DiscoGary wrote:
Wait. If nothing was done incorrectly then why the need for extraordinary steps? What was extraordinary is the raiding of the President's lawyer while the lawyer was already cooperating..
Yup, the same attorney who cooperated with tRump to destroy documents demanded by court order. Sure, let's keep trusting that clown-lawyer to not pull the same stunt to protect the guy he would take a bullet for.
Flagpole wrote:
Psychooo... wrote:
LOL!! WTF are you on, bruh?
No, what are YOU on?
Flynn- Lying, not registering, meeting with foreigners when he shouldn't have.
Gates- Lying, tax stuff. Similar to Manafort.
Manafort- Tax stuff, long history of being a dirty lobbyist. All pre-2016.
Papadopolous- Lying
13 Russian nationals- LOL!
Richard Pinedo- Who? Selling back accounts.
Alex van der Zwaan- Seriously? Lying to prosecutors again.
Michael Cohen (via the Southern District in NY) including evidence that Cohen met with Russians in Prague in 2016.- There's actual evidence that he wasn't there (like his passport, and where he actually was at that time).
Corrections made above. I love that people actually buy the 13 Russian nationals thing. You guys going to follow that story until they're charged and punished? Please give us updates. LOL
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Yes, if campaign finance violations is all he is charged with, Trump's presidency will survive.
But no laws about attorney-client privilege have been changed or undermined. Every law concerning attorney-client privilege has been followed. Yesterday's hearing was an extraordinary step to make doubly-sure that attorney-client privilege remains intact and protected.
That's how we do it in America.
Wait. If nothing was done incorrectly then why the need for extraordinary steps? What was extraordinary is the raiding of the President's lawyer while the lawyer was already cooperating. It would never happen to a Democrat. Everyone knows that. Everyone sees the double-standard and the injustice here.
Extraordinary steps were taken because Trump's legal team asked for them. It is Trump's right to ask for these steps and so we went though the hearing in order for his rights to be protected.
And other attorneys do get raided from time to time. And yes, it happens to Democrats as well as Republicans. There is no double-standard.
But the best thing about this all being done in a methodical and legal manner is that conspiracy nuts like you don't have a leg to stand on.
DiscoGary wrote:
Criminal Trump wrote:
Ah, the pain of working for a criminal, like Trump.
No. That's the pain of living in a banana republic where the swamp dwellers refuse to accept the results of a free election.
Trump has not been charged with a crime. The original accusation that he colluded with Russia to steal the election from Hillary is now a national joke. We have to assume that our corrupt IRS has gone through all his tax returns and can find no wrong doing there. The latest leak is that they will go after Trump for a possible $130,000 campaign finance violation. If that's all they got, then Trump will survive and the establishment will have destroyed attorney/client privilege and undermined our system of justice for nothing.
Dude...wow. The joke is in the White House. He's a criminal. Why do you insist on saying that whatever the latest thing is that that is the ONLY thing? Very weird....AND wrong. Also, why is it that after repeated attempts at explaining what attorney/client privilege is that you can't get it through your head that this was completely legal what they did and does not violate that?
Undermine our system of justice? Are you even freakin' kidding? Trump berates anyone or any entity that so much as looks sideways at him and says they need to be put in jail. The President isn't the one who gets to say who goes to jail. That's not how our system works. He is the absolutely biggest threat to our justice system ever...a lawless president who believes he is above the law.
The crimes charges are coming. I'm sure you won't accept them then.
Donald Trump is a corrupt person and has been for decades. He is amoral. The truth IS going to come out. The sooner you accept this, the better.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
One side says it’s a witch hunt.
The other side is drooling at the possibility of impeachment.
Reminds me again of the investigation against Bill Clinton, which took much longer than the current one against Trump.
Obstruction has been clear since he supposedly told Comey “I hope you can let this go”, then fired him and fired Flynn. Still, hard to prove. Clinton obstructed Justice as well but it again couldn’t be proven.
Alan
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
The best attorneys won't represent him because they can not afford to have their careers ended by a midnight FBI, which would reveal all their other clients' privileged communications. This violation of attorney client privilege has made it much more difficult for Trump to find legal representation. We live in a lawless banana republic.
In a lawless banana republic, the president and his associates are never investigated in the first place.
Here in America, nobody is above the law.
Exactly. We need LAW AND ORDER in this country. You look at what’s happening in CHICAGO. You look at what’s happening in BALTIMORE. You look at what’s happening with TRUMP. This country is a mess. A DISASTER. We need LAW AND ORDER.
And no, in America we don’t grant exceptions to flamboyant men who wear makeup. Lock him up.
breit leit wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
This violation of attorney client privilege has made it much more difficult for Trump to find legal representation. We live in a lawless banana republic.
This is simply false.
Not only that, but Hannity claims he was never a client in any formal sense. If it's true or not, Baghdad Bob just helped Cohen get out of revealing more important names in front of the judge.
That won't stop the wailing and moaning of the Dear Leader's minions because the Dear Leader is above the law.
Runningart2004 wrote:
The other side is drooling at the possibility of impeachment.
It's click-bait. I think people with a good handle on how Congress works knows that it's not likely. Legally, few understand how obstruction charges could play out with Presidential privileges. I certainly don't.
It's entirely possible Trump serves two terms. The Democratic party needs to have a much better game and a better candidate for 2020. So far, it seems like that's not happening.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
The other side is drooling at the possibility of impeachment.
It's click-bait. I think people with a good handle on how Congress works knows that it's not likely. Legally, few understand how obstruction charges could play out with Presidential privileges. I certainly don't.
It's entirely possible Trump serves two terms. The Democratic party needs to have a much better game and a better candidate for 2020. So far, it seems like that's not happening.
Your assumption is that Republicans have a better game plan. What plan is that? To keep running the same old white men? Many of them are opting out. New political blood is rushing in and that is on the Democrat side,. Meanwhile the Republicans are in stasis --old blood--, which is not sustainable for the long-term. The nod goes to the Democrats in the future. Republicans need a new blood reboot and that is not happening.
old white men wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
It's click-bait. I think people with a good handle on how Congress works knows that it's not likely. Legally, few understand how obstruction charges could play out with Presidential privileges. I certainly don't.
It's entirely possible Trump serves two terms. The Democratic party needs to have a much better game and a better candidate for 2020. So far, it seems like that's not happening.
Your assumption is that Republicans have a better game plan. What plan is that? To keep running the same old white men?
I would assume that the GOP will run Trump in 2020, considering that incumbent presidents have won reelection nearly every time in the past few decades. Granted, I don't think he would win, but it's hard to say what conditions will be like 2.5 years from now.
Count Chocula wrote:
old white men wrote:
Your assumption is that Republicans have a better game plan. What plan is that? To keep running the same old white men?
I would assume that the GOP will run Trump in 2020, considering that incumbent presidents have won reelection nearly every time in the past few decades. Granted, I don't think he would win, but it's hard to say what conditions will be like 2.5 years from now.
I don't see Trump winning in 2020, if he runs at all. He cannot change his spots --he will not change--, so political havoc will continue for the next two-years.
What I think will happen is that Dems will take over the House and the Senate. Trump's agenda will die. He won't try to change anything. He will only try veto anything the Dems try to pass. Meanwhile, his entire remaining years will be spent tweeting. watching TV, and playing golf.
Trump's Spots wrote:
Count Chocula wrote:
I would assume that the GOP will run Trump in 2020, considering that incumbent presidents have won reelection nearly every time in the past few decades. Granted, I don't think he would win, but it's hard to say what conditions will be like 2.5 years from now.
I don't see Trump winning in 2020, if he runs at all. He cannot change his spots --he will not change--, so political havoc will continue for the next two-years.
What I think will happen is that Dems will take over the House and the Senate. Trump's agenda will die. He won't try to change anything. He will only try veto anything the Dems try to pass. Meanwhile, his entire remaining years will be spent tweeting. watching TV, and playing golf.
That's optimistic. Who even knows who the Democratic candidate will be? I know many Trump voters that are just happy to see liberals' heads spin and will gladly pull the lever for Trump again.
breit leit wrote:
That's optimistic. Who even knows who the Democratic candidate will be? I know many Trump voters that are just happy to see liberals' heads spin and will gladly pull the lever for Trump again.
Not optimistic in the least. 2-1/2 years before the 2016 election Trump was not running for office. It was less then 1-1/2 years before when he tweeted he would run.
I have seen how utterly homely jamin, Hardloper, mal-mold are in person. Each and every one of them were beaten silly with an ugly stick, and make these women look like international supermodels, just saying.
NonHillaryVoter wrote:
Comey family are hillary lovers!!!!!!!!
http://www.informationliberation.com/files/comey-family-supported-hillary-womens-march.jpgWow!!! Unbelievably gross looking hillary lovers!!!!!
I have seen truthiness wrote:
I have seen how utterly homely jamin, Hardloper, mal-mold are in person. Each and every one of them were beaten silly with an ugly stick, and make these women look like international supermodels, just saying.
NonHillaryVoter wrote:
Comey family are hillary lovers!!!!!!!!
http://www.informationliberation.com/files/comey-family-supported-hillary-womens-march.jpgWow!!! Unbelievably gross looking hillary lovers!!!!!
in the case of jamin and hardloper - two of the most vocal trump supporters on these forums -, they claim they rarely bother to comment on this thread. But other political threads they are quick to post their support for the orange one. so, it is up to you to believe they rarely post here, or believe as i do, that they have made thousands of posts on this thread using temporary handles, and in many cases stealing handles in their attempts to discredit non-trumpers.
i fully expect one, or both, of the those 'boys' to steal this handle and launch an attack - very soon since they both love to post while they pretend to work for their employers.
DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Wrong - I would be prepared to give him some credit*. China sees NK as an easy fix to stroke Trump's ego.
*decades of increased isolation, poverty, and failed attempts to build a nuclear weapon has pushed the North to consider a more diplomatic solution.
... and Reagan had nothing to do with winning the Cold War. yeah, yeah. We know all about the alternate history inside the maze.
Sorry dude, but if NK buckles in the near future then Trump rakes the whole pot. There's just no other way to spin it.
I hope NK buckles, no matter who is responsible, but that is very unlikely. What is likely is that they are playing Trump and will do a 180 any second.
L L wrote:
Hambean MacLanahan wrote:
Us on the Left, to be clear. We point the finger way too much and should take the time to look in the mirror. We on the left have major problems, which is why we lost to Trump.
Democrats lost to Trump because they are concentrated in too few states, where Republicans are more spread out.
Millions more voted for Hillary than for Trump.
If a number of people moved from California to Florida and from New York to Pennsylvania then Trump loses with people casting the exact same ballots.
Ha, ha!!!!! You're moving people to different states??? Now I've heard it all:):):) That is stupid logic, I mean really bad.
So then, if a number of people moved from Texas to New Hampshire and from Utah to Vermont, Trump wins Vermont and New Hampshire. Kinda like you just did there ole' fella:)
She won the popular vote by about 2.8 million. She won California alone by more than 4.2million. No state on either side was won with that kind of dominance.
Take that state out of it and Trump wins the popular vote by MILLIONS.
Moving people to other states??? You are bordering on mental dude! Seek help.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
breit leit wrote:
This is simply false.
Not only that, but Hannity claims he was never a client in any formal sense. If it's true or not, Baghdad Bob just helped Cohen get out of revealing more important names in front of the judge.
That won't stop the wailing and moaning of the Dear Leader's minions because the Dear Leader is above the law.
Hannity is a new member of the swamp, via special invitation from Trump. He's worth $30M btw, so not shocking if he's getting on some Trumpian activities.
Count Chocula wrote:
old white men wrote:
Your assumption is that Republicans have a better game plan. What plan is that? To keep running the same old white men?
I would assume that the GOP will run Trump in 2020, considering that incumbent presidents have won reelection nearly every time in the past few decades. Granted, I don't think he would win, but it's hard to say what conditions will be like 2.5 years from now.
The timing of the investigation announcements will complicate that situation to the max. There will be a public split of opinion on this within the GOP. Plus, any Republican is free to run against him for the nomination, it is not automatic and given the opportunity set there will be challengers. Trump will have to triple down on his strategy and will go down in flames in the process. The 15% of the base that includes the likes of Gary will stick with him but not the rest.
ZZZ another Republican being a snake in this case the handle thief.
