Eileen Gu, world’s greatest free skier chooses China over the USA: agreement, outrage, indifference?

AP5000 wrote:

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Those athletes left a country where star athletes are treated like royalty, to join a foreign army. Again, it's classic American exceptionalism to think "US Army > life in any other country I deem a sh$7hole." Americans have no problem accepting stars from other countries to use for their own ideological purposes, and can't fathom why anyone would leave the US to do the same somewhere else.

The life Chinese representation is giving Gu is 100x better than the one Chelimo is getting here. She's just making Chinese people feel better about their country. Chelimo traded citizenship for military service. He might actually be responsible for someone signing up for the army, and getting killed in a stupid war that doesn'rt matter.

"This chick lived like a classic California girl her whole life"

Yeah, can't imagine why that might not be the greatest selling point.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/01/california-hate-crimes-reports-anti-asian

I don't think you realize how many countries are sh*teholes. The majority are. You obviously have never seen them . Yes, being in the US Army is a significantly better life than most people living in most countries have. I'm a veteran and have been all over the world, five different continents, and see some serious sh*teholes...and I haven't even been to Bangladesh or Africa. It's absurd you think this would not be a better life. It's not American exceptionalism, it a fact.

this is exactly it wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

I don't think you realize how many countries are sh*teholes. The majority are. You obviously have never seen them . Yes, being in the US Army is a significantly better life than most people living in most countries have. I'm a veteran and have been all over the world, five different continents, and see some serious sh*teholes...and I haven't even been to Bangladesh or Africa. It's absurd you think this would not be a better life. It's not American exceptionalism, it a fact.

I've lived in third-world countries. You lived in a compound with a gun. you don't have the slightest clue what it's actually like to live there. The worst aspect about any foreign country is the American soliders wandering around expecting to be received as liberators. But I now understand why you think they've got osme magical life. You fell for the sales job they're being exploited to do.

this is exactly it wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

I don't think you realize how many countries are sh*teholes. The majority are. You obviously have never seen them . Yes, being in the US Army is a significantly better life than most people living in most countries have. I'm a veteran and have been all over the world, five different continents, and see some serious sh*teholes...and I haven't even been to Bangladesh or Africa. It's absurd you think this would not be a better life. It's not American exceptionalism, it a fact.

I've lived in third-world countries. You lived in a compound with a gun. you don't have the slightest clue what it's actually like to live there. The worst aspect about any foreign country is the American soliders wandering around expecting to be received as liberators. But I now understand why you think they've got osme magical life. You fell for the sales job they're being exploited to do.

this is exactly it wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Really? Which ones and please explain how those dumps are better than America?

I see you have no problem enjoying using the internet and this US-based website.

Tim Berners-Lee was British. Robert Cailliau was Belgian. CERN was based in Switzerland.

I didn't say the other countries were great. I said you don't have a clue what they're like because you lived a sheltered existence.

Many of them aren't great. But their star athletes are treated like superstars. Cricket stars in India make millions of dollars - US - per year. Which is why the US has built a program that literally gives away citizenship - supposedly the most precious asset in the world - for any elite athlete willing to complete basic training, as long as they agree to being used as a marketing ploy.

Nine weeks. That's how lnog basic training lasts. A foreign star athlete can be granted American citizenship for nothing other than nine weeks of boot camp, and wearing an Army singlet. I don't know any other country that lets someone qualify immediately to represent their national teams with no existing ties to that country in exchange for propaganda.

You tell me which country is desparate to steal foreigners to make their sports programs look good.

this is exactly it wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Really? Which ones and please explain how those dumps are better than America?

I see you have no problem enjoying using the internet and this US-based website.

Tim Berners-Lee was British. Robert Cailliau was Belgian. CERN was based in Switzerland.

I didn't say the other countries were great. I said you don't have a clue what they're like because you lived a sheltered existence.

Many of them aren't great. But their star athletes are treated like superstars. Cricket stars in India make millions of dollars - US - per year. Which is why the US has built a program that literally gives away citizenship - supposedly the most precious asset in the world - for any elite athlete willing to complete basic training, as long as they agree to being used as a marketing ploy.

Nine weeks. That's how lnog basic training lasts. A foreign star athlete can be granted American citizenship for nothing other than nine weeks of boot camp, and wearing an Army singlet. I don't know any other country that lets someone qualify immediately to represent their national teams with no existing ties to that country in exchange for propaganda.

You tell me which country is desparate to steal foreigners to make their sports programs look good.

TrackCoach wrote:

this is exactly it wrote:

Tim Berners-Lee was British. Robert Cailliau was Belgian. CERN was based in Switzerland.

I didn't say the other countries were great. I said you don't have a clue what they're like because you lived a sheltered existence.

Many of them aren't great. But their star athletes are treated like superstars. Cricket stars in India make millions of dollars - US - per year. Which is why the US has built a program that literally gives away citizenship - supposedly the most precious asset in the world - for any elite athlete willing to complete basic training, as long as they agree to being used as a marketing ploy.

Nine weeks. That's how lnog basic training lasts. A foreign star athlete can be granted American citizenship for nothing other than nine weeks of boot camp, and wearing an Army singlet. I don't know any other country that lets someone qualify immediately to represent their national teams with no existing ties to that country in exchange for propaganda.

You tell me which country is desparate to steal foreigners to make their sports programs look good.

Re: "nothing other than nine weeks of boot camp" Wrong, wrong, wrong!

You do not gain citizenship by completing boot camp. First, to join the U.S. military, you have to qualify based on a set of criteria over and above what is required for a someone who is a citizen. You have agree to give you life for this country. You have to complete basic training and then apply citizenship and that process that takes at least a year.

Btw, the process of gaining citizenship through military services exist in many nations around the world and is a tradition that goes back thousands of years.

greg kirby wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Because she came from here. She was born here. That's the entire problem. She's one of us.

Some of my best friends are Korean- and Japanese-Americans. That didn't stop them from childhoods filled with getting called "ch*nks, g**ks," and being told to "go back to China."

We need more people proudly stating what you just stated to balance out the hate, but there simply isn't enough to counteract it.

Asian-Americans being ruthlessly attacked for no reason other than looking vaguely Chinese certainly doesn't help. District attorneys in major, supposedly liberal metropolitan areas outright refusing to do a darn thing about the violence also sends a poor message to Asian-Americans.

Long story short, there are very loud voices at every level of society that send the message of "you don't belong here" to Asian Americans, and not enough supportive voices to drown it out. It's been like that forever. It's no surprise that, slowly but surely, they're becoming fed up. We Americans reap what we sow.

greg kirby wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Because she came from here. She was born here. That's the entire problem. She's one of us.

Some of my best friends are Korean- and Japanese-Americans. That didn't stop them from childhoods filled with getting called "ch*nks, g**ks," and being told to "go back to China."

We need more people proudly stating what you just stated to balance out the hate, but there simply isn't enough to counteract it.

Asian-Americans being ruthlessly attacked for no reason other than looking vaguely Chinese certainly doesn't help. District attorneys in major, supposedly liberal metropolitan areas outright refusing to do a darn thing about the violence also sends a poor message to Asian-Americans.

Long story short, there are very loud voices at every level of society that send the message of "you don't belong here" to Asian Americans, and not enough supportive voices to drown it out. It's been like that forever. It's no surprise that, slowly but surely, they're becoming fed up. We Americans reap what we sow.

Wise Old Man wrote:

greg kirby wrote:

Some of my best friends are Korean- and Japanese-Americans. That didn't stop them from childhoods filled with getting called "ch*nks, g**ks," and being told to "go back to China."

We need more people proudly stating what you just stated to balance out the hate, but there simply isn't enough to counteract it.

Asian-Americans being ruthlessly attacked for no reason other than looking vaguely Chinese certainly doesn't help. District attorneys in major, supposedly liberal metropolitan areas outright refusing to do a darn thing about the violence also sends a poor message to Asian-Americans.

Long story short, there are very loud voices at every level of society that send the message of "you don't belong here" to Asian Americans, and not enough supportive voices to drown it out. It's been like that forever. It's no surprise that, slowly but surely, they're becoming fed up. We Americans reap what we sow.

Greg

Gu has stated over and over that she’s grateful to America, proud to be an American, American when in America, etc. She’s never once stated that her motivation for competing for China has anything to do with American racism. In fact, as we have all agreed, she’s 99.99% still an American citizen.

In fact, as we have all agreed, she’s 99.99% still an American citizen.

AP5000 wrote:

this is exactly it wrote:

Those athletes left a country where star athletes are treated like royalty, to join a foreign army. Again, it's classic American exceptionalism to think "US Army > life in any other country I deem a sh$7hole." Americans have no problem accepting stars from other countries to use for their own ideological purposes, and can't fathom why anyone would leave the US to do the same somewhere else.

The life Chinese representation is giving Gu is 100x better than the one Chelimo is getting here. She's just making Chinese people feel better about their country. Chelimo traded citizenship for military service. He might actually be responsible for someone signing up for the army, and getting killed in a stupid war that doesn'rt matter.

"This chick lived like a classic California girl her whole life"

Yeah, can't imagine why that might not be the greatest selling point.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/01/california-hate-crimes-reports-anti-asian

I don't think you realize how many countries are sh*teholes. The majority are. You obviously have never seen them . Yes, being in the US Army is a significantly better life than most people living in most countries have. I'm a veteran and have been all over the world, five different continents, and see some serious sh*teholes...and I haven't even been to Bangladesh or Africa. It's absurd you think this would not be a better life. It's not American exceptionalism, it a fact.