OK, but they use to have the blocker rule. Is that gone? So, since Oregon st can't get in on it's own then Virginia and Furman jump CBU and CBU is left out?
Old days there was two ways to look at upsets. Either team was pushed in or blocked other teams behind them. Wouldn't be surprised if the committee views it the other way. Since both Virginia and Furman have wins over AQ's. and Oregon St does not. They may get in before CBU is even considered.
Seems to me that if all regions are considered equal the committee should be comparing #3 teams in each regional first, then after a regionals #3 is in, only then #4 is put into the consideration and so on. Therefore CBU is not even considered until Oregon st is in, the old Blocker rule.
What if a team accumulated a lot of points early in the season and then had illness or injuries and finished 6th or 7th in a regional, do they push 3, 4, and 5 in if those teams don't have the points to get in?
Just wondering if anyone else thinks this way?
You can only push one team in.
All regionsare not equal and the points make the regular season mean something.
If Furman would have actually beat someone in the regular season or even someone useful at regionals they'd be in. Maybe they should stop underperforming at every meet (guys coming 8th is a joke) and wasting the resources put into the program. Then you wouldn't have to waste the time doing the mental gymnastics trying to figure out how to get them in nationals so they can come last place again
It is complex but it is not convoluted; do understand the difference? The pursuit of points during the season is the way the non-super teams have to try to get in. That is why the Nuttycomb Invite at Wisconsin is such an important meet, and that is despite the fact that it is the same time as the Pre-Nats. As a companion to that result, many teams try to run against the top teams from weak regions because those top couple of teams are often that good and beating them gets you the crucial points.
This thread has a large number of posters that have really help define how the process works and try to get the information from the Regional races to compare them to teams that have been run earlier to determine if the teams in the races through the season are A teams or B teams (i.e., not having enough of the runners that are on the Regional team.
Exactly. In college XC all that matters are two 10ks in November. Everything else should be treated as workout. But those other “races” are just there appease athletic directors to make them think cross country has a “schedule” like other sports. But it’s not other sports. All that matters is how fast you’re in November. Good coaches understand this.
Really? You read this thread and you came to that flawed conclusion? For the those that are not great teams, the way to the NCAAs is to run well in carefully selected races to get points that get you in if you cannot be in the top two. Look how many Regions only had two qualifying teams - third place teams did not have enough points to get in. In the tough regions (Mountain, Great Lakes, West) the reason that four or more teams get in besides the two automatic berths is because they have been successful during the season.
I was wondering if anyone has an issue with the scheduling of NCAA National Final.
All year at 8K , most teams are on a race 8K, two weeks until next, race 8K..then Conf. 8K, two weeks off until Regions 10K...then "only " 7 days off including kind of far travel for some teams..to race on 11/19..wondered why they just did not extend the rest to two weeks..? Thanksgiving gets in the way, I guess, but maybe that Monday after 11/19?
8 days is joined. They train all year and then the good teams tempo the regional and taper for a week. A few individuals blow up though due to racing all out.
8 days is joined. They train all year and then the good teams tempo the regional and taper for a week. A few individuals blow up though due to racing all out.
8 days is what? "Joined"..what is that. "Gray Hair" got it right of course..I guess I just never saw the need to cut it shorter. And only the teams that are fully loaded usually handle this well. Many have to go all out just to get out of Regionals.
Oregon is going to have top recruits with Schumacher and Flanagan, which is already happening, and so we're going to see a return to the top. Track will still be the priority, but Schumacher at Wisconsin had them on the podium in xc almost every year. They'll have to contend with Gonzaga, which has become a powerhouse under the radar.
1) Gonzaga is not a powerhouse. They are a strong regional program punching way above their weight.
2) Schumacher put Wisconsin on the podium every year with a totally different type of recruit compared to the kids he's going to get at Oregon. Midwest kids vs people who like style over substance, gear, and Ferrari leather seats in the athlete study hall. The latter type of kid is not the type of guy that makes a great cross runner.
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Oregon is going to have top recruits with Schumacher and Flanagan, which is already happening, and so we're going to see a return to the top. Track will still be the priority, but Schumacher at Wisconsin had them on the podium in xc almost every year. They'll have to contend with Gonzaga, which has become a powerhouse under the radar.
1) Gonzaga is not a powerhouse. They are a strong regional program punching way above their weight.
2) Schumacher put Wisconsin on the podium every year with a totally different type of recruit compared to the kids he's going to get at Oregon. Midwest kids vs people who like style over substance, gear, and Ferrari leather seats in the athlete study hall. The latter type of kid is not the type of guy that makes a great cross runner.
2) generalize much? The only difference between what Schumacher had at Wisconsin and what he'll have at Oregon is that he'll now get more athletes with a prominent national profile, but the lower profile athletes who are hungry will still come and I doubt that things like "gear" are the ultimate difference makers.
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Great Lakes
Baidy Ba, Kent State, 7 Gabriel Sanchez, Indiana, 14 CarLee Stimpfel, Michigan St, 19 Aden Smith, Michigan St, 20 Mid-Atlantic Ibrahim Kadir, La Salle, 6 Jack Miller, Pitt, 7 Taonga Mbambo, La Salle, 9 Luke Henseler, Pitt, 13 Midwest Ryan Martins, Loyola-Chicago, 2 Gable Sieperda, Iowa State, 8 Isaac Basten, Drake, 9 Titus Winders, Iowa State, 10 Marquette Hanson, Missouri, 11 Mountain Abdirizak Ibrahim, New Mexico, 18 Victor Kibiego, UTEP, 20 (gotta be in top 25, so Mountain only gets 2, opening up 2 extra at-large slots) Northeast Tyler Berg, Columbia, 3 Perry MacKinnon, Cornell, 4 Marcelo Rocha, Providence, 5 Alexander Korczynski, Northeastern, 7 Lachlan Wellington, Iona, 9 Rhys Hammond, Cornell, 10 South Kirami Yego, South Alabama, 3 Fearghal Curtin, Florida St, 6 Ryan Kinnane, Auburn, 7 Teagan Flanagan, South Alabama, 10 South Central Jonathan Chung, Texas A&M, 6 Dennis Kipngeno, Texas A&M-Corpus, 7 George Wheeler, Lamar, 8 Bradley Makuvire, Tulane, 9 Victor Neiva, North Texas, 10 Southeast Nickolas Scudder, Charlotte, 1 Dylan Schubert, Furman, 4 Antonio Lopez Segura, VT, 5 Zach Kinne, Duke, 9 West Jonathan Shields, Boise State, 10 Vincent Mauri, Arizona State, 11 Jake Ritter, Cal Poly, 12 Nicholas Russell, Santa Clara, 13
Kind of disappointing. South Central At-Large and Northeast At-Large could have at least 9 or 10 of those guys finish out of the top 100, whereas I think at least a few from the Midwest, West, or Southeast had a legitimate shot at being all-American if they were let into the field
Oregon gets top recruits and Wisconsin got top recruits. I assume you're thinking of recruits like Birnbaum, Burns, and Rheinhardt Harrison. Each of those guys is a very good xc runner, and two of them are from the Midwest. Harrison is a freshman at Oregon but didn't do much in xc to my knowledge. However, he set the state records in xc in Florida (a state where Charles Hicks just graduated a few years ago) both in middle school and high school. With the strength program Schumacher will institute, they will be very good in xc in college as well. Just look at Solinsky and Fisher for evidence. Those guys have ability from 1500 through 10000m.
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