TroLLminator wrote:
It's not being released because either
A) it will provide us with information directly conflicting the RV tracker data / blog entries / miles claimed
B) they need to massage it
C) they have no clue what they are doing and know that they have no back up for anything they've claimed, so providing GPS data will mean certain doom
D) all of the above
There is no data. The SPOT is their track log and their proof. That's it.
Arealpersson wrote:
Arealpersson wrote:Haha. You're messing with my mind now. I thought registering a name meant no one else could use it. But maybe I got that wrong.
Haha - yes, tricky interwebs - the irony is thicker than ever.
Haha. You are so right. Sorry, a bit slow on the uptake!
Frank got quicker during his run. Perhaps Frank will be there at the finish to congratulate the record breaker.
Arealpersson wrote:
There have been a lot of predictions on this thread. Think I'll make a couple.
If somebody shows up on the video that Asher is yet to release that fits Rob's description, suddenly the evidence that was initially a key part of the prosecution and supposedly clear evidence of cheating will be pronounced inconsequential.
By some of the goofier people around here, sure. By the rest of us, no, it will be a real thing. Which will lead to several follow-on questions, including: 1) why is his support van 15 minutes in front of him while running in the middle of the night (normally if you lose contact, you wait. It's the middle of the goddamn night), 2) why is it moving at the supposed runner's pace when there is no runner around and apparently hasn't been for some time to get 15 minutes ahead and 3) how does this fit into the "we were afraid of headlamp dude" narrative? Were the people in the winnebago frightened of being attacked by a pedestrian? While their runner, not knowing of this potential bad guy, is left who-knows-where to walk into the bad guy's trap?
The actions of the crew make no sense. But yes, if he was running then he was running.
If Laz says he thinks that Rob is legit, there will be several posts about beards and age apparently nullifying his opinion.
Well, the comments about old ultrarunners won't cease even if this discussion stops now. That's letsrun. But I think you may misunderstand what it might mean if Laz does say "legit!" (which it won't go exactly that way).
None of this explains the pace in the first weeks, how he managed to get out of the urban part of california intact, and that special day in the desert where he covered megamiles with no support whatsoever.
seems that this thread is starting to die now that it is proven that Rob was NOT cheating
Klukkluk wrote:
New video up, from the first week:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1025912397493018
Guys, why are we still questioning rob, we have now seen a total of 4ish minutes of rob running.
Heavyd84 wrote:
Klukkluk wrote:New video up, from the first week:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1025912397493018Guys, why are we still questioning rob, we have now seen a total of 4ish minutes of rob running.
Great, those starving children will get some relief after all
Great post from the ultralist this morning (James Mungall).
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I find the whole RY transcon thing profoundly dispiriting.
As has been made abundantly clear in this thread and others like it, there is no way to certify efforts like transcon "runs" and they are not adjudicated races with set courses and a field of competitors, run under the same conditions by everyone, so I wonder why anybody even tries to compare one such effort with another. This leads logically to the idea (in my mind, at least) that nobody should pay more than passing interest in what RY is doing because if it isn't comparable to other people's transcons in a rigorous way, it must therefore be a strictly personal challenge. Once we relegate it to personal challenge, it becomes no more or less interesting than anyone's training runs or journey runs or hiking expeditions. I put the whole FKT phenomenon into the same basket, and I am bored by the arguments among runners and their fans about who did what combination of peaks in California and whether or not their efforts were legit.
It has been a dream of mine since I was a teenager with maps taped all over my walls to hit the road and walk across Canada from Canso to Vancouver. The idea of making it a public event with boasting of records broken and heart-warming acts of sacrifice for the children would never have crossed my mind. Until a couple of years ago I wasn't even aware that this was a "thing" that people did to show off except for Terry Fox, who I regarded as a one-off with noble intentions. I would have done it as a purely personal challenge - in fact, less as a challenge than as an extended meditation on what it means to exist without the fetters of ordinary existence, just rising every day and feeling the wind and the sun and the rain along the road. I did it once for three weeks in Iceland and it was so addictive that I didn't want to stop. Ever. I would be doing it right now if I wasn't so attached to the people I live with. But I would not expect anyone else to be interested in what I was doing.
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately in the balance, those fetters of ordinary existence have always been strong enough to keep me at home and prevent me from doing the trip. I don't think I'll ever have the opportunity so it will remain a dream. My 19-year old son has begun to talk about it and maybe someday I'll live the dream vicariously if he decides to do it.
Peering behind the gaudy curtains masking RY's transcon attempt feels like peeping on someone doing something that should be intensely private but which by his own actions he has made extremely public. It has aspects of exhibitionism and voyeurism that I find impossible to look away from but which I wish I could simply ignore as if I had never become aware of it. (I often feel that way when I make my occasional forays into facebook, but that's another story.)
And yet, I've read every page on the letsrun thread and I want to know what Laz and RayK will tell us. The only merit our collective fascination might hold would be the protection of the gullible from whatever harm might result from fraudulent claims, if fraud were demonstrated to have occurred.
I guess that many of us are suckers for public spectacles of pride and humiliation, in a way that the internet has made possible as never before.
Jim
Also, I think the fact that Rob is still alive after running over halfway across the US on major highways and country roads late at night where many drunk rednecks drive is a testament to his protection from God. He is sent from above
Arealpersson wrote:
Arealpersson wrote:Haha - yes, tricky interwebs - the irony is thicker than ever.
Haha. You are so right. Sorry, a bit slow on the uptake!
So there you go! I think you understand now. That was my point about the irony in your initial post seeing as how you weren't posting "logged in" and it could be anyone...
Another skeptic wrote:
You mean this "Robert Hera"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Heras
"Riding with Lance Armstrong
From 2001, he raced alongside Lance Armstrong on the US Postal Service team"
Jehosephat wrote:
Arealpersson wrote:There have been a lot of predictions on this thread. Think I'll make a couple.
If somebody shows up on the video that Asher is yet to release that fits Rob's description, suddenly the evidence that was initially a key part of the prosecution and supposedly clear evidence of cheating will be pronounced inconsequential.
By some of the goofier people around here, sure. By the rest of us, no, it will be a real thing. Which will lead to several follow-on questions, including: 1) why is his support van 15 minutes in front of him while running in the middle of the night (normally if you lose contact, you wait. It's the middle of the goddamn night), 2) why is it moving at the supposed runner's pace when there is no runner around and apparently hasn't been for some time to get 15 minutes ahead and 3) how does this fit into the "we were afraid of headlamp dude" narrative? Were the people in the winnebago frightened of being attacked by a pedestrian? While their runner, not knowing of this potential bad guy, is left who-knows-where to walk into the bad guy's trap?
The actions of the crew make no sense. But yes, if he was running then he was running.
If Laz says he thinks that Rob is legit, there will be several posts about beards and age apparently nullifying his opinion.
Well, the comments about old ultrarunners won't cease even if this discussion stops now. That's letsrun. But I think you may misunderstand what it might mean if Laz does say "legit!" (which it won't go exactly that way).
None of this explains the pace in the first weeks, how he managed to get out of the urban part of california intact, and that special day in the desert where he covered megamiles with no support whatsoever.
All good questions and no I don't misunderstand that at all. There just seem to be a lot of people on this forum who do.
Afakepersson wrote:
Arealpersson wrote:Haha. You are so right. Sorry, a bit slow on the uptake!
So there you go! I think you understand now. That was my point about the irony in your initial post seeing as how you weren't posting "logged in" and it could be anyone...
Like I said slow on the uptake. New to this game and old but no beard.
boom goez the dynomite wrote:
seems that this thread is starting to die now that it is proven that Rob was NOT cheating
Did I miss something? Where - exactly - was it proven that he is not cheating?
Been away on a short vacation this weekend, left at pg20 and tried desperately to keep up. It required lots of skimming and putting up with comments from the wife about being on my phone too much. I was hoping yall would have this resolved by now so that I could actually get something done at work!.
Now eagerly awaiting the new Asher video, although I doubt it will be conclusive either way and will only muddy the waters. I suspect Rob was in the RV and got lucky that someone happened to walk by. I mean, his original comment was something like, "the van was ahead, I MIGHT be 15min behind, get video BEFORE or AFTER the RV passes and you MIGHT just see me." Well which was it, before or after. Sounds to me like someone being evasive and getting ready to defend why he wasn't on the video.
LRC is convinced this guy is a liar and a cheat, even if that specific stretch in Kansas is legit. The desert story is simply impossible, the false claims, the sketchy behavior. But his followers are not convinced. Why?
Kev / Persson, why do the false claims about his PRs and elite triathlon/cycling not change your opinion of Rob's character? Or do you simply not believe they are false despite all that has been shown?
Also, how do you rationalize the impossible splits when the RV was stuck?
boom goez the dynomite wrote:
seems that this thread is starting to die now that it is proven that Rob was NOT cheating
Did they hire you from the Hillary campaign with your experience in spreading lies and trying to control the conversation.
LOL
You sir are a loser.
rtucker6508 wrote:
boom goez the dynomite wrote:seems that this thread is starting to die now that it is proven that Rob was NOT cheating
Did I miss something? Where - exactly - was it proven that he is not cheating?
Duh. Read the thread.
Hello Runners,
My name is Larry Dierks. I am the Police Chief for Funkhouser IL and wanted you to be aware of our rules and regulations before entering my city. First of all, we don't take too kindly to skinny Europeans running through our fair village with US flags on their nether regions. 2nd. We will not tolerate any scofflaws running against traffic. 3rd. There will be no loud music whatsoever emitting from any RVs. (unless of course it is Garth Brooks-my favorite). Lastly, please stop by the 3rd building on the right. It is the sherrif's office, local church, Post office and liquor store all in one building. We would like to take a picture.
Remember, In Funkhouser IL we will Nip it, Nip it, Nip it in the Bud. Dont mess with the bull because you might get the horns,
Sgt Dierks
CoachKev wrote:
Secondly I'm sorry to tell you all that the mysterious Laz is not with Rob or his team as I asked them directly. Bill Schultz Gary and Ray are currently with him. They have not seen anyone called Laz or who resembles Laz.
So, this got glossed over. Bill Schultz is out there -- that's great! He has actually done a transcon run, and knows how it is supposed to go. Also like Laz he is an RD for ultras.
I talked to him this morning. He says (about Rob):
(1) he and his crew really don’t seem to have a sense for pacing
(2) He said he’s blistering ‘badly’.
(3) He hopes to stay out till noon and then get a hotel room thru the heat.
So, don't expect big miles today.
