DiscoGary wrote:
One of us is in the rat maze for sure, but which one?
HINT: I got out of the rat maze by asking myself "How do I know I'm right?" Once you put the burden of proof on yourself, and stop screaming at the walls because reality refuses to conform to the fake news you are fed every day, then you will start going down the right path to finding the maze exit.
Earlier you implied that you don't believe in Global Warming.
What is your view on that and how do you "know you are right"?
Trollminator wrote:
Racket wrote:
How do you know you're not a simpleton?
I don't react to things with an immediate conclusion. My decision making and thought process are guided by facts, preferably in the form of scientific evidence. My initial reaction to a perceived problem is to try to qualify and define it so that it's clear what is going on. I'm open minded to solutions, and rarely speak to anything in absolute terms. And although I know my basic logic is very sound, I don't like to rely on it. As a result, I question myself, explore different ways of thinking and others' positions.
If you're a trumper you might be asking if I'm so open minded then why am I so convinced the guy is evil and bad for our country:
1. He repeatedly refers to complicated problems as simple and nonsensical.
2. That alone shows just how little he understands about how things work, especially issues concerning economics, policy and national security (the more technical stuff, not the social).
3. With just a tiny bit of homework anyone can see how although he seems to have done well financially, he's not driven by a good value system, he is shady, and he is a divider - things that easily disqualify him from a leadership role in public service.
4. He claims those "simple" problems are "easy" to fix. That's a straight up red flag and again shows he knows very little to nothing.
5. His performance record in terms of showing leadership, pragmatism, expertise and making good on his campaign promises is horrendous.
This is another excellent post from you. It is very much like what I would have said but for a couple things:
1) I can't agree that Trump has done well financially. He calls himself the king of debt, he can't get a loan from a US bank because he stiffed them all, and it is very likely that his poor financial situation is the cause for his ties to Russia which might end up putting him in jail.
2) I DO speak of things in absolute terms, but only after careful thought and consideration, and that thought and consideration does come from input from others. I will give some absolutes now...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Now, neither Trollminator nor I said Gary was stupid. Trollminator said "simpleton", and I agreed. A simpleton is a foolish or gullible person. That is what a continuing supporter of Trump is today.
You can't punish someone for voting wrong. The problem with this is you give believers in the Dear Leader no honorable way out. Leaving a person with some dignity so they can change is very important.
Meanwhile the Right's policy changes are much more consequential than the chief idiot.
It is not punishment, and I would never disparage someone for not being knowledgeable. However, people generally do not change. I actually don't blame them for Trump being in the WH. I blame the cumulative bad leadership in government. Trump is a symptom of a long-brewing problem. Career politicians need to get through this presidency, realize just how damaging it was for them and for the country, and unite in an effort to regain public trust. I liked Sanders a lot because of his attitude toward super PACs and lobbyists. Sure he is not perfect and is part of the political machine, but the issues he raised are some of the most consequential. Now I know a lot of trumpers were hanging on to hope that he was going to drop in and break the system. That is laughable. Change has to come internally, the politicians will need it for survival. The GOP was high jacked by trump and whether they collectively realize it or not they are in survival mode. The Democrats need new blood to shake the order up and find more appealing and practical messages. The current political methods of blocking and finger pointing are less and less effective. At some point we will coalitions between party members and it will gain traction. I appreciate folks like Gary not holding their breath, but the solution is not putting an ignoramus oligarch-wannabe in charge of the country.
Trollminator wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
You can't punish someone for voting wrong. The problem with this is you give believers in the Dear Leader no honorable way out. Leaving a person with some dignity so they can change is very important.
Meanwhile the Right's policy changes are much more consequential than the chief idiot.
It is not punishment, and I would never disparage someone for not being knowledgeable. However, people generally do not change. I actually don't blame them for Trump being in the WH. I blame the cumulative bad leadership in government. Trump is a symptom of a long-brewing problem. Career politicians need to get through this presidency, realize just how damaging it was for them and for the country, and unite in an effort to regain public trust. I liked Sanders a lot because of his attitude toward super PACs and lobbyists. Sure he is not perfect and is part of the political machine, but the issues he raised are some of the most consequential. Now I know a lot of trumpers were hanging on to hope that he was going to drop in and break the system. That is laughable. Change has to come internally, the politicians will need it for survival. The GOP was high jacked by trump and whether they collectively realize it or not they are in survival mode. The Democrats need new blood to shake the order up and find more appealing and practical messages. The current political methods of blocking and finger pointing are less and less effective. At some point we will coalitions between party members and it will gain traction. I appreciate folks like Gary not holding their breath, but the solution is not putting an ignoramus oligarch-wannabe in charge of the country.
Absolutely correct!
New motto: "Letsrun.com -- Where a bunch of 135lb soy-drinking men extol the virtues of Hillary Clinton."
You go, boys!
Flagpole wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
I don't react to things with an immediate conclusion. My decision making and thought process are guided by facts, preferably in the form of scientific evidence. My initial reaction to a perceived problem is to try to qualify and define it so that it's clear what is going on. I'm open minded to solutions, and rarely speak to anything in absolute terms. And although I know my basic logic is very sound, I don't like to rely on it. As a result, I question myself, explore different ways of thinking and others' positions.
If you're a trumper you might be asking if I'm so open minded then why am I so convinced the guy is evil and bad for our country:
1. He repeatedly refers to complicated problems as simple and nonsensical.
2. That alone shows just how little he understands about how things work, especially issues concerning economics, policy and national security (the more technical stuff, not the social).
3. With just a tiny bit of homework anyone can see how although he seems to have done well financially, he's not driven by a good value system, he is shady, and he is a divider - things that easily disqualify him from a leadership role in public service.
4. He claims those "simple" problems are "easy" to fix. That's a straight up red flag and again shows he knows very little to nothing.
5. His performance record in terms of showing leadership, pragmatism, expertise and making good on his campaign promises is horrendous.
This is another excellent post from you. It is very much like what I would have said but for a couple things:
1) I can't agree that Trump has done well financially. He calls himself the king of debt, he can't get a loan from a US bank because he stiffed them all, and it is very likely that his poor financial situation is the cause for his ties to Russia which might end up putting him in jail.
2) I DO speak of things in absolute terms, but only after careful thought and consideration, and that thought and consideration does come from input from others. I will give some absolutes now...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
On the financial front - that's why I added "seems to have done well". I believe he might be worth much closer to zero than $1B, no question that is why he will never release his tax returns. But in terms of cash flow and post casino-bankruptcies success, he might have done ok. The TV show was a success, and the brand royalties are cash-flow positive for sure. Net worth is a whole other thing though.
2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment wrote:
New motto: "Letsrun.com -- Where a bunch of 135lb soymilk-drinking men extol the virtues of Hillary Clinton."
You go, boys!
Post is squared away now
Trump today, threatening to end the rule of law in the United States of America. He tells us openly that at some point he will take over the Justice Department and force it to prosecute his political enemies.
80% support from Republicans. Yes, you can blame people for their vote. Perfectly obvious during the election this is where Trump wanted to take the country.
Trump today:
"You look at the corruption at the top of the FBI, it’s a disgrace. And our Justice Department – which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t – our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and everyone knows it."
Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
This is another excellent post from you. It is very much like what I would have said but for a couple things:
1) I can't agree that Trump has done well financially. He calls himself the king of debt, he can't get a loan from a US bank because he stiffed them all, and it is very likely that his poor financial situation is the cause for his ties to Russia which might end up putting him in jail.
2) I DO speak of things in absolute terms, but only after careful thought and consideration, and that thought and consideration does come from input from others. I will give some absolutes now...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
On the financial front - that's why I added "seems to have done well". I believe he might be worth much closer to zero than $1B, no question that is why he will never release his tax returns. But in terms of cash flow and post casino-bankruptcies success, he might have done ok. The TV show was a success, and the brand royalties are cash-flow positive for sure. Net worth is a whole other thing though.
Point taken. I will not be shocked to learn that he is worth zero or even less than zero...a guy who calls himself the "King of Debt" likely wouldn't allow cash sitting around when he could go get a loan.
DiscoGary wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
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There needs to be "a way back" for these people otherwise there is only more division.
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Let me guess. Part of the plan for bringing us "back" involves calling us simpletons and throwing us into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables. Amiright?
You missed the part where you are entitled to your opinion and no one should ever be punished for voting.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Let me guess. Part of the plan for bringing us "back" involves calling us simpletons and throwing us into the Basket of Irredeemable Deplorables. Amiright?
You missed the part where you are entitled to your opinion and no one should ever be punished for voting.
No he didn't.
Lying Gary doesn't miss these sorts of things. He simply chooses to exclude them in his replies. Otherwise he would be at least partially honest and we know he can't tolerate that.
Lying Gary.
alapaha wrote:
Trump today, threatening to end the rule of law in the United States of America. He tells us openly that at some point he will take over the Justice Department and force it to prosecute his political enemies.
80% support from Republicans. Yes, you can blame people for their vote. Perfectly obvious during the election this is where Trump wanted to take the country.
Trump today:
"You look at the corruption at the top of the FBI, it’s a disgrace. And our Justice Department – which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t – our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and everyone knows it."
I saw the interview. He DID NOT say openly that he will take over the Justice Department. That quote says nothing of the sort.
It's not clear at all what he really meant, but I took it to mean that at some point he might fire Rosenstien and/or Mueller and/or Sessions. He knows that things could get to the point where that would be his least worst option.
Racket wrote:
Trump is on Fox News right now I believe. Should be a good day for the thread!
Anyone who can listen to that idiot rant and rave like he did this morning and be completely content with him leading the free world is beyond help. I think that's why DiscoGary is becoming more and more uninteresting. Deep down, he's gotta be at least a little embarrassed.
The only thing that separates Trump from your average demented curmudgeon who calls into the Rush Limbaugh show from his garbage-filled basement at 1:30 in the afternoon is that rich daddies and Russian oligarchs haven't propped up the business/political interests of the latter.
2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment wrote:
New motto: "Letsrun.com -- Where a bunch of 135lb soy-drinking men extol the virtues of Hillary Clinton."
You go, boys!
Hillary Clinton deserves respect. She has managed to stake out prime real estate inside the minds of Republicans across the country even though she has no power and has on been her death bed with a terminal illness for YEARS. But the only people who talk about her in this thread are desperate, deflecting conservatives, Mr. Hamburger-Milkshake-Drinking-Manly-Man. (We all know it's you, jamin.)
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
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Anyone who can listen to that idiot rant and rave like he did this morning and be completely content with him leading the free world is beyond help. I think that's why DiscoGary is becoming more and more uninteresting. Deep down, he's gotta be at least a little embarrassed.
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I'm fine with my vote. Not the least bit embarrassed, and very proud of all the Americans that put him in office.
I understand that from the liberal media rat maze Trump looks like a criminal, his voters look like Nazis, and the economy is in shambles. In the real world things are exactly the opposite.
DiscoGary wrote:
I understand that from the liberal media rat maze Trump looks like a criminal, his voters look like Nazis, and the economy is in shambles. In the real world things are exactly the opposite.
It is yet to be confirmed whether Trump is a criminal.
His voters aren't entirely comprised of Nazis, but Nazis would have overwhelmingly voted for him.
The economy is not in shambles.
Hope this helps give you some insight.
local lib wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
I understand that from the liberal media rat maze Trump looks like a criminal, his voters look like Nazis, and the economy is in shambles. In the real world things are exactly the opposite.
It is yet to be confirmed whether Trump is a criminal.
His voters aren't entirely comprised of Nazis, but Nazis would have overwhelmingly voted for him.
The economy is not in shambles.
Hope this helps give you some insight.
Did you really just suggest that Lying Gary is capable of having some insight? Very optimistic (and generous) of you.
LOL ... Trump said on Fox & Friends: "Our Justice Department, which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t — our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and Russia." Meaning that the dotard might decide to run the department himself to do his dirty work -- drop the Russia thing, and thrown the Clinton's in jail, and shut down MSM. Can you say, "Hello Hitler v2."
Trump to take over justice department wrote:
LOL ... Trump said on Fox & Friends: "Our Justice Department, which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t — our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and Russia." Meaning that the dotard might decide to run the department himself to do his dirty work -- drop the Russia thing, and thrown the Clinton's in jail, and shut down MSM. Can you say, "Hello Hitler v2."
That MIGHT be what Trump meant, but I really doubt it. You guys are taking Trump's words too seriously.
Fat hurts wrote:
Trump to take over justice department wrote:
LOL ... Trump said on Fox & Friends: "Our Justice Department, which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won’t — our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and Russia." Meaning that the dotard might decide to run the department himself to do his dirty work -- drop the Russia thing, and thrown the Clinton's in jail, and shut down MSM. Can you say, "Hello Hitler v2."
That MIGHT be what Trump meant, but I really doubt it. You guys are taking Trump's words too seriously.
Trump would run the justice department in the same manner as he operates with Cohen. Running it but making it appear the Sessions is still in charge. That is the Trump way.
Trump to take over justice department wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
That MIGHT be what Trump meant, but I really doubt it. You guys are taking Trump's words too seriously.
Trump would run the justice department in the same manner as he operates with Cohen. Running it but making it appear the Sessions is still in charge. That is the Trump way.
Your paranoia matches that of Lying Gary.