If women don’t want trans-women to win, they should stop crying, train more and better, and run faster.

ya. she cares about place. it's called competitive running. she's not out there to "find herself".

what a disgrace. this does nothing but hurt the sport of running. total bs.

I don't know anything that scientists don't know. I don't know more than scientists know. The "studies" quoted in that review article have been already debunked by other scientists.

What those "studies" showed was that many "gender nonconforming" or "gender fluid" youths did not become transgender adults. But most of those kids were not transgender to begin with. Most of them did not meet the clinical criteria of having gender dysphoria. So kids who were not trans did not become trans as adults. That says nothing.

Many of those "gender nonconforming" boys liked girly things. That's common among cis boys who turn out to be gay. But that does not mean they are trans.

Just listen to this kid. (Starts around 28:50.)

"If I only cared about being extremely girly, sparkly, and outfits and everything, then I would be a gay man." This is a trans girl, and not a gay boy in disguise.

In 2015 survey, only 19% of trans women identified as "heterosexual." (i.e. only attracted to men.) If trans women are "gay men in disguise" why aren't more of them identify as heterosexual?

en.wikipedia.org

Transgender sexuality

Sexuality in transgender individuals encompasses all the issues of sexuality of other groups, including establishing a sexual identity, learning to deal with one's sexual needs, and finding a partner, but may be complicated b...

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Now you might think why are we seeing more young people identifying as trans. Aren't gay people mistakenly identified as trans? If that is the case, then we must see decrease of young people identifying as gay and lesbians. But the opposite is true.

More millennials identify as gay and lesbian than Gen X, and more Gen Z identify as gay and lesbians than millennials. (And way more bisexuals.) So whatever the reason for the increase of trans people, that's not likely to be because of misidentification of gays and lesbians.

The increase of trans people is probably due to more information. More young people know what "transgender" is from early ages. As is often said, you cannot become what you cannot see.