Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

I was in the American military.

As impressive as you might find the Ukrainian men doing the fighting and dying while you whine online they are amateurs compared to the US military.

If the US wanted to it could show up and humiliate the Ukrainians and the Russians simultaneously in a few weeks even if you joined forces.

I know you cant win the war. Your ego can never be large enough to change that fact.

A big part of the issue is the fact that the SBU just charged a couple of the NABU’s employees with ties to russia, basically Treason. So zelensky sees this and it reaffirms his thoughts of “my anti corruption agency is not working as efficiently as i think it should, let me get more control over it”. And then your Ukrainian population, with the Euromaiden revolution still fresh on their minds (which THEY accomplished, despite thousands of russian agents assassinating key protestors) see Zelensky going to get a tighter grip and “weaken” the independence of the NABU. Both sides have good reasons to feel the way they do, and russian agents are of course using tools like Astroturfing and online troll farms to make the situation worse. The protests in Lviv and Kyiv were very peaceful though. I was at one of them.

kyivindependent.com

Zelensky submits new bill restoring anti-graft agencies' independence after protests

The bill follows Zelensky's decision on July 22 to sign a bill that effectively destroyed the independence of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) and the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (SAPO).

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And look at that. Zelensky listened to the people, no riot police, no arrests, and submitted changes to the law within 3 days. This is what a democracy looks like. Can you imagine Putin or Trump behaving like this?

A thousand paid protesters is not democracy. Democracy is free elections which doesn't exist in ukraine

Man, i had no idea i was paid to be at that protest! And there were about 5,000 of us. Do you know where i can claim my zelensky dictator check? I have my local IBNU and Kyivstar accounts ready!!

Reuters reporting that Elon Musk personally ordered Starlink service to be cut off to regions of Ukraine during Kherson offensive in 2022.

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Musk ordered shutdown of Starlink satellite service as Ukraine retook territory from Russia

Joey Roulette,Cassell Bryan-Low,Tom Balmforth

A previously unreported order by Elon Musk to cut satellite communications over a portion of Ukraine disrupted a counteroffensive by Kyiv in the autumn of 2022. Reuters investigated the billionaire's order and its implication...

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This raises, or rather highlights, a lot of the questions around military adoption of civilian technologies and the risks associated with the considerable power wielded by a very few people who's loyalties are not always clear.

HERO ZELENSKY

kyivindependent.com

Zelensky signs law allowing citizens over 60 to join military during wartime

The measure enables older volunteers to serve in non-combat and specialized roles, expanding Ukraine’s recruitment pool amid continued manpower shortages.

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If a 65 year old in good shape wants to do rear areas work, by all means legally let them.

Remember the draft age still starts at 25 and they have resisted lowering it to allow the younger generation of Ukrainians to live their young adult lives in some form of peace.

Over 60? That's crazy! 🤣 According to science, there's a big age spurt at 60 where a lot of health issues especially cardiovascular orthopedically wise, become more apparent & problematic for this age demographics (the first age spurt is seen around 45).

What's wrong with Zelensky? Why doesn't he draft 18 & 19 yr olds into service like most countries have done & do during wartime?

During WW2, the main draft demographics for the U.S. was the18-20 yr old group with many 17 yr olds lying about their age to go fight in the war (e.g. war hero Audie Murphy lied about his age).

Over 60? Lol. What a crazy war over there in Ukraine.

C'mon man, as long as there's a bloody war going on with Russia there's no peace over there. Lol. Do you think when the U.S. was attacked at Pearl Harbor & WW2 broke out with Japan, there was peace in the U.S.?

Roosevelt enacted the draft where 18 & 19 yr olds were drafted like crazy (many youngsters, including those under 18 who lied about their age, rushing to sign up at recruiting centers. America's youth stepped up to fight for their country (my Uncle fought at the Battle of Okinawa as an 18 yr old!)

Where's the Ukraine national spirit where their youngsters want to sign up & rush to the front line to fight for their country? 🤔

The United States had a much more secure demographic back then in terms of birth rates and such, and WW2 was nowhere near as deadly as this war with drones.

Ukraine’s birthrate was struggling to stay afloat before the war. Now it is even worse. If Zelensky taps into that younger group, he risks hurting Ukraine’s future even further. By NOT tapping into that demographic, he also puts more pressure on fewer men on the frontlines to hold the Russians back.

It is a terrible balancing game with no winner, but he’s clearly doing his best, and the Ukrainians are excellent at modern warfare.

How is that russian summer offensive going?

“The Russian milblogger denied reports that elements of the Russian 1434th Akhmat-Chechnya Regiment successfully assaulted and cleared positions near Varachyne (northeast of Sumy City), claiming that the regiment did not advance and that all personnel who participated in the attacks were killed or wounded in action (WIA).[29] The milblogger recently complained that elements of the 1434th Akhmat-Chechnya Regiment took up positions near Varachyne (north of Sumy City) but are not attacking out of fear of Ukrainian drones.[30]”

Right now it looks like Russia will come out on top

Yea WW2 wasn't deadly at all...

Very underreported, but it looks like Melania Trump has managed to get the Donald to do a near 180 on Ukraine. Putin had been playing Trump for a complete fool and had just lied to his face about inking a peace deal then the next day he sent a massive wave of drones and missiles to Kyiv. This happened several times. Despite having Tulsi re-writing intelligence briefing to put a pro-Russian spin on everything, Melania apparently stepped in and convinced Trump that Putin could not be trusted and the US had to stop Russia in Ukraine or else Putin will just keep marching across Eastern Europe. Melania is from Slovenia. Slovenia had a similar trajectory as Ukraine. During WWII, Slovenia was taken over by the Nazis and the fascist Italians. The Soviets liberated Slovenia, but then crushed the country under collectivization and Tito's brutal rule. Slovenia broke from the Soviet Union in 1990 and later joined the EU and then NATO in 2004. Slovenians are in Putin's crosshairs because the country borders both Italy and Austria and has a very well developed port city on the Adriatic. If Ukraine falls and Hungary's Orban becomes Putin's poodle, Russian forces would be able to quickly sweep across Slovenia and return it to the Russian fold while gaining a lot of very significant strategic territory. While the Baltic states are probably first on Putin's post-Ukraine list, Slovenia and the rest of the Balkans are definitely in Russia's crosshairs for its next conquest.

Melania grew up in communist Yugoslavia and saw the country liberated in the late 80s. She saw Reagan as the hero in standing up to the Soviet Union and now sees Trump as the next Reagan to stand up to Putin. This has caused Trump to completely do a 180 on Ukraine. Trump is now threatening India for buying Russian oil and has sent Witkoff to Russia for a "last chance" effort to get a cease fire deal. Trump even moved two nuke subs closer to Russia and there is a bipartisan deal to approve more war funding for Ukraine in Congress. Amazingly, Putin's years' long efforts to influence MAGAworld into letting him run over Ukraine is evaporating in a matter of days as Melania has effectively taken control over US policy on Ukraine.

Russia already occupies parts of Georgia and Moldova.

“ohhh they are traditional russian areas, rebels need our help, they are being oppressed” and suddenly thousands of soldiers in blank uniforms appear in these small “rebel” areas….. sound familiar?

Russia is such a cancer.