PIO! wrote:
Trump to take over justice department wrote:
Trump would run the justice department in the same manner as he operates with Cohen. Running it but making it appear the Sessions is still in charge. That is the Trump way.
Your paranoia matches that of Lying Gary.
Nope.
DiscoGary wrote:
I'm starting to feel guilty when I leave you guys alone on here because I [feel] like I have a duty to keep you all sane.
And, by comparison, you do!
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?
No. Trump failed to get Melania a birthday present. He said he didn't have time to get her anything because he was too "busy". Watching TV and golfing take up his personal time. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/politics/melania-trump-birthday-present/index.html
Historic Handshake in Korea wrote:
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/989668293337378816
DiscoGary wrote:
This Trump collusion thing has turned from a political tactic into a religion. This is very similar to the Global Warming religion where adherents will not even consider the possibility that the theory is wrong, and simply lash out at those who question it.
Strangely enough (but not for the first time!), I agree with DG here. An argument can be productive only if all its participants can say, sincerely, "But I could be wrong." If you don't have that, then there's no argument: At most, you have reciprocal statements of "religious" belief. The best you can hope for in that situation is that people will politely wait their turns to talk; they certainly won't be listening.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” J.S. Mill
Yes, yes, I can already hear people saying that "DG should apply that reasoning to himself!" Regardless of whether he can do that or he can't, the point is still valid.
kibitzer wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
This Trump collusion thing has turned from a political tactic into a religion. This is very similar to the Global Warming religion where adherents will not even consider the possibility that the theory is wrong, and simply lash out at those who question it.
Strangely enough (but not for the first time!), I agree with DG here. An argument can be productive only if all its participants can say, sincerely, "But I could be wrong." If you don't have that, then there's no argument: At most, you have reciprocal statements of "religious" belief. The best you can hope for in that situation is that people will politely wait their turns to talk; they certainly won't be listening.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” J.S. Mill
Yes, yes, I can already hear people saying that "DG should apply that reasoning to himself!" Regardless of whether he can do that or he can't, the point is still valid.
LOL! Gary is stealing ideas from classic LRC posts! He got the above from this gem....
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Is unwavering belief in the free market a form of religious belief? I mean the hardcore folks who think the solution to every problem is “free market reform” or who say “the market will correct that”. I think it is especially since for many areas of the economy (healthcare for example) there are no real world, empirical examples of how a “free market” healthcare system is superior in anyway to a universal / socialized system. The folks who spout off about “free market” and healthcare are applying principles to a system and claiming theoretical superiority using examples outside the healthcare realm.
I think free market zealots are no different than radical Islamic terrorists in the staunchness of their beliefs with little to no real world data supporting their position.
They are also similar to climate change cultists who base their opinions on media reports rather than peer reviewed data.
What’s wrong with all of these people?
Is Disco Gary the same person as Ex-Thrower?
I’m afraid of Gary. Im guessing he’s a big dude who could kick the ass of most of the skinny posters on this board. 48 years old or so.
Is this accurate Gary?
Ha!!! Comey just got caught lying more than once during an interview and yes, Obama was involved. Frickin Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barack=Hillary wrote:
Ha!!! Comey just got caught lying more than once during an interview and yes, Obama was involved. Frickin Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats a round about way of saying nothing.
Good job!
Haha wrote:
Barack=Hillary wrote:
Ha!!! Comey just got caught lying more than once during an interview and yes, Obama was involved. Frickin Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats a round about way of saying nothing.
Good job!
What?!? Just look at all those exclamation points! How can you declare that he is saying nothing when he has all those exclamation points?
No matter how this ends we are all guaranteed to be winners and all will be saying, "I told you so!"
Scenario A) Mueller exposes many Trump illegal activities and Trump is "convicted" (which could mean many different things).
Lying Gary & Co.: We told you so. The Deep State stopped at nothing to end this threat to themselves! This proves it!
Flagpole & Co.: We told you so. Trump has always been a criminal. This proves it!
Scenario B) Mueller exposes no Trump illegal activities and Trump is exonerated (which could mean many different things).
Lying Gary & Co.: We told you so. It was all nothing but a witch hunt from the beginning. No collusion. No nothing. This proves it!
Flagpole & Co.: We told you so. Nobody was out to get Trump. They were merely out for the truth. This proves it!
We are all winners here wrote:
No matter how this ends we are all guaranteed to be winners and all will be saying, "I told you so!"
Scenario A) Mueller exposes many Trump illegal activities and Trump is "convicted" (which could mean many different things).
Lying Gary & Co.: We told you so. The Deep State stopped at nothing to end this threat to themselves! This proves it!
Flagpole & Co.: We told you so. Trump has always been a criminal. This proves it!
Scenario B) Mueller exposes no Trump illegal activities and Trump is exonerated (which could mean many different things).
Lying Gary & Co.: We told you so. It was all nothing but a witch hunt from the beginning. No collusion. No nothing. This proves it!
Flagpole & Co.: We told you so. Nobody was out to get Trump. They were merely out for the truth. This proves it!
You are incorrect. I will not claim any kind of victory if Trump is exonerated. In fact, if he is, I will admit I was wrong and I will apologize to Trump and all here who supported him. I, and anyone who has agreed with me this whole time, will be correct. When Trump is found guilty of multiple crimes, I will not accept Gary & Co. suggesting they were right in any way. They have called it all a hoax, a nothingburger, etc.
No room for everyone to be right here. I will be right. You just have to be patient.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Good evening! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine PM?
Historic Handshake in Korea wrote:
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/989668293337378816
A Nobel Peace Prize for Trump's insulting tweets?
What else did Trump do?
I ask honestly because if the Korean situation turns out well then somebody probably should get the Peace Prize for it.
kibitzer wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
This Trump collusion thing has turned from a political tactic into a religion. This is very similar to the Global Warming religion where adherents will not even consider the possibility that the theory is wrong, and simply lash out at those who question it.
Strangely enough (but not for the first time!), I agree with DG here. An argument can be productive only if all its participants can say, sincerely, "But I could be wrong." If you don't have that, then there's no argument: At most, you have reciprocal statements of "religious" belief. The best you can hope for in that situation is that people will politely wait their turns to talk; they certainly won't be listening.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” J.S. Mill
Yes, yes, I can already hear people saying that "DG should apply that reasoning to himself!" Regardless of whether he can do that or he can't, the point is still valid.
Kibitzer, well said! DG is really just a contemporary cynic however.
Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?
Fat hurts wrote:
Historic Handshake in Korea wrote:
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/989668293337378816A Nobel Peace Prize for Trump's insulting tweets?
What else did Trump do?
I ask honestly because if the Korean situation turns out well then somebody probably should get the Peace Prize for it.
Here is where Trumpers should take notice:
If Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, announced in November 2009, after he hadn't even been in office for a year (I thought it was ridiculous at the time that he won that even though I remain a big supporter of his), then Trump could win this time, and honestly, even though he is a bumbling crazy fool criminal, his craziness might have allowed him to stumble into this one, and as insane as it is, he might be more deserving than Obama was.
So, what did Trump do?
He did push back in a very in your face way (this isn't necessarily the best way, and he only has that one gear, but in this case it might have worked)
He did send Pompeo to have talks.
So, to be clear, Donald Trump is such a criminal, overall such an incompetent person, a serial liar, lazy, not very bright and really not competent to be the President of the United States, and I will never praise him for anything he does, because he is not worthy of praise, BUT I will admit he had a hand in getting North and South Korea to talk, and while Trump is not good in any way, that situation is good.
kibitzer wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
This Trump collusion thing has turned from a political tactic into a religion. This is very similar to the Global Warming religion where adherents will not even consider the possibility that the theory is wrong, and simply lash out at those who question it.
Strangely enough (but not for the first time!), I agree with DG here. An argument can be productive only if all its participants can say, sincerely, "But I could be wrong." If you don't have that, then there's no argument: At most, you have reciprocal statements of "religious" belief. The best you can hope for in that situation is that people will politely wait their turns to talk; they certainly won't be listening.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” J.S. Mill
Yes, yes, I can already hear people saying that "DG should apply that reasoning to himself!" Regardless of whether he can do that or he can't, the point is still valid.
Well, you are wrong to agree with DG here.
Your assertion that an argument can be productive only if all its participants can say, sincerely, "But I could be wrong" is faulty big time. "Hey, that grown man is beating that 6 year old girl to within an inch of her life. I'd better argue with him. But I could be wrong". Umm...no.
Some things are universally inherently wrong. Believing that Donald Trump is good for American is inherently wrong, and fortunately because we are a rule of law nation, he will be forced to resign or he will be impeached and convicted and removed.
His analogy (that then you agree with) is also a bad one. Global Warming isn't akin to a religion at all. It is the opposite of that. It is based on science and facts. It is akin to religion to believe it ISN'T happening.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
A Nobel Peace Prize for Trump's insulting tweets?
What else did Trump do?
I ask honestly because if the Korean situation turns out well then somebody probably should get the Peace Prize for it.
Here is where Trumpers should take notice:
If Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, announced in November 2009, after he hadn't even been in office for a year (I thought it was ridiculous at the time that he won that even though I remain a big supporter of his), then Trump could win this time, and honestly, even though he is a bumbling crazy fool criminal, his craziness might have allowed him to stumble into this one, and as insane as it is, he might be more deserving than Obama was.
So, what did Trump do?
He did push back in a very in your face way (this isn't necessarily the best way, and he only has that one gear, but in this case it might have worked)
He did send Pompeo to have talks.
So, to be clear, Donald Trump is such a criminal, overall such an incompetent person, a serial liar, lazy, not very bright and really not competent to be the President of the United States, and I will never praise him for anything he does, because he is not worthy of praise, BUT I will admit he had a hand in getting North and South Korea to talk, and while Trump is not good in any way, that situation is good.
Not so fast. Trump confirmed in his FOX interview that Pompeo did not go NK to meet Kim. He said he went and Kim walked into the meeting. The way he spun it was that they are so desperate to talk to us. It is more likely Kim simply ambushed Pompeo and cornered him to set up the meeting in his terms. They are playing the south and Trump. That's ok if it produces some results, but lets not jump to conclusions, they have presented no evidence that they are going to scale back or keep their word in general.
In my opinion, this is the kind of impact an outside President should have, since presumably they aren't tied down to their party's agenda and have broader options. How he goes about all this is a whole different beast. Results are important, but we have not seen results yet, only dangerous methods.
Fat hurts wrote:
Historic Handshake in Korea wrote:
Nobel Peace Prize for Trump?
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/989668293337378816A Nobel Peace Prize for Trump's insulting tweets?
What else did Trump do?
I ask honestly because if the Korean situation turns out well then somebody probably should get the Peace Prize for it.
Trump's strong stance on sanctions on North Korea and getting China to talk denuclearization also helped. By the way, Chinese social media also insulted Kim Yong Un by calling him "Fatty Kim." Trump deserves a lot of credit for a possible peace deal.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/103445864/us-president-donald-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-for-korean-triumphhttps://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-resolve-north-korea-nuclear-crisis-where-barack-obama-failed-win-nobel-peace-prize-a8242731.htmlhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/27/donald-trumps-korea-triumph-should-earn-nobel-peace-prize/