"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Killing two birds with one stone.

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1430652245285216258?s=21

Looool. How stupid are you people? Sucking up mountains of stupid covid propaganda

The real tragedy of it is that guy’s ventilator is taking up a wall socket someone could be using to charge their phone.

4523 wrote:

Walter L. wrote:

Lol. The irony

LMAO +1

Do you guys know any basic biology? Can you describe the central dogma in a few sentences? I doubt it.

You all operate from such a wildly different set of assumptions because you don't have the bare minimum knowledge to reason with new data.

Dunning-Kruger has failed to replicate, but this really seems to be a case of "too uninformed to know you're uninformed." You all have zero basic biological knowledge, of, if you do, you are not applying it/letting it be superseded by dogma and strongly motivated reasoning.

The Unkle wrote:

A pandemic of the fear mongers is more like it.

Of the vaccine pushers.

Based on one tweet that is oddly interpreted by resident shill Harambe

"Peak Delta viral RNA in infected vax and unvaxxed were similar." This he interprets as "the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed". What?

Or "Some evidence of declining immunity". Same conclusion by him. Same WTF by me.

Not sure what 86% protection from Delta infections CT < 30 even means. A claim of 86% efficacy for under age 30? Not sure why this would result in such a conclusion.

It just beggars belief that there are those that steadfastly refuse to take the vaccination, for whatever reason. Many think they know better than the medical experts who work with the Govt.

I just shake my head.

Karma Police wrote:

I just shake my head.

Keep shaking it. Natural immunity is stronger & more robust than the waning, transient immunity provided by the mRNA vaccines.

Man Overboard wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

I just shake my head.

Keep shaking it. Natural immunity is stronger & more robust than the waning, transient immunity provided by the mRNA vaccines.

There is no evidence that immunity against severe disease is waning in vaccinated individuals. I understand you want the vaccines to fail, but you should google "memory B and T cells" and do a little reading on how these are different from circulating antibodies. Cheers.

Harambe wrote:

Man Overboard wrote:

Keep shaking it. Natural immunity is stronger & more robust than the waning, transient immunity provided by the mRNA vaccines.

There is no evidence that immunity against severe disease is waning in vaccinated individuals. I understand you want the vaccines to fail, but you should google "memory B and T cells" and do a little reading on how these are different from circulating antibodies. Cheers.

"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. "

What? Google is your your source? Are you reading the Times again? CNN? No, you are wrong, natural immunity is far better. Telling people you googled and debunked a published study is not really a good way to go about things. How is that Doggie coin doing these days?

Lead Foil Hat XXVII wrote:

"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. "

What? Google is your your source? Are you reading the Times again? CNN? No, you are wrong, natural immunity is far better. Telling people you googled and debunked a published study is not really a good way to go about things. How is that Doggie coin doing these days?

That study does not say the immunity from vaccination against severe disease wanes to an appreciable degree. Merely that infection-driven immunity appears stronger (although there are conflicting studies). I have agreed for a long that people recovered from COVID should be considered immune (but this study does also highlight the exceptions immunity you get from COVID + 1 does of vax, which may prompt authorities to mandate one shot for recovered folks).

Yes, it destroys your immune system, especially for someone in your age bracket. You just want to deny the reports from REAL Doctors because you are crapping your pants right now, hence your incessant drive to post over and over and over and over and over and over and over as who are you really trying to convince? We all know the answer to that and in the next 1-3 years, you won't be posting on here as you'll be ashamed of what it has unfortunately done to your body and life. I sincerely wish you well health wise as it's surely not going to be pretty. Best of luck!

Dude, better.....hospitalization, symptomatic disease.....it is known that the mRNA protection against everything wanes; this is admitted by the basic data provided by Pfizer and Moderna; "severe" disease seems to be a sliding scale for you. Either way your claim that there is no proof that natural immunity is better (stronger and longer lasting) is incorrect. Sorry bro, you are wrong and just twisting words to make it seem like you meant something else and are still somehow right. Stop yourself, we all agree that the vulnerable populations should consider this vax; that is where this argument should stop. I know you and your employers will bank more if every one is forced, every child is forced, and we eventually work to an annual booster mandate; but, you will still be wrong no matter how well you think you have lawyered the wording and if something goes wrong.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

The real tragedy of it is that guy’s ventilator is taking up a wall socket someone could be using to charge their phone.

Great. I LOLed. And now I'm going to Hell.

Thanks so much.

Crotty Who? wrote:

Yes, it destroys your immune system, especially for someone in your age bracket. You just want to deny the reports from REAL Doctors because you are crapping your pants right now, hence your incessant drive to post over and over and over and over and over and over and over as who are you really trying to convince? We all know the answer to that and in the next 1-3 years, you won't be posting on here as you'll be ashamed of what it has unfortunately done to your body and life. I sincerely wish you well health wise as it's surely not going to be pretty. Best of luck!

wait... what the HELL are you talking about? Please provide evidence for your assbogus facebook/youtube claim that the vaccine "destroys your immune system."

Absolute CLOWN TOWN on these boards lately... Literally the dumbest, most gullible people in our society, swirling the drain here. White middle aged men, who probably eschewed social media 10 years ago, but are now hooked, duped and sheepeled by any bogus theory or hot take someone trots out.

Crotty Who? wrote:

Yes, it destroys your immune system, especially for someone in your age bracket. You just want to deny the reports from REAL Doctors because you are crapping your pants right now, hence your incessant drive to post over and over and over and over and over and over and over as who are you really trying to convince? We all know the answer to that and in the next 1-3 years, you won't be posting on here as you'll be ashamed of what it has unfortunately done to your body and life. I sincerely wish you well health wise as it's surely not going to be pretty. Best of luck!

I welcome nuanced takes on the effectiveness of the vaccine. I enjoy discussion!

"Destroys your immune system" is hilariously wrong, unsupported, and wishful thinking by the denier fearmongers.

Evidence of waning efficacy is confounded by variant! Circulating Abs provide the main defense against infection so a variant that infects ~1000-5000X as fast is going to overcome that much faster. You know this I think...

I am of course willing to debate the relative efficacy of infection vs. vaccination but you are saying things that are not true.

1) There is no evidence that the vaccine wanes in a significant way against severe disease yet.

2) The paper reports waning of natural immunity as well! This is unsurprising given what we know about how circulating antibodies work.

3) The paper finds that vaccination after infection given excellent immunity, matching previous reports, and seemingly much better than infection alone.

4) The vaccine-only group was still VERY protected in this study! The vaccine works great!

I find the odds rations surprisingly large in the paper and suspect there may be some confounders or issues caused during matching. But there's nothing glaringly wrong with the paper.

For the record... I have long walked back my "vaccines are better than infection" take based on newer data that showed more similar immune responses and real world data between the two. They seem quite comparable to me before this study. Perhaps wider variance in infection-driven immunity. See figure 2 here:

Did you see the recent paper showing that memory B cells -increase- over time in vaccinated individuals? So much for waning :)

Fair take. I respect that you changed your mind as new data comes in.

I will add that lest anyone think getting COVID is a good alternative to vaccination... a big new report of the relative risks between the Pfizer vaccine and COVID infection:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475?query=featured_home

Note: myocarditis is more common after infection than vaccination. Basically everything is more likely after infection.

See figure 3 and 4 for relative and absolute risks. None of this is surprising but good to see it quantified.

Delta variant drives vaccinations

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/26/us/vaccination-increase-covid-delta.html