Ive now heard back from TomTom who I messaged a few days ago and they are going to make contact with the RY team. Not sure if it will lead us anywhere but I tried.
Ive now heard back from TomTom who I messaged a few days ago and they are going to make contact with the RY team. Not sure if it will lead us anywhere but I tried.
GermanSpring wrote:
end of an era wrote:I live in Indianapolis but I don't know if I care enough to go look for him.
According to the map he's running on I-70? I sincerely hope he doesn't intend to do that through downtown Indy....what a mess.
If you watch his running, you'll see that the pre-planned route is just that, a planned route. What he does typically is take side-roads that run parallel to that main route. So there's a very good chance he won't be on I-70, but simply using that as his direction.
So if I want to go trail him, how would I find him?
goucherdays wrote:
Kip Litton
Mike Rossi
Robert Young
Cheating accusations and epic thread growth. LRC thanks you.
Note to self: need to monetize growth w/ viagra ad banners targeted to new ultra crowd.
Jeff Terry wrote:
BackUpRV Driver wrote:So, per his web site he was supposed to be in Indiana as of June 12. From what I can tell he is currently 103(ish) or so miles from the Indiana border currently. I am guessing he is way off pace now that he is truly running and unable to make up pace/time/days due to not being able to hop in the RV since he is being watched like a hawk.
So, is he now off of the World Record Pace for this attempt? If so, by how much?
Seen an earlier post about him needing to go 70 miles per day until he gets to Times Square - is this still holding true?
Also, I was reading that he had this incredible - out of this world pace - crossing the western mountain regions. So, why is he unable to get the pace back up now that he is in rolling flatlands?
Does he have any hilly regions to negotiate before new york?
No more maps in the UK? No wonder you're in decline.
Arealpersson wrote:
Judge won't budge wrote:Throwing out this question: what is a fitting punishement for his alleged 'crimes' here?
Ok we site back for now and let all the evidence (or lack of) come in, be analyzed and verdicts reached. If it becomes clear beyond reasonable doubt that his claims of completing this (with or without achiveing the record) are proven false then what will actually happen?
Will he be allowed to continue with his status of being a hero and champion of childrens charities cheered on by his many fans on facebook?
Will he be allowed to continue to claim his previous records ie. sub 31 10K etc?
Will he continue to profit directly from his book sales even if he is exposed as a fraud?
Will he be ostracised from the running community?
Will he be ostracised from the charity community?
Will he be ostracised from the general public at large?
It seems to me that if found to be gulity of fabricating many of his athletic accomplishments then an example must be made of him and expose him to the full glare of the media to prevent other would be 'heros' from ever attempting something like this again. I wouldn't care so much if he was just doing this just to boost his ego but he is actually making a mockery of charities here and this is the key point here. He is in a way committing fraud by taking sponsorship deals and money from genuine people who accept his achievements at face value with no questions asked.
I am completely sick and tired of the great sport of running being totally abused by outright cheaters who seem to take advantage of the fact that most people will never question things. For me, this guy has gone way too far this time and deserves everything that is coming his way.
The case continues to build against him and he is now damned by his own silence and lack of credible data. Once all the evidence has been weighed up, I'm sure there will be quite a few media outlets rather interested in highlighting this. I could see the BBC's Jeremy Vine running with a story like this on primetime UK radio time.
Rob, give it up buddy, it's time to come clean now and admit to everything you have falsely claimed. It's better you do this now than to continue this as it will only get worse for you from here on.
Stop walking, get in the van, check into a nice hotel for a couple of nights. Once rested, release a video owning up to these lies and issue an apology to the many you have duped throughout all of this.
It's not too late to reveal the truth and walk away with at least some dignity in tact.
And if he's shown to be running legitimately will there be any consequences for the people hiding behind their fake names and accusing him of cheating before he's even finished the thing. In guessing not.
Oh, the irony!
LRC staff wrote:
goucherdays wrote:Kip Litton
Mike Rossi
Robert Young
Cheating accusations and epic thread growth. LRC thanks you.
Note to self: need to monetize growth w/ viagra ad banners targeted to new ultra crowd.
Don't forget ads for adult nappies.
New video up, from the first week:
Film at 11:00? wrote:
His latest tweet reads something like,
"Day 30, 51 miles covered, with friends, getting my mojo back."
Most likely these turtle geezers are showing him how to really cheat.
beard scratcher wrote:
"And if he's shown to be running legitimately will there be any consequences for the people hiding behind their fake names and accusing him of cheating before he's even finished the thing. In guessing not."
says "Arealperson", oh the irony.
While I'm at it, this has probably been mentioned but shout out to Asher for starting this whole thing AND being a real person using his REAL name.
Stingers Up! Go Hornets.
This shows that people with beards are stupid like dogshit
LRC staff wrote:
goucherdays wrote:Kip Litton
Mike Rossi
Robert Young
Cheating accusations and epic thread growth. LRC thanks you.
Note to self: need to monetize growth w/ viagra ad banners targeted to new ultra crowd.
Don't forget vibrams and fanny packs.
It's all running wrote:
And actually, no, I don't want or need anyone to explain it. It's just so incredibly juvenile, no matter what the purported "reason".
I guess you're new to LR.
Klukkluk wrote:
New video up, from the first week:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1025912397493018
Fantastic! He's not even breaking a sweat out there in the scorching sun at 3:40. What a hero!
CoachKev wrote:
I don't think this adds anything to the discussion thus far. It's clear that RY has running ability. All this shows is that he has run an average of just under 75 miles per day for 2 days. It says *nothing* about his ability to sustain a high mileage on the roads for umpteen days at a time, however.
There's a massive difference between saying somebody 'could' do something and confirming that somebody 'has' done something.
As it happens, I remain open minded about this all, although I admit that the evidence presented so far doesn't do RY any favours. It should be so, so easy to resolve, however.
I don't think posting shorter distance race times shows anything other than the ability to run a fast race but many people are focusing on that.
He is confirming he can run distance repeatedly but doing this live right now[/quote]
I agree he his moving across the country, but not on a real-time "live" basis. Let's not pretend that Rob is being transparent. Right now, the only thing he/team have proven to the world is that his body and an RV are moving slowly across the USA, and it's not even close to being "live" as you say. I will admit at this point it will be impossible for him to prove he ran the whole way until now. Basically, he's dammed, but not because some trolls on LRC started to question him. If evidence is presented supporting his claims then he has nothing to worry about. However, no one here should be apologizing for anything. Since when are people not allowed to call BS on something when they see it?
We've seen enough real evidence to reasonably believe he cheated. People are sent to prison for life based on much more limited circumstantial evidence. No, I'm not comparing him to a murderer nor am I saying he committed a crime, but he's making a claim and we are seeing circumstantial evidence that contradicts that claim. Rob cannot prove he's run the whole way. We also cannot prove he hasn't (for now), but we can prove some of his claims are mathematically and physically impossible. So unless he provides evidence to explain or clarify his bogus claims and put us back at his word vs ours, we have plenty reason to believe he's cheating.
Remember, it is very possible for a human male to run a 3:11 marathon, but based on his past performance and fitness level, it would have been impossible for Mike Rossi to have run 3:11 on September 7th, 2014. Similarly, it's not impossible to run 3 consecutively faster marathons within 30 hours. However, it would have been impossible for Rob, given his past performance and couch potato fitness level at the time, to have done that, ending with a 3:xx. Shall I also go into the whole desert blog entry? One has to deranged or completely ignorant to believe that would have been possible.
Congrats to LetsRun for a mention on irunfar.com and their "Weekly roundup"!!
Robert Young Transcontinental Run – Illinois
The U.K.’s Robert Young is over halfway across America on his transcontinental run, and is said to be ahead of Guinness world record pace (46 days, 1980). The sleuths at LetsRun.com however have questioned the validity of Young’s run, pleading for greater evidence after Young couldn’t be located outside of his support RV as it moved on the road at what looked to be a runner’s pace sans runner, a scene also captured on video. Although the LetsRun.com message board is generally fueled on speculation and anonymity, it has had success in outing marathon cheaters in several instances previously. Young has responded online detailing the measures he has taken to prove his run, though the message board and others have encouraged Young to go a step further and upload his GPS data to Strava. A veteran team of ultrarunners have also pledged to spend a week by Young’s side to confirm or deny his record pace. The discussion on LetsRun.com, with dozens of different argument and counters, has stretched to more than 100 pages.
Klukkluk wrote:
New video up, from the first week:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1025912397493018
At the end he agrees with the statement that he has averaged 58 miles a day for the first 8 days. This appears to tie up with the blog comment
"That was the end of the first week and Rob had managed to run 410 miles, an average of 58.6 miles a day, 3.6 miles more than his target daily mileage."
but wasn't there some reference somewhere to him doing 80+ days in that period? Or was that later?
Also I calculated the record rate required at 67 miles a day overall.
Irony wrote:
Arealpersson wrote:And if he's shown to be running legitimately will there be any consequences for the people hiding behind their fake names and accusing him of cheating before he's even finished the thing. In guessing not.
Oh, the irony!
Not another one! I'll see if I can get in first this time! Keep up and go over the last couple of pages.
GermanSpring wrote:
end of an era wrote:I live in Indianapolis but I don't know if I care enough to go look for him.
According to the map he's running on I-70? I sincerely hope he doesn't intend to do that through downtown Indy....what a mess.
If you watch his running, you'll see that the pre-planned route is just that, a planned route. What he does typically is take side-roads that run parallel to that main route. So there's a very good chance he won't be on I-70, but simply using that as his direction.
Indeed. In most states (Missouri being an exception), it is illegal to be a pedestrian on an Interstate. There's no chance he's running along I-70 through Indiana and absolutely not through downtown Indy without a special permit... which based on the quality of his crew and planning so far, there's no way he has (or would have received anyway, even if asked).
If he is smart, and I mean this sincerely, he will avoid the biggest city in Indiana entirely IF his goal is to click off the miles and avoid traffic.
There is a lot of fuzzy math. They never expected anyone to question anything they are doing. I feel like every piece of data we get our hands on will be conflicting and won't help his case. Hence why we're not getting much. We have RV tracker data to look at and we have maps, so we know for sure where the RV has been and how fast/long it's travelled. Assuming Rob is traveling at least near the RV, analysis of the blog entry plus data tells us he definitely did not run at least some of the miles logged. One cannot logically come to a different conclusion. I guess when he provides the data a year from now it will all line up perfectly.
CoachKev wrote:
This is your chance to apologise for setting this whole thing up Asher. You know you have been rumbled and you should now be humble and lets all let Rob do his running and look at the other aspects post run. Your video is a fraud as you know so you should be gracious and apolgise.
Why don't you get in touch with your boy and have him tell us what he was wearing the night in question instead of demanding apologies?
Arealpersson wrote:
Irony wrote:Oh, the irony!
Not another one! I'll see if I can get in first this time! Keep up and go over the last couple of pages.
I guess you don't understand how this whole interwebz works...
...see what I did there?
Anyone can do that.