Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

foo wrote:

Swamp Monster Guiliani wrote:

Guiliani says Trump is a LIAR, on Fox News! Claims Trump did pay Cohen $130k to silence Stormy Daniels. Too bad David Dennison refused to sign the NDA.

Giuliani said President Donald Trump had repaid his lawyer Michael Cohen for a $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election.

So, Trump is no admitting he lied about bribing a porn star so she would not reveal that they had sex while his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child from 3 different mothers.

I haven’t gone to church regularly since I was 15, but Christians must have become a lot less judgmental in the past 40 years. Back in the day, Trump would have been condemned to holy hell and expelled from the community for much less than that.

As a trans Christian and trans politician Trump deserves a little break here. He talks about Christian values and talks about honesty and getting things done, but he can’t really be expected to perform accordingly. Give him a break!

Jackie's hubby played the field... wrote:

foo wrote:

So, Trump is no admitting he lied about bribing a porn star so she would not reveal that they had sex while his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child from 3 different mothers.

I haven’t gone to church regularly since I was 15, but Christians must have become a lot less judgmental in the past 40 years. Back in the day, Trump would have been condemned to holy hell and expelled from the community for much less than that.

Well, JFK certainly got away with bedding hundreds of women during his marriage back in the day. He wasn't condemned to holy hell.

He was by fundamentalist christians. But their current hypocrisy isn't the real point -not for me - though it hpould be for them. And it isn't that Trump cheated on his wife. Not being a fundamental hypocrite, I could not care less about that (or JFK or Clinton). It is the bribery, campaign finance violations, and repeated lies to coverup it all that is the issue. Well, one of many legal issues with Trump, but an important one.

foo wrote:

Swamp Monster Guiliani wrote:

Guiliani says Trump is a LIAR, on Fox News! Claims Trump did pay Cohen $130k to silence Stormy Daniels. Too bad David Dennison refused to sign the NDA.

Giuliani said President Donald Trump had repaid his lawyer Michael Cohen for a $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election.

So, Trump is no admitting he lied about bribing a porn star so she would not reveal that they had sex while his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child from 3 different mothers.

I haven’t gone to church regularly since I was 15, but Christians must have become a lot less judgmental in the past 40 years. Back in the day, Trump would have been condemned to holy hell and expelled from the community for much less than that.

Can you imagine if a black President had this history!? Lying, pornstars, three wives, 5 children, grabbing pu$$, multiple other allegations. Can you only imagine what the Evangelicals would say? What a bunch of complete hypocrites.

I guess like every population there is a bell curve, and Trump has captured 80+ percent of the left side.

sjrsr6 wrote:

Oops that birthday wrote:

Well, Trump is obviously on the outs with Melania. "Forgetting" to get a wife birthday is a big sign of trouble in a relationship.

Did you catch that video of his trying to hold her hand? She'd have none of it.

Plus his hand is actually smaller than hers! I had thought that whole thing was just BS!

Saw this on twitter today .

My guess is Melania will have an easier time finding a reputable lawyer than her husband has.

XY wrote:

foo wrote:

So, Trump is no admitting he lied about bribing a porn star so she would not reveal that they had sex while his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child from 3 different mothers.

I haven’t gone to church regularly since I was 15, but Christians must have become a lot less judgmental in the past 40 years. Back in the day, Trump would have been condemned to holy hell and expelled from the community for much less than that.

Can you imagine if a black President had this history!? Lying, pornstars, three wives, 5 children, grabbing pu$$, multiple other allegations. Can you only imagine what the Evangelicals would say? What a bunch of complete hypocrites.

I guess like every population there is a bell curve, and Trump has captured 80+ percent of the left side.

He falls right at the edge as far as standard deviations from the mean

la gente ésta muy loca wrote:

sjrsr6 wrote:

Did you catch that video of his trying to hold her hand? She'd have none of it.

Plus his hand is actually smaller than hers! I had thought that whole thing was just BS!

Saw this on twitter today .

My guess is Melania will have an easier time finding a reputable lawyer than her husband has.

https://twitter.com/IvanTheK/status/992017518893174785

A divorce would end Trump without a doubt. Not because of the infidelity, but because it would involve discovery regarding his net worth. On that note, for her sake I hope she signed a prenup.

XY wrote:

foo wrote:

So, Trump is no admitting he lied about bribing a porn star so she would not reveal that they had sex while his third wife was pregnant with his fifth child from 3 different mothers.

I haven’t gone to church regularly since I was 15, but Christians must have become a lot less judgmental in the past 40 years. Back in the day, Trump would have been condemned to holy hell and expelled from the community for much less than that.

Can you imagine if a black President had this history!? Lying, pornstars, three wives, 5 children, grabbing pu$$, multiple other allegations. Can you only imagine what the Evangelicals would say? What a bunch of complete hypocrites.

I guess like every population there is a bell curve, and Trump has captured 80+ percent of the left side.

Obama was a clean as could be, yet the right immediately mounted a vicious and lasting attack that quick tilted racist. They threw everything they had a him. Yes, imagine if he was just 10% like Trump...

If you want the clown to be done then Mueller better hurry. Time is running out and there's legitimate constitutional questions that may need to go to the supreme court if it even gets as far as you want it to. At this point, all Trump's team has to do is stall, wait for Mueller to come too late, and then drop out of the 2020 race because "Democrats are just too mean." If he makes it to Inauguration Day 2021 then......

Yes it's a matter of law and order and I agree it's critical to the nation. But, politically speaking, the Democrats might need to start thinking about moving on I think. Then again, the American public has an unparalleled capacity to forget and be irrational so it's tough to say if any lessons will be learned regardless of the outcome. Very frustrating times we live in.

ktekk wrote:

ktekk wrote:

Oh, the irony.

But us Liberals do that, so who are we to talk? Hypocrites and no better than the right.

Handle theft? Seriously?

Anyway, the way you know this is an impostor is by his/her saying "us Liberals do that"--an educated person like me knows that it should be "we Liberals do that." (However, I personally have never cast a vote on the Democratic line.)

Racket wrote:

If you want the clown to be done then Mueller better hurry. Time is running out.

I don't have a position on this whole investigation, one way or the other, but have to make a correction here: Recent history tells us that time is NOT running out.

"January 1994

"Attorney General Janet Reno appoints Robert Fiske Jr. as the independent counsel in charge of investigating financial irregularities in the dealings of the Whitewater property company. The Clintons, and their business partners, James and Susan McDougal, are implicated.

"August 1994

"Fiske is replaced by the more conservative Kenneth Starr as the independent counsel investigating the Whitewater scandal.

. . .

"January 16, 1998

"Janet Reno, the US Attorney General, approves the Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr's request for an expansion of the inquiry to include the Clinton-Lewinsky affair.

. . .

"November 19, 1998

"Prosecutor Kenneth Starr offers his testimony to the House of Representatives judiciary committee."

Ken Starr was on the job more than four years. By comparison Mueller has been moving very quickly. Patience, Grasshopper.

[Would a similar timeline mean that Donald Trump was a two-term president? Yes, but that seems like a real possibility anyway.]

Racket wrote:

But, politically speaking, the Democrats might need to start thinking about moving on I think.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Certainly it would be good long term strategy for the Democrats to express a clear and unified post-Trump vision but for now they're the minority party and have to play the hand they've been dealt. The centerpiece of that hand is an deeply divisive president who is very unpopular with their base.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Swamp Monster Guiliani wrote:

Guiliani says Trump is a LIAR, on Fox News! Claims Trump did pay Cohen $130k to silence Stormy Daniels. Too bad David Dennison refused to sign the NDA.

Giuliani said President Donald Trump had repaid his lawyer Michael Cohen for a $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels prior to the 2016 presidential election.

Rudy actually doing a good job here. If he tells the story right, he can dodge a few controversies.

Oddly, Daniels is the first time Trump has had any discipline at all.

We'll have to see about that. So far, everyone and their brother (legal analysts) believe this was a mistake by Rudy.

A good summary and some good points but I think this investigation is a bit different . I also do not think Trump will be a two term president however. He did not want the job to begin with and a "graceful" out is exactly what he wants. Declare victory, drop out of the race, and save face (possibly). On the other hand, maybe he's so full of himself that he will run again in 2020 (I also agree a second term is likely if he runs) so who really knows!

Monkeys typing wrote:

Racket wrote:

But, politically speaking, the Democrats might need to start thinking about moving on I think.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Certainly it would be good long term strategy for the Democrats to express a clear and unified post-Trump vision but for now they're the minority party and have to play the hand they've been dealt. The centerpiece of that hand is an deeply divisive president who is very unpopular with their base.

It was proven in 2016 that "not Trump" is not a key to victory. My fear is that Democrats will continue to hammer home the not Trump message instead of wooing independent voters over with actually policy and plans that will help working class and independent middle class voters.

"Not Trump" is preaching to the choir. It get's you no votes you didn't already have.

I disagree that time is running out. Trump having to drop out of the 2020 race would mean he is done. Also, if he drops out of the race, that doesn't mean legal action against him is finished. I agree that Democrats need to think about moving on...so do the Republicans. The first order of business though is to get Trump out of office or at least ensure that he will be in office as little time as possible. When you walk in the house and see that you left the milk on the kitchen table and you also see a rat, you deal with the rat first.

foo wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Rudy actually doing a good job here. If he tells the story right, he can dodge a few controversies.

Oddly, Daniels is the first time Trump has had any discipline at all.

He’s doing a great job. With a few more night’s like tonight, Flagpole’s prophecy will become reality.

Not necessarily. The legal consequences are unknown. Remember too the office of the President comes with judicial privileges not available to the rest of its citizens. So, the legal consequences are unknown.

Since Rudy is leading with this story, chances are excellent it's cover for some things far, far worse. Given how sloppy Cohen and others worked, there has to be more.

I think though, this is to get as much of the controversy out ahead of November elections as possible. Voters will forget May/June controversy.

Monkeys typing wrote:

Racket wrote:

But, politically speaking, the Democrats might need to start thinking about moving on I think.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Certainly it would be good long term strategy for the Democrats to express a clear and unified post-Trump vision but for now they're the minority party and have to play the hand they've been dealt. The centerpiece of that hand is an deeply divisive president who is very unpopular with their base.

A Reuters poll taken on April 22, 2018 had Trump’s approval rating among black men at 11%, while the same poll on April 29, 2018 pegged the approval rating at 22%. The defection from the Democrat party is happening and they are moving to Trump. The death of the Democrat party.

M.A.G.A. !!!

Racket wrote:

It was proven in 2016 that "not Trump" is not a key to victory. My fear is that Democrats will continue to hammer home the not Trump message instead of wooing independent voters over with actually policy and plans that will help working class and independent middle class voters.

"Not Trump" is preaching to the choir. It get's you no votes you didn't already have.

Correct. Ideally, the Congressional races are run on local politics, not Presidential opinions. Meanwhile, it seems like Republican primaries are bringing out all kinds of Roy Moore-like candidates. Not a good situation for the Republic.

I am not optimistic about the midterms.

Racket wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Certainly it would be good long term strategy for the Democrats to express a clear and unified post-Trump vision but for now they're the minority party and have to play the hand they've been dealt. The centerpiece of that hand is an deeply divisive president who is very unpopular with their base.

It was proven in 2016 that "not Trump" is not a key to victory. My fear is that Democrats will continue to hammer home the not Trump message instead of wooing independent voters over with actually policy and plans that will help working class and independent middle class voters.

"Not Trump" is preaching to the choir. It get's you no votes you didn't already have.

A counterpoint is that the Clinton campaign wasn't lacking for policy points, rather that the election wasn't mostly decided on policy points. "Not Hillary" surely was an effective campaign strategy and the Republicans are still using it.

Also Trump isn't exactly killing it with independents which is where elections are won and lost.

To be clear, I share your desire that elections hinged on comparative policy choices but it's not clear they do in the current environment.