Bob Hearn wrote:
[quote]CoachKev wrote:
So, don't expect big miles today.
I haven't been expecting them since the scrutiny began.
Bob Hearn wrote:
[quote]CoachKev wrote:
So, don't expect big miles today.
I haven't been expecting them since the scrutiny began.
A text from laz this morning(posted to the ulist by case):
"A text from Laz this morning a few hours after RY tried to show off some of
his sub 7 minute mile skills with mixed success:
"You could post this to the list for me.
Anyone who thinks he is not suffering enough should see him now." "
Stay tuned LRC - we have you covered!
Bob Hearn wrote:
CoachKev wrote:Secondly I'm sorry to tell you all that the mysterious Laz is not with Rob or his team as I asked them directly. Bill Schultz Gary and Ray are currently with him. They have not seen anyone called Laz or who resembles Laz.
So, this got glossed over. Bill Schultz is out there -- that's great! He has actually done a transcon run, and knows how it is supposed to go. Also like Laz he is an RD for ultras.
I talked to him this morning. He says (about Rob):
(1) he and his crew really don’t seem to have a sense for pacing
(2) He said he’s blistering ‘badly’.
(3) He hopes to stay out till noon and then get a hotel room thru the heat.
So, don't expect big miles today.
Thanks.
Finally I can get some work done.
Bob Hearn wrote:
Great post from the ultralist this morning (James Mungall).
Great post. Good responses from you and Markus about the whole FKT or WR issue and the previous "record" by Frank and Stan. Thanks for sharing the post from the ultralist.
proof is there wrote:
rtucker6508 wrote:Did I miss something? Where - exactly - was it proven that he is not cheating?
Duh. Read the thread.
I have - there is NO proof that he did NOT cheat.... but I get the attempt to get people to say that.
1 2 3 green wrote:
Now eagerly awaiting the new Asher video, although I doubt it will be conclusive either way and will only muddy the waters. I suspect Rob was in the RV and got lucky that someone happened to walk by. I mean, his original comment was something like, "the van was ahead, I MIGHT be 15min behind, get video BEFORE or AFTER the RV passes and you MIGHT just see me." Well which was it, before or after. Sounds to me like someone being evasive and getting ready to defend why he wasn't on the video.
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
It's over. I'll give him at most another 100 miles until he throws in the towel.
You heard it here first.
Bob Hearn wrote:
Great post from the ultralist this morning (James Mungall).
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I find the whole RY transcon thing profoundly dispiriting.
As has been made abundantly clear in this thread and others like it, there is no way to certify efforts like transcon "runs" and they are not adjudicated races with set courses and a field of competitors, run under the same conditions by everyone, so I wonder why anybody even tries to compare one such effort with another. This leads logically to the idea (in my mind, at least) that nobody should pay more than passing interest in what RY is doing because if it isn't comparable to other people's transcons in a rigorous way, it must therefore be a strictly personal challenge. Once we relegate it to personal challenge, it becomes no more or less interesting than anyone's training runs or journey runs or hiking expeditions. I put the whole FKT phenomenon into the same basket, and I am bored by the arguments among runners and their fans about who did what combination of peaks in California and whether or not their efforts were legit.
It has been a dream of mine since I was a teenager with maps taped all over my walls to hit the road and walk across Canada from Canso to Vancouver. The idea of making it a public event with boasting of records broken and heart-warming acts of sacrifice for the children would never have crossed my mind. Until a couple of years ago I wasn't even aware that this was a "thing" that people did to show off except for Terry Fox, who I regarded as a one-off with noble intentions. I would have done it as a purely personal challenge - in fact, less as a challenge than as an extended meditation on what it means to exist without the fetters of ordinary existence, just rising every day and feeling the wind and the sun and the rain along the road. I did it once for three weeks in Iceland and it was so addictive that I didn't want to stop. Ever. I would be doing it right now if I wasn't so attached to the people I live with. But I would not expect anyone else to be interested in what I was doing.
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately in the balance, those fetters of ordinary existence have always been strong enough to keep me at home and prevent me from doing the trip. I don't think I'll ever have the opportunity so it will remain a dream. My 19-year old son has begun to talk about it and maybe someday I'll live the dream vicariously if he decides to do it.
Peering behind the gaudy curtains masking RY's transcon attempt feels like peeping on someone doing something that should be intensely private but which by his own actions he has made extremely public. It has aspects of exhibitionism and voyeurism that I find impossible to look away from but which I wish I could simply ignore as if I had never become aware of it. (I often feel that way when I make my occasional forays into facebook, but that's another story.)
And yet, I've read every page on the letsrun thread and I want to know what Laz and RayK will tell us. The only merit our collective fascination might hold would be the protection of the gullible from whatever harm might result from fraudulent claims, if fraud were demonstrated to have occurred.
I guess that many of us are suckers for public spectacles of pride and humiliation, in a way that the internet has made possible as never before.
Jim
Wow.
rtucker6508 wrote:
proof is there wrote:Duh. Read the thread.
I have - there is NO proof that he did NOT cheat.... but I get the attempt to get people to say that.
Duh. Read again.
rtucker6508 wrote:
boom goez the dynomite wrote:seems that this thread is starting to die now that it is proven that Rob was NOT cheating
Did I miss something? Where - exactly - was it proven that he is not cheating?
Who are these idiots posting that this run has been legit? It's like the Nike employees who get in here regarding Rupp or AlSal.
Here's the facts:
Rob has likely been legit since the thread has gone up.
Rob was cheating the first 20 days.
Whether there's video of him running by a car wash or not it is impossible to run 50 miles at 90 seconds UNDER your marathon pace. I repeat physiologically impossible.
Asher Delmott wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:Now eagerly awaiting the new Asher video, although I doubt it will be conclusive either way and will only muddy the waters. I suspect Rob was in the RV and got lucky that someone happened to walk by. I mean, his original comment was something like, "the van was ahead, I MIGHT be 15min behind, get video BEFORE or AFTER the RV passes and you MIGHT just see me." Well which was it, before or after. Sounds to me like someone being evasive and getting ready to defend why he wasn't on the video.
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
That's Robert!!!!
MightyUlist wrote:
A text from laz this morning(posted to the ulist by case):
"A text from Laz this morning a few hours after RY tried to show off some of
his sub 7 minute mile skills with mixed success:
"You could post this to the list for me.
Anyone who thinks he is not suffering enough should see him now." "
Stay tuned LRC - we have you covered!
So I guess no more 55-mile stretches at sub-7 pace.
I don't understand why he would even attempt sub-7 pace. As others have pointed out, the name of the game in an attempt like this is energy efficiency. Why would you attempt to run and break yourself down, other than to try to prove your critics wrong that you could do it. If he walks 15 hours a day, it sounds like he'll get the record. Of course, this is the guy who opened the Brighton Marathon with a 5:23 mile split and finished in 3:30 (average of 8:00/mile).
Asher Delmott wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:Now eagerly awaiting the new Asher video, although I doubt it will be conclusive either way and will only muddy the waters. I suspect Rob was in the RV and got lucky that someone happened to walk by. I mean, his original comment was something like, "the van was ahead, I MIGHT be 15min behind, get video BEFORE or AFTER the RV passes and you MIGHT just see me." Well which was it, before or after. Sounds to me like someone being evasive and getting ready to defend why he wasn't on the video.
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
In my opinion, that is the walk of someone casually strolling through the middle of the night, possibly tipsy, and probably having illegal substances on their person. Pace is too relaxed.
Asher Delmott wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:Now eagerly awaiting the new Asher video, although I doubt it will be conclusive either way and will only muddy the waters. I suspect Rob was in the RV and got lucky that someone happened to walk by. I mean, his original comment was something like, "the van was ahead, I MIGHT be 15min behind, get video BEFORE or AFTER the RV passes and you MIGHT just see me." Well which was it, before or after. Sounds to me like someone being evasive and getting ready to defend why he wasn't on the video.
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
Is that the one that is supposed to be Rob? The back half of the pic looks like a neighborhood crack whore. Wearing pants, skinny and looking back occasionally for a "date".
AreaIpersson wrote:
On second thought, it's highly suspect that Rob is clocking significantly lower averages on the supposedly less difficult days. Also, his reluctance to show any real data seems strange, to say the least.
Nonsense. a) he has blisters; b) this is in line with the IAAF's new anti-transparency policy, now even adhered to by Paula Radcliffe who originally wanted to release all her data.
The fact alone that Rob ran 40 miles through the hilly desert at 6 min pace proves that he's legit. Fortunately Guinness won't be overly picky and will still accept this world record, although there are no direct witnesses for these 40 miles.
Asher Delmott wrote:
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
Hahahahaha. Thank you so much. LRC now has it's own UFO video. This one will never be forgotten.
It doesn't look like Mr Young to me. I think it's a random pedestrian in coat and jeans/pants with some type of big logo on the back of the coat, and the pace that person is moving at certainly isn't going to support anything faster than about 20 min/mile in my opinion. If running at anything less than ~12 min/mile through your area has been claimed I don't think this video helps him.
MightyUlist wrote:
A text from laz this morning(posted to the ulist by case):
"A text from Laz this morning a few hours after RY tried to show off some of
his sub 7 minute mile skills with mixed success:
"You could post this to the list for me.
Anyone who thinks he is not suffering enough should see him now." "
Stay tuned LRC - we have you covered!
Did laz communicate this from 1890? Has someone informed him of more modern methods of communication than pigeon post, flag semaphore, and beacons? If he happens to be using a cell phone, can he elaborate a bit more, perhaps in an email, online post, or via phone call?
proof is HERE wrote:
Asher Delmott wrote:Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
That's Robert!!!!
Yes. This is the final proof for his innocence. What an athlete! Case closed.
probably having illegal substances on their person. [/quote]
I like the way you word things. Do you have a Police background. I would like you to stop by funkhousr for an interview for deputy.
Sgt Dierks
Asher Delmott wrote:
[quote]
Haven't heard anything from Rob yet, but I guess maybe I never will. I don't understand why the guy won't talk to me, either on the side of the road, or on Facebook...
Several new videos out at the same google photos link, but this is the one you want:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMRbDzZKAQnEBr05jv51pA4Dp6PdrFn_SxfkB-eiv6aOODZP5cddbPpWlIeKrEA0Q/photo/AF1QipMvJKsWTtvMc34XMhY83RppfcSZ71LdyfyZTp-Y?key=WkNmVUJhYzhiLWtTWlNjUTVMMElaZ2FvTjhwWkxnBring on the muddy water.
Finally, either way this video goes, he wasn't running at Lebo.
Hahahaha. There are no muddy waters here. You're a very generous person and are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he probably doesn't deserve. There seems to be almost no chance that the person strolling along wearing long pants is him. And I hope this lessens the fear of Rob's fans that you've been out to get him the whole time.