Select BTC Runners Chasing 10k Standards @ The TEN (2/20) - Official Discussion Thread

kiowavt wrote:

jamin wrote:

Yea, respectable times, but still a full minute slower than Joshua Cheptegei ran this year

Most of the world is a full minute slower! And this was just paced to qualify, not to max out. But yes, somehow world records are quite fast. Imagine.

Give Fisher whatever Cheptegei is using and he's going 25:56

red5 wrote:

Mennonite wrote:

Wow Tuntivate, W.T.F!!!!

That is legitimately shocking. I asked how he got on the team earlier in the thread, good for him. How many other 28:40 college guys could do that if they could train Bowerman style?

Also, Ches needs to get a real coach. His pro career vs. college is an embarrassment. And it’s not like he looked maxed out in college. Get on board with an actual team with an actual coach.

Cough cough doping cough cough

Dumb@ss. That’s all you’ve got?

Eat, live, and breathe hard training at altitude for months on end, and see what happens.

My gut feeling is that you’re likely soft, semi committed, and probably throw in the towel when the tough periods come. If you saw how these athletes trained and lived, your eyes would be opened. Just maybe, you might even be inspired.

Dairyland wrote:

Good to see US runners finally putting up respectable 10k times...Rupp’s 26:44 was a loooonnng time ago

Agreed!

Really glad to see Kincaid throw down a great time after that rough 3000m the other week. I was afraid he'd only have that 12:58 5k to his name, but it looks like he might end up able to go under 27 over the summer if things go well.

Awesome to see Scott showing dominance within what's probably the US's best distance group, winning that 3k and now this 10k. With a 57 last lap and leading for the last 2k, he might already be in shape for sub 27. I think it's pretty likely that barring some injury, he'll be at least the 5k or 10k Olympic team, and quite possibly both.

And to Fisher, I don't think the US has had someone this young be so good since Rupp or Solinsky. At least at the 10k. A year out of college and already threatening 27! Only 23(?) and running a 27:11 with a 57 second last lap!! Given the depth at 5k, I think he's more likely to make the 10k team this summer if I were betting on it. Someone said in another thread that Fisher shouldn't try to run the 10k at the trials, but after this run I think he may have a better shot at it.

And shoutout to Ben True for showing he's still got it with a huge 10k PR! I didn't think he'd be in that kind of shape but a 27:14 puts him way high on the all time US leaderboard and a favorite for an Olympic spot. These are super exciting times :)

What is there now? 9 or 10 people with the Olympic standard in the US? Have we ever had that many people in the 10k with the standard?

Rocket Mann wrote:

Really glad to see Kincaid throw down a great time after that rough 3000m the other week. I was afraid he'd only have that 12:58 5k to his name, but it looks like he might end up able to go under 27 over the summer if things go well.

Best case scenario, Kincaid runs two more tens this summer - Trials and Games. Neither of which will be <27:00 type races (maybe for the winners, but not for old Woodrow). He may be in 26:59 shape, but will likely not do it.

It's really disturbing how little people understand the sport.

Got a feeling Fisher will be throwing down a sub 13 this year.

fasterfasterer wrote:

Got a feeling Fisher will be throwing down a sub 13 this year.

Same. I think that 13:11 in the summer was fairly conservative.

you gotta feel bad for jenkins who will get smacked by BTC on whatever distance he chooses

Good post. Just great showings from all the finishers in the men’s race tonight (and credit to the women, in general, for all finishing unlike the men).

BTC has some tough decisions to make going into the trials.

I’d say put Fisher and McGorty in the 5k, Lomong and Kincaid in the 10k. Jager in the steeple of course, and Centro in the 1500.

On the women’s side, Cranny can now be the favorite for the 10k at the trials. Put Infeld and Hall in the 10k too, and keep Schweizer in the 5k (with Houlihan). Houlihan can double at USAs (with Sinclaire Johnson in the 15), and decide what her plan is from there.

free shipping with purchases wrote:

Best case scenario, Kincaid runs two more tens this summer - Trials and Games. Neither of which will be <27:00 type races (maybe for the winners, but not for old Woodrow). He may be in 26:59 shape, but will likely not do it.

It's really disturbing how little people understand the sport.

That was kinda unnecessary :/

I think it's fine for me to be optimistic that BTC gets in another fast 10k before summer ends (even if it's after the Olympics) to try to get in a fast PR with their fitness, even if it's not something Jerry regularly has them do.

And with the time he just put down, it's not crazy to assume he might be a winner of the trials. The 12:58 5k and 27:12 10k combo is better than anyone in the US save Lopez Lomong since the last Olympics.

another badger miler wrote:

red5 wrote:

Cough cough doping cough cough

Dumb@ss. That’s all you’ve got?

Eat, live, and breathe hard training at altitude for months on end, and see what happens.

My gut feeling is that you’re likely soft, semi committed, and probably throw in the towel when the tough periods come. If you saw how these athletes trained and lived, your eyes would be opened. Just maybe, you might even be inspired.

It’s common sense man. There is NO WAY that a bunch of athletes from the same team ALL have such ridiculous performances. Elise Cranny was never healthy at Stanford. US number 3. Tuntivate literally just pr’d by a minute and a half. Look at Fischer. Look at Ahmed. LOOK AT THE ENTIRE TEAM. THIS DOESNT HAPPEN NATURALLY.

You are an idiot. Go shut your clam.

These BTC athletes are continuously tested.

I was glad to see Fisher finally run a 10k on the track. Not really surprised he ran as fast as he did. Last summer that 13:11 with negative split racing I figured he would be between 27:15 to 27:20. Great race he just needs to work on that last 200m don’t get me wrong he is fast but he needs that fo fast on a dime closing last 200m speed to be in the hunt in championship races

In response to the idiot with the doping claims take Grant Fisher for example. In High School was mainly focused on soccer until his Junior and Senior years. Ran 4:30 and 9:40 at states as a freshman. He was a part time runner then. Fast forward senior year 3:59 mile 8:43 2 mile. College freshman 13:30 for 5000m. Raced well in college but remember he went to Stanford. School and running both very intense. Now he is 16 months into being a pro he can focus 100 percent on being a professional under a great coach in Jerry Schumacher. Trust me the training they do, nutrition, strength training, form drills etc etc he puts in the work. Plus they have a big group 12:47 Mo Ahmed and all the others not like he had a lack of training partners. I think his best chance of making the team is the 10 and I think Jerry is smart he wants to get as many of his runners under the standards

Rocket Mann wrote:

I think it's fine for me to be optimistic that BTC gets in another fast 10k before summer ends (even if it's after the Olympics) to try to get in a fast PR with their fitness, even if it's not something Jerry regularly has them do.

No it's not. Sorry to break it to you. It's not something Jerry/BTC (or most runners these days) would even remotely contemplate doing.

1 Elise Cranny Nike Bowerman Track Club 30:47.42 OLYUSA

2 Karissa Schweizer Nike Bowerman Track Club 30:47.99 OLYUSA

3 Eilish McColgan Asics 30:58.94 OLYUSA

4 Emily Infeld Nike Bowerman Track Club 31:08.57 OLYUSA

5 Marielle Hall Nike Bowerman Track Club 31:21.78 OLYUSA

6 Kim Conley New Balance 31:40.25 USA

7 Gwen Jorgensen Nike Bowerman Track Club 32:39.96

DNF Vanessa Fraser Nike Bowerman Track Club

DNF Courtney Frerichs Nike Bowerman Track Club

1 Marc Scott Nike Bowerman Track Club 27:10.41 OLYUSA

2 Grant Fisher Nike Bowerman Track Club 27:11.29 OLYUSA

3 Woody Kincaid Nike Bowerman Track Club 27:12.78 OLYUSA

4 Ben True Unattached 27:14.95 OLYUSA

5 Kieran Tuntivate Nike Bowerman Track Club 27:17.14 OLYUSA

DNF Evan Jager Nike Bowerman Track Club

DNF Sean McGorty Nike Bowerman Track Club

DNF Chris Derrick Nike Bowerman Track Club

DNF Edward Cheserek Skechers

DNF Reid Buchanan On Running Mammoth Track Club

https://finishedresults.trackscoreboard.com/meets/9695/events/2/Final

And, in a couple months, Vanessa Fraser will be back to peak fitness and ready to run her 10k & 5k prs.

Very much hope the Stanford Invite & Payton Jordan meets are held - traditionally the best 10ks of the year in the US w/ PJ 10k arguably the best invite 10k in the world.

For everyone going nuts over Cranny: hold your fire on her running the 10k at the Trials. She said herself in her pre-race IG post & post-race interview she still loves the 1500 & considers it her favorite event.

Coming off fall training & now 7 weeks of altitude camp, you would expect that most everyone on BTC would be best trained at this moment for the 10k. After a month or so of spring training in Portland which will get them all a bit more race-sharp for their specific events, look for Cranny to clobber her 4:05/1500 pr.

Then, she & Jerry will have the tough decisions to make for Eugene.

BTW, as best as I can recall (anyone correct me if I'm missing someone), two BTC runners now have met the Oly standards in three events:

Mo Ahmed: 3:34/12:47/26:58

Karissa Schweizer: 4:00/14:26/30:47

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red5 wrote:

another badger miler wrote:

Dumb@ss. That’s all you’ve got?

Eat, live, and breathe hard training at altitude for months on end, and see what happens.

My gut feeling is that you’re likely soft, semi committed, and probably throw in the towel when the tough periods come. If you saw how these athletes trained and lived, your eyes would be opened. Just maybe, you might even be inspired.

It’s common sense man. There is NO WAY that a bunch of athletes from the same team ALL have such ridiculous performances. Elise Cranny was never healthy at Stanford. US number 3. Tuntivate literally just pr’d by a minute and a half. Look at Fischer. Look at Ahmed. LOOK AT THE ENTIRE TEAM. THIS DOESNT HAPPEN NATURALLY.

“Common sense?” And what’s your experience with the sporty the elite international level?

And how well do you know the athletes you’re accusing?

Both answers are the same: zippo

badger miler wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

What part of Kincaid's 3000m in AZ makes you think he can run extremely low 27/sub 27?

Seeing them training the last month in Flag/Sedona. Kincaid is better the further he goes. I think we’re in for some shocking performances.

Seasoned Ranker: are your there?