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hey JCsportsman;thank you so much for your post, i really wanted to know how this numbing agent would affect someone with a sports hernia, and you have given me my answer! thank you!

I think that i have the two, FAI (labral tear) and the SH, because i had the SH for a year and i had no pain in my hip, and then the hip pain came after a year but before that it was all in the groin. But i guess from your post i concluded that i have a labral tear, which kind of sucks cuz i would have been much happier with a diagnosis of SH only since the solution to a sh is a simple surgery but FAI and labral tears lead to osteoarthritis and an eventual hip replacement; but anyways i think i will go to Meyer to see if he can find an SH, by the way, i had bone scan results showing damage to the hip, i guess that also further supports your hypothesis that its a hip issue, right?

and thank you rem for the the doc's number;

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Haach,

I had similar symptoms with my hip, pain first in the groin, then the hip about 6 months later. But the pain in my hip went away a few months later and became tightness... I still have concerns of a labral tear also, but I only have tightness in my hip now. I had SH surgery about 8 weeks ago and most of my problems are with my adductors, hamstrings and glutes now. I may, at some point, still have an arthrogram also. But I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that you have a labral tear. SH can cause the body to compensate in a number of ways, particularly in the hip. But it's hard to say because my understanding is that the two injuries can mimic each other in symptoms.

Now it is day 12 post surgery. I have been massaging like 2x a day (not 10) and getting weekly or biweekly deep tissue work with the PT. I am also doing these nice gentle stretches...maybe pool work will begin soon. Today the PT began GRASTON work on my adductors...ouch! Soon to come: ART.

Most importantly for me, I am jogging. It hurts if I try and take a normal stride, but if I shorten it, I can go a nice clip. Today I did 2+ miles...jog/walk 50/50. It was pretty encouraging as it stayed mainly pain free...but oh are those adductors tight!!

Just thought I would share.

Keep recovering, guys.

kent

I would be careful with the Graston technique. That is hugely aggressive and i do not know if i believe in going across tendons with those tools.

Keep in mind that Briere first had SH in 2005 while playing for the Sabres. He was repaired by Dr. Mulder in Montreal, had a few great years and then had a reoccurrence after moving to Philly. So it's hard to say in his case what the issue has been -- particularly whether the first repair was not 100% successful. Other hockey players have bounced right back and had several great seasons following SH repair with no problems, namely John Madden and Jamie Langenbrunner of the three-time Stanley Cup champion (sorry, rem, couldn't resist) Devils.

Briere's second surgery was on the opposite side, not a recurrence of the first side. It was actually Dr. Brown who did the first repair with Dr. Mulder. His second repair was with Meyers and that's the one that's caused the most issues post-op.

Lots of NHL'ers have had succesful repairs, Briere is just a HORRIBLE example.

People dismiss Brown's work but he's done over 100 NHL'ers and I know of only one recurrence, and the reson why it recurred.

rem, did you see my questions above?

Cheers!

I did, but every time I hot reply to that message your message gets replaced with some spam about Obama and a Turkish warlord - honestly.

Yes, I'm glad I had the surgery. I would also recomend it to anyone suffering from this without hesitation. At least now I know the defects in my abdomen are fixed and the nerve issues taken care of.

I'm almost positive Brown did cheechoo double surgery in 08 in 09 he played 66 games but only scored 12 goals compared to 06 he played 82 games and scored 56 goals. People ragged on him this year for sucking in the playoffs. I think all these Drs need to get collective on this thing and nail it down.

Does anyone know if tom Brady had adductor release? I know he hurt his knee pretty bad, cause he took a direct shot but.. I don't know if I agree with adductor release.

Do you guys think men with regular inguinal hernias need all the therapy and recovery stuff as SH? Or is recovery pretty straightforward?

I suppose Briere is not an open and shut success story and neither is Grant Hill. However, even though their rehab was more difficult they got their bodies where they could play again. Kind of like Posedniek. It took him roughly 2 years to get his core sqaured away.

My main point is that there is life after AP. Also you will heal propotionately to how much you put into it.

I think with this thing that time is a huge thing. I know i feel much much better, but i am realistic also. I was NOT in shape prior to surgery and do not figure to all of a sudden be in shape.

My FMS guy had me using bands this weekend to activate glutes even more. Well yesterday I feel like i got hit by a truck and my legs were on fire. However, it is for the good because they had been shut off for long. I can say this rehab has been no picnic for me. It is working and I am getting better....but you have to do the work.

I am back to work tomorrow so i will not be on as much.

I suppose Briere is not an open and shut success story and neither is Grant Hill. However, even though their rehab was more difficult they got their bodies where they could play again. Kind of like Posedniek. It took him roughly 2 years to get his core sqaured away.

My main point is that there is life after AP. Also you will heal propotionately to how much you put into it.

I think with this thing that time is a huge thing. I know i feel much much better, but i am realistic also. I was NOT in shape prior to surgery and do not figure to all of a sudden be in shape.

My FMS guy had me using bands this weekend to activate glutes even more. Well yesterday I feel like i got hit by a truck and my legs were on fire. However, it is for the good because they had been shut off for long. I can say this rehab has been no picnic for me. It is working and I am getting better....but you have to do the work.

I am back to work tomorrow so i will not be on as much.

As to the Glutes shutting down......the first thing I noticed after doing my walks is my glutes are real sore and achy like they never had been before....with the repair it feels like now Im forced to use them where as before I was probably using my Hip flexors to walk....and pre op I was doing a lot of glute work...and the more dysfunctions you develop by waiting to get this corrected thru surgery the more painful and longer your rehab will be

And the longer you wait the more damage you will eventually incur....especially if you are still able to be active....If when 5 years ago I could of know my diagnosis and the rigth doc to go to I would of had a simple one sided repair of probably just the RA and thats it...I would of been back to normal in 4-6 weeks and been saved from all the further damage and dysfunctions.....Instead I end up 5 years later having to get the full shabang....Bilatteral RA/Adductor repair and release....along with developed dysfunctions I can tell Rehab will be a long deal....So anyone thinking they can self heal Id start to be realistic and take it from the few of us on there who werent lucky enough to find this site early......also another good example of this is as of Nov 08 Meyer MRI my right side was fine...only left side was torn.....then FEB 09 constant pain began in the right side and the JUL 09 MRI then confirmed both sides were gone....my right carried my left side for 4 years and finally ran out of gas

One of the docs I visited felt adductor releases were a terrible idea for an athlete. On the flipside, a lot of surgeons do the adductor release, I believe the surgeons here in Boston do it.

Thanks, Albert for responding. i did think it was a bit painful and I was a little scared about whether it was too much. After expressing my concern, my PT said he's not going deep into tendon, rather he's focusing on the superficial fascia. I will say that after all the pain was over, I did feel like my groin was more pliable and walk/jogging became more comfortable.

still uncertain on how to proceed...but i do think meyer's protocol isn't realistic...no way am i sprinting any time soon!!

Rem-

It is funny how so many docs disagree. However, I would say when you do choose one to have complete faith in them or DO NOT let them operate on you.

I know without the adductor release/repair I would still have my lower leg compartment syndrome.

What exactly did the Dr. say was the drawback? I have heard of many athletes having this before.

Kent that 3 week Meyers Rehab Protocol is pretty much geared to get an athlete that is already in good condition back to doing his sport specific activities after 3 weeks and back on the field playing in 4-6 weeks. To me the most important part of that protocol is to be walking the next day and that whole 1st week....then days 7-10 up the walking while adding in the small stuff they mention in the protocol....after that If your not looking to get on the field ASAP I would go at the pace your body lets you...even if it takes 2-3 weeks to work up to do all the stuff in days 11-17 Idont see it being a problem...jsut my opinion..........I drilled Meyers and Marcia with questions on this protocol and what I got from them was once you can complete this protocol your body should be ready to get back to any exercise routine or activity at the right pace......I do know they are all about pushing it though....so I would make sure you are not over babying things but at the same time not over pushing...Find the Happy medium

Thanks for pointing that out, rem. Didn't know it was the other side.

Great info REM.....

I wonder if he had the 2nd side injury when the 1st side was torn. I know that alot of people are coming undone on the opposite side but are not completely torn.

Who knows. It just seems hockey players with those strong quads place a huge amount of stress on the RA and adductors....

I hope he gets better. I am sure he has hired the best trainers. The hard thing about NHLers is they usually do not have the leisure of time to rehab before the tendons/ligaments heal. Their season is so long.

Just to let everyone know I did Core-X tonight for the 3rd time. It is actually a great core workout when you can coordinate the moves. The first 2 times I did it I was very unsure of the movements. I am doing the beginners one but can feel the core-burn. It takes about 20-30 minutes to do. I am going to start doing it every night before I stretch and go to bed. I am trading off my nightly walk for this.

Still fighting gluteal minimus/medius fatigue from my new strength excercises from my kineseologist. thank goodness I am getting a massage tomorrow.

Tired of the deep ache in the glutes and legs....Thought that was behind me but i did not realize how weak my glutes are. they have been on shut-off for close to 5 years.