Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

ex-runner wrote:

It looks like he has reached a bit of a plateau

No, it looks like he is improving steadily year by year. His recent 4:50 2K is underestimated by many. A mile split of 3:55.5 and then go 54 the last lap solo is simply amazing. In recent interviews he says training has gone well since last season and hints that training measurements are showing better results than ever.

ex-runner wrote:

I think looking at his brothers progression we might understand how things may pan out for Jakob.

Henrik ran 3:44 at 18, 3:38 at 19, improved that to 3:33.9 by 22 and at 23 ran 3:31.46 which is still his PB.

Filip ran 3;44 at 19, 3:38 at 20, then 3:32 at 23 and then took that down to 3:30 at 25 which remains his PB.

Jakob ran 3:42 at 15, 3:39 at 16, then improved to 3:31 at 17, and then 3:30.1 at 18

Henrik has been ridden with injuries for years. Henrik continues to set new PBs in longer distances as he cannot due to injuries and pain run the shorter distances. Henrik said in an interview post race monday that he could see himself run 13:05+ later this season. Filip has suffered from allergies that have impacted season preps over the years.

Coevett wrote:

Nearly everybody here still claims Jakob"s 1;49 he ran on tired legs at 16 was close to his lifetime max.

Notice the lie.

Halvard wrote:

"I used to like you, but you just proved you're the dumbest person to ever live. Even a 3 yo would understand what he's trying to say"

---------------

objective observer writes:

What is wrong with you Halvard?

Alfred stated:

" People who set very fast times as teenagers usually don't improve a lot in their twenties.

It's a cold, hard fact."

Do you support that postulate Halvard?

If not, why are you blaming me for arguing against it ?

I believe that you are Norwegian or from another Nordic country so I will write you something in "Scandinavian":

Jeg gav ham bare "råt for usødet" eller "jeg gav ham tilbage med samme mønt".

I gave Alfred the names of a number of teen stars who improved significantly into their twenties and challenged him to prove me wrong. He has not answered yet!

objectiveobserver wrote:

Halvard wrote:

"I used to like you, but you just proved you're the dumbest person to ever live. Even a 3 yo would understand what he's trying to say"

---------------

objective observer writes:

What is wrong with you Halvard?

Alfred stated:

" People who set very fast times as teenagers usually don't improve a lot in their twenties.

It's a cold, hard fact."

Do you support that postulate Halvard?

If not, why are you blaming me for arguing against it ?

I believe that you are Norwegian or from another Nordic country so I will write you something in "Scandinavian":

Jeg gav ham bare "råt for usødet" eller "jeg gav ham tilbage med samme mønt".

I gave Alfred the names of a number of teen stars who improved significantly into their twenties and challenged him to prove me wrong. He has not answered yet!

Stop lying. That poster wrote his comments regarding MY post saying Jakob is unlikely to get the opportunity to run a fast 800m in his career (under 1:45.5)

Try again Coevett

I clearly wrote "it looks like he reached a bit of a plateau, but I'd expect him to improve by 1-2 seconds a year and peak at 21-22"

22 years - 19 years = 3 years

3 x 2 seconds = 6 seconds

3:30 - 6 seconds = 3:24.

Okay then... fair enough

It's funny how many people are comparing a season opener in OK conditions, in a local meet, during a forced "off" year, to all-time bests performed at the peak in good racing conditions...

From where I seat I see a 3:30/13:02 guy running 1:46, 6 weeks out the first big meeting (Monaco), so probably in the middle of all the hard specific work.

I'm sure he will be just fine.

I think it is more :

22- 18= 4 years.

His 19 years old season is just starting and his PB was set at 18!

Semiler wrote:

22 years - 19 years = 3 years

3 x 2 seconds = 6 seconds

3:30 - 6 seconds = 3:24.

Okay then... fair enough

Well I was thinking more peak at 21 with a ~3:28 time. I see him going faster than Willis.

But if Jakob wants to run 3:28 or faster he needs more speed. Simple as that.

Kejelcha has run 3:47.0 for the mile indoors. That is a 3:30 performance. Indoors by himself not paced at a diamond league finishing second or third.

And he has run a low 12:40s 5k. I don't see how Jakob ever beats him in a race over 5k, or 1500 to be honest.

y'all need to chill wrote:

It's funny how many people are comparing a season opener in OK conditions, in a local meet, during a forced "off" year, to all-time bests performed at the peak in good racing conditions...

From where I seat I see a 3:30/13:02 guy running 1:46, 6 weeks out the first big meeting (Monaco), so probably in the middle of all the hard specific work.

I'm sure he will be just fine.

He ran a 5k on road end of may, then a 2000m on June 12th, then a 800m on the 30th. How is the 800 a season opener? Besides, conditions for the 2k and 800 were almost perfect (pacing, weather etc)

He must be close to season peak since OG were planned for end of july and the whole season training was made for this event.

He can probably still improve a little bit in the next few week but i dont see him break 3'29 nor 1'45 this year. I guess 3'29 high is likely and 1'45 high if he does run another 800.

Semiler wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

It looks like he has reached a bit of a plateau

No, it looks like he is improving steadily year by year. His recent 4:50 2K is underestimated by many. A mile split of 3:55.5 and then go 54 the last lap solo is simply amazing. In recent interviews he says training has gone well since last season and hints that training measurements are showing better results than ever.

You dont see that he improved only by 1sec from 17 to 18yo?

His 2000m is worth 3'30-3'1 which is good but does not indicate a significant improvment.

Maybe he will break 3'30 this year but not by far.

So yes he is plateauing

ER (3'28'81) looks like a good lifetime goal for him and he will have trouble beating it. But with so many years to come, i guess he will find a very fast race at least once to make it.

Ex-runner wrote

Kejelcha has run 3:47.0 for the mile indoors. That is a 3:30 performance. Indoors by himself not paced at a diamond league finishing second or third.

And he has run a low 12:40s 5k. I don't see how Jakob ever beats him in a race over 5k, or 1500 to be honest.

------------------

Are you aware that Kejelcha and Jakob met in the Bowerman mile 2019?

And do you know who came in first of the two?

Impala31 wrote:

He ran a 5k on road end of may, then a 2000m on June 12th, then a 800m on the 30th. How is the 800 a season opener? Besides, conditions for the 2k and 800 were almost perfect (pacing, weather etc)

He must be close to season peak since OG were planned for end of july and the whole season training was made for this event.

He can probably still improve a little bit in the next few week but i dont see him break 3'29 nor 1'45 this year. I guess 3'29 high is likely and 1'45 high if he does run another 800.

-------------

What a biased post!

Do you really think a road race and a 2000m team run have any impact on his season opener in the 800m?

And training for the OG!? The OG was postponed months ago so of course the team has stopped to train for that.

And more: You normally don´t hit your SB in the 800m before you are month inside the high season.

I will transfer some information I gave in another post:

Brazier season opened the 800m in DL Doha 2019 in 1;44.70. At the WC final he ran 1:42.34

Lewandowski opened the 2019 season with 1:46.79 and ran about 1:43.50 in DL London.

Tuka opened in 1:46.68 and ran 1:43.47 in the WC final in Doha.

Hayduke wrote:

The speed needed to win a championship 1500 is the same speed need to win a championship 5-10k.

It depends on the race and how it develops. If there are high speed contenders participating then the best runner may choose to open fast like Tim in Doha. But you will not have 800m guys in 5k finals of championships.

letsdrum wrote:

slowwer wrote:

# of Ovett's 800m per season:

1976: 16

Unfortunately Coevett will not reply to this.

slowwer wrote:

Unfortunately Coevett will not reply to this.

Probably because the mods will delete my post and keep all the ones up attacking me. You know how it works here.

Aouita's races were all on the European circuit (aside from Seoul), and he ALWAYS ran 100% max (he said himself in an interview). Coe and the other Brits were loyal to their clubs and would turn out for early season fixtures which were just training runs. The point is, for that year (88) Aouita was an 800m runner arguably more than the Brits were at there for any one season (except Coe in 78 and maybe 78). He also had six or seven attempts at a really fast 800m time and the best he could do was just break 1:44.

Coe's first 800m in 1980 : ENG v. BEL v. SCO v. SWE / Philips Night of Athletics (1:47)

His second : CAU (Inter-Counties) Championships/h (1:48)

His third : CAU (Inter-Counties) Championships (1:45)

His fourth and first real race : International Torino (1:45)

His fifth : Loughborough v. AAA (1:44)

His sixth : North of England AAA Championships/h (1:52)

His seventh : North of England AAA Championships (1:44)

Not sure if Aouita raced in the East of Casablanca 800m championships in 88, and if he did, likely doesn't show up in his World Athletics profile, which is were I got the info from. You, like me, got the other's results I assume from Said88's website (and he still hasn't posted Aouita's full year by year results there - wonder why?).

Coevett wrote:

slowwer wrote:

Unfortunately Coevett will not reply to this.

Aouita's races were all on the European circuit (aside from Seoul), and he ALWAYS ran 100% max (he said himself in an interview).

8 races - 4 from Seoul: This gives you 4 races on the European circuit - I don't know what could be a problem with this number. He probably gave always 100%, as that's what world class athletes usually are doing. None of this races was a time trial effort (like Ingebrigtsen the last week). He was always running close to the end of the pack (not surprising for an 5000m runner) and started to go to the front on the second lap, always have to go wide in the bends. He has won those 4 races against sub 1:43 runners and global medalists like Cruz, Koskei, Gray, Elliott, Barbosa.

the beagle wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Nearly everybody here still claims Jakob"s 1;49 he ran on tired legs at 16 was close to his lifetime max.

Notice the lie.

'LateRunnerPhil' literally does on the first page of this thread

Anyway, watching the race again and I think it's clear Jakob was simply making sure he beat his brother - who remember ran 2:16 for 1000m in a time trial just the other week (the 34th fastest in the European all-time list). It's clear that Jakob could easily break 1:45 in a better race later in the season.

Coevett wrote:

It's clear that Jakob could easily break 1:45 in a better race later in the season.

No, that's not clear at all. It was a great effort for him and he was very pleased with it. He was paced the whole race. If he does the 800m a few times - which he probably will not do - he might break 1:46. Very unlikely he will come close to sub 1:45.