Ernest wrote:
Sloppy reporting made most everyone jump to the wrong conclusion.
Actually, it was just you and Rojo that jumped to the wrong conclusion because of your woke-mongering. Everyone else in this thread, including me, came to the more rational and sane conclusion that you were mis-quoting him and saying things about him that did not happen.
Crooked Hillary wrote:
Can you really not understand that it’s not that we disagree that our culture needs to be less self-obsessed, but that you dragged a person through the mud in a very public way without knowing all the facts?
That relying on a purported quote from the guy in a newspaper article is NOT sufficient evidence to shame someone on your website?
And even now that we know that you were dead wrong and he’s not some selfish, unsportsmanlike narcissist, you refuse to admit any wrong and refuse to apologize.
Shameful.
Yeah, I pretty much agree.
Nothing from the follow up interview has made the case that Pence wasn't a crappy person in how he reacted to it after the race. But keep flaming rojo if you like.
rojo wrote:
cerealsplits wrote:
If he had said "all's fair..." and "it's a competition," this story wouldn't have pressed so many buttons. But I think saying "It's not my job" really rubs older people, especially, the wrong way. Like no one can extend themselves anymore if it's not written into their job description, if they're not getting paid for it.
But what can you expect out of this gig economy? Everything is a la carte. You get paid for this specific task at the bare minimum that a company can get away with and get no benefits, no extras unless their hand is forced. So every minute you spend doing something extra is exactly that, extra, and some people are not going to do it cause it's just expending energy they can't afford.
This kind of thinking wouldn't dominate if we had more unions. Sure, they get bloated and excessive and make professions soft, but there should be some kind of medium where people have some sense of breathing room that allows them to be a person, not just a job.
Nailed it. You hit on why this bothered m e so much. We are teaching people to just be self obsessed.
I can't believe I'm writing this, but the gig economy and unions have nothing to do with any possible criticism of Pence.
I can't believe THIS. You changed your own subject line to cowardly back away from your original hot take. Typical.
rojo wrote:
Update on 1/20 at 11:13 pm ET: The event happened between 13 and 14 miles. While the race winners said he was about 20 seconds ahead, the race director has pointed out that was 35 seconds behind at the halfway split which is a little more than 180 meters.
Also, the race winner has appeared on a podcast where he said he did say something to the volunteer biker next to him. As a result, I have changed the title of the thread as he did say something so it's not the worse act of sportsmanship. It was initially entitled, "Sportsmanship at its worst: Runner knew marathon leaders were running off course, doesn't say anything & celebrates marathon win."
Him celebrating his great run - to run a 2:15 pb solo is pretty amazing. He should be proud, particularly while coaching.
However, the quote still bothers me. No, it's not his job to do it but there are lots of things that we as a society do to help the world be a better place that we aren't required to do.
I'd love to know the conversation between him and the volunteer on the bike.
Podcast here:
https://omny.fm/shows/the-download-with-dp/the-download-with-dp-emergency-episode-tyler-pence
under a bridge wrote:
Nothing from the follow up interview has made the case that Pence wasn't a crappy person in how he reacted to it after the race. But keep flaming rojo if you like.
I don’t need your permission or approval to speak my mind. You are either deeply disturbed and are projecting onto this guy or you have a personal problem with him. Nothing he did or said deserves what was done to him and the fact tat you can’t see it makes me think you have no integrity.
Running Cult Member wrote:
I can't believe THIS. You changed your own subject line to cowardly back away from your original hot take. Typical.
[quote]rojo wrote:
It's time that Rojo steps down from all positions at Letsrun.
If I was in a marathon, and the leaders got led astray and I ended up winning, I would brag about it for an entire month.
And if someone pointed out they got led astray, I would just laugh, HA HA HA about their tough luck.
Bad Wigins wrote:
If I was in a marathon, and the leaders got led astray and I ended up winning, I would brag about it for an entire month.
And if someone pointed out they got led astray, I would just laugh, HA HA HA about their tough luck.
Yeah this is consistent with you predicting 2600 COVID-19 deaths and then laughing HA HA HA at the tough luck of the 700,000 dead.
Some additional info on this issue:
I ran this race. I signed up a few weeks before race day and downloaded the course. The download I have is the 2019 course which I didn't think much of because often courses stay the same from year to year. This course has a fair amount of path running and some fairly long (I'd say between quarter and half mile sections) with few markings. This was mostly fine but there were a couple times especially on the island where I had a creeping doubt if I was on course. I ran solo with no one in sight in front of or behind me as well for context.
Here is the important part: The course map I have where the leaders did not turn shows NO turn. It is my opinion that one good possibility for the mistake was the cyclist was familiar with the old course.
I would also say this was one of two or three spots where I had to think very quickly to make a correct turn. Even though it was marked, it was a surprise turn for me. This was not because I knew the course very well, but because the course went off the road onto the path.
Hopefully this sheds some additional light on the situation. I think if I would have spent lots of time studying the 2019 map that I am looking at right now pre-race, it's fairly possible I would have kept going straight as well.
Race director is responsible and did not handle it properly. He knew one hour in advance of the finish. He should have greeted the 1st two finishers and explained what happened. He should have given them $3k and $2k and put them in the ceremony. He could have explained it to the paper and made it a good news story. Pence would not have been asked the question if Joe had intercepted the press and explained. Pence would never have been asked those questions had Joe told the press that the 2 had a sizeable lead when his people misled them.
llort_vbo wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
Nothing from the follow up interview has made the case that Pence wasn't a crappy person in how he reacted to it after the race. But keep flaming rojo if you like.
I don’t need your permission or approval to speak my mind. You are either deeply disturbed and are projecting onto this guy or you have a personal problem with him. Nothing he did or said deserves what was done to him and the fact tat you can’t see it makes me think you have no integrity.
The one with no integrity is the subject of the thread.
Noyesmaybe wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
If I was in a marathon, and the leaders got led astray and I ended up winning, I would brag about it for an entire month.
And if someone pointed out they got led astray, I would just laugh, HA HA HA about their tough luck.
Yeah this is consistent with you predicting 2600 COVID-19 deaths and then laughing HA HA HA at the tough luck of the 700,000 dead.
This is consistent with the emotionally disturbed need a life crowd.
You're so beta you're still claiming, albeit falsely, that I was wrong about something over a year ago, like it's an insult - and spamming a completely different topic to do it.
Don't blame me, OP.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Noyesmaybe wrote:
Yeah this is consistent with you predicting 2600 COVID-19 deaths and then laughing HA HA HA at the tough luck of the 700,000 dead.
This is consistent with the emotionally disturbed need a life crowd.
You're so beta you're still claiming, albeit falsely, that I was wrong about something over a year ago, like it's an insult - and spamming a completely different topic to do it.
Don't blame me, OP.
Where is the falsehood? You surely are doing yourself no favors here. Maybe you should just admit that you being wrong likely indirectly caused people to die.
Bad Wigins wrote:
If I was in a marathon, and the leaders got led astray and I ended up winning, I would brag about it for an entire month.
And if someone pointed out they got led astray, I would just laugh, HA HA HA about their tough luck.
Next month, more like bragging about it for the rest of my life. Especially at a marathon of this size.
under a bridge wrote:
llort_vbo wrote:
I don’t need your permission or approval to speak my mind. You are either deeply disturbed and are projecting onto this guy or you have a personal problem with him. Nothing he did or said deserves what was done to him and the fact tat you can’t see it makes me think you have no integrity.
The one with no integrity is the subject of the thread.
Go back under your bridge, lord of the idiots.
A principle that I try to adhere to is give people benefit of doubt, don't easily judge people on very sparse information. Initially you think it's just the winner who's behavior is disturbing. To me there's already scarcity of information to make such judgement. As many had said, it's next to impossible to communicate with someone 100 meters away. Coaches shouting 200m split to athletes is different. It's an pre-arranged commutation. They know what to expect, how it's going to be delivered, and are familiar with the voice. On the course of marathon, how can someone immediately make sense of shouting from a stranger behind them 100 meters away? I once ran a 5k and missed a turn-around cone about 20 meters away from my friends who were volunteering. They couldn't manage to get me back. People need to understand, when running at a little over 5 min mile pace things happens so fast. What the guy said in an interview shouldn't be solely use to judge his character. People are notoriously eye witnesses. Once after the moment, it's hard for them to accurately recount what really happened. So we should rely more on what really could have happened instead of a recount that seems contradict itself (that he made it sound like he could have shout to notify but choose not to, even though the 20 sec distance suggest he couldn't) Now there's a second person dragged into this, the second race official on bike. A rational reaction should be "oh may be there's something to the situation that I'm not aware of caused the official not to be able to save the two race leader's race." Instead of jump to the judgment that "ahah, now there are two human beings whose are infinitely inferior to me in terms of morality and decency". We simply know to little to judge. Being judgmental doesn't make you superior.
rojo wrote:
But having listened to the podcast, everything is a little more disturbing in one key ways. We now know 2 people knew the leaders were running off course and no one did a damn thing about it. So instead of 1 person not doing the right thing - we now have 2. Crazy.
Noyesmaybe wrote:
Well Rojo considering you lean to the right politically and the recent Republican President would cheat at all costs and then you were a Rush Limbaugh fan and Limbaugh supported Trump…I am not sure you should be calling out poor sportsmanship or cheating.
rojo is a registered Democrat. Kudos for calling out one of your own.
QC guy wrote:
Race director is responsible and did not handle it properly. He knew one hour in advance of the finish. He should have greeted the 1st two finishers and explained what happened. He should have given them $3k and $2k and put them in the ceremony. He could have explained it to the paper and made it a good news story. Pence would not have been asked the question if Joe had intercepted the press and explained. Pence would never have been asked those questions had Joe told the press that the 2 had a sizeable lead when his people misled them.
So now we have three people responsible, the race director and two race marshals on bikes, but still Pence is copping heaps.
PS - And just how far was the distance between Pence and the two leaders when they went off course?, seems to be a few distances getting thrown around here, just like the besmirching's of Pence.