Let's analyze this without the emotions. We all know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is going to carry out terrorism when possible. So the expectation is that an at-risk country like Israel needs to secure itself. So yes while Hamas is completely responsible for the massacre, it should have been prevented by Israel. We also have proof in recent history that you can't beat terrorists with bombs and open warfare. The world is also aware that Palestinians live restricted and cr@ppy lives due to limitations imposed by Israel and being ruled by Hamas. So an optimal response here should not involve the mass killing of Palestinian civilians or what is increasingly looking like indiscriminate bombings. Oh, and it might not be smart to drop bombs on hostages. They should have paused, focused on the mourning, solicited as much international support as possible, then with cool heads (what leaders of democracy are supposed to do) come out with a reasonable and surgical plan for removing Hamas. This was all shoot first and don't even ask questions later.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
That's the MSM brother... and if you haven't forgotten, our 9/11 response was a complete disaster so that is a terrible analogy.
The response was a disaster because the US wasn't committed to finishing the job and refused to use enough troops to actually kill off the Taliban.
Israel is committed to finishing the job once and for all.
In Iraq, the failures were political not military. 85% of the population was thrilled to be rid of Saddam.
Lolz, we are the US, not North Korea or Hamas. The IDF announced they were about to commit war crimes and started carrying it out. Yeah, like heck we were going to walk into that behind them and have the whole region plunge into war. Use your head.
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Trollminator wrote:
Let's analyze this without the emotions. We all know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is going to carry out terrorism when possible. So the expectation is that an at-risk country like Israel needs to secure itself. So yes while Hamas is completely responsible for the massacre, it should have been prevented by Israel. We also have proof in recent history that you can't beat terrorists with bombs and open warfare. The world is also aware that Palestinians live restricted and cr@ppy lives due to limitations imposed by Israel and being ruled by Hamas. So an optimal response here should not involve the mass killing of Palestinian civilians or what is increasingly looking like indiscriminate bombings. Oh, and it might not be smart to drop bombs on hostages. They should have paused, focused on the mourning, solicited as much international support as possible, then with cool heads (what leaders of democracy are supposed to do) come out with a reasonable and surgical plan for removing Hamas. This was all shoot first and don't even ask questions later.
Sounds you think any woman who isn't in a burka deserves to be raped. Or do you only use this idiotic victim blaming "non-emotional" logic when Jews are involved?
ISIS was obliterated with bombs and open warfare. You can destroy any enemy with violence if you're committed enough.
If you were more clever you'd understand that you're advocating for and condoning hostage taking and human shields.
Only when Palestinians figure out that Hamas cares LESS about them than even Israel does will this problem have even the faintest hope of resolution.
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Trollminator wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The response was a disaster because the US wasn't committed to finishing the job and refused to use enough troops to actually kill off the Taliban.
Israel is committed to finishing the job once and for all.
In Iraq, the failures were political not military. 85% of the population was thrilled to be rid of Saddam.
Lolz, we are the US, not North Korea or Hamas. The IDF announced they were about to commit war crimes and started carrying it out. Yeah, like heck we were going to walk into that behind them and have the whole region plunge into war. Use your head.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The US doesn't have to lift a finger for Israel to wipe out Hamas.
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Trollminator wrote:
Let's analyze this without the emotions. We all know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is going to carry out terrorism when possible. So the expectation is that an at-risk country like Israel needs to secure itself. So yes while Hamas is completely responsible for the massacre, it should have been prevented by Israel. We also have proof in recent history that you can't beat terrorists with bombs and open warfare. The world is also aware that Palestinians live restricted and cr@ppy lives due to limitations imposed by Israel and being ruled by Hamas. So an optimal response here should not involve the mass killing of Palestinian civilians or what is increasingly looking like indiscriminate bombings. Oh, and it might not be smart to drop bombs on hostages. They should have paused, focused on the mourning, solicited as much international support as possible, then with cool heads (what leaders of democracy are supposed to do) come out with a reasonable and surgical plan for removing Hamas. This was all shoot first and don't even ask questions later.
No one will take Israel seriously again after this. Or the US for that matter. Waning power was exposed on global stage. And you can't blame Biden for all of it. Trump set the US on this hesitant pacifist prevarication policy. As Ray Davies said "Give the people what they want."
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Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Let's analyze this without the emotions. We all know Hamas is a terrorist organization that is going to carry out terrorism when possible. So the expectation is that an at-risk country like Israel needs to secure itself. So yes while Hamas is completely responsible for the massacre, it should have been prevented by Israel. We also have proof in recent history that you can't beat terrorists with bombs and open warfare. The world is also aware that Palestinians live restricted and cr@ppy lives due to limitations imposed by Israel and being ruled by Hamas. So an optimal response here should not involve the mass killing of Palestinian civilians or what is increasingly looking like indiscriminate bombings. Oh, and it might not be smart to drop bombs on hostages. They should have paused, focused on the mourning, solicited as much international support as possible, then with cool heads (what leaders of democracy are supposed to do) come out with a reasonable and surgical plan for removing Hamas. This was all shoot first and don't even ask questions later.
No one will take Israel seriously again after this. Or the US for that matter. Waning power was exposed on global stage. And you can't blame Biden for all of it. Trump set the US on this hesitant pacifist prevarication policy. As Ray Davies said "Give the people what they want."
They are laughing for sure. Bibi should be done.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Lolz, we are the US, not North Korea or Hamas. The IDF announced they were about to commit war crimes and started carrying it out. Yeah, like heck we were going to walk into that behind them and have the whole region plunge into war. Use your head.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The US doesn't have to lift a finger for Israel to wipe out Hamas.
Are you stupid? Israel is our puppet state in the region. We finance them and they follow our lead (most of the time)... but in this case the leash came loose for a moment and Bibi lost control. There is no possible scenario that Israel drops a nuke or invades to occupy without our blessing first. I don't even need to argue this - it's in the history.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
And that's not to call out political sides honestly.. it's a basic problem of dehumanizing others. When that is done by leaders, it's like a green light to commit violent acts against others. This is predominantly why I hate how Israel has officially reacted here.. they started by calling Palestinians animals. I expect more from the only democracy in the region.
The "leaders" on the Palestinian side are simply following the koran. Good luck convincing muslims that your opinion should trump the koran.
People who kille babies in their cribs and perform gang rape at music festivals before mass executions ARE ANIMALS even if it hurts your feelings to have your buddies called out this way.
And Israel is following the old testament in thinking that is "their" land and to kill everyone and the livestock
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Trollminator wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The US doesn't have to lift a finger for Israel to wipe out Hamas.
Are you stupid? Israel is our puppet state in the region. We finance them and they follow our lead (most of the time)... but in this case the leash came loose for a moment and Bibi lost control. There is no possible scenario that Israel drops a nuke or invades to occupy without our blessing first. I don't even need to argue this - it's in the history.
There's a big difference between not getting in the way and participating.
Israel is one of the richest countries in the region despite having a tiny population. They would be just fine even if we never sent them another dime.
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458777 wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The "leaders" on the Palestinian side are simply following the koran. Good luck convincing muslims that your opinion should trump the koran.
People who kille babies in their cribs and perform gang rape at music festivals before mass executions ARE ANIMALS even if it hurts your feelings to have your buddies called out this way.
And Israel is following the old testament in thinking that is "their" land and to kill everyone and the livestock
Your stupid is showing again. You're just saying things while having absolutely no idea why you're saying them.
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Trollminator wrote:
Otto Shiskanian wrote:
No one will take Israel seriously again after this. Or the US for that matter. Waning power was exposed on global stage. And you can't blame Biden for all of it. Trump set the US on this hesitant pacifist prevarication policy. As Ray Davies said "Give the people what they want."
They are laughing for sure. Bibi should be done.
Yeah. Netanyahu is done. He's the Israeli Jimmy Carter now. Waffle iron in a turnstile.
So Iran calls the shots in the Middle East now. Incredible. Who would have thunked it? Ayatollah K. is looking down from Jannah with great pleasure.
II don't know, man. For many Americans, I think this may end up a "be careful what you wish for" type situation in hindsight.
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Israel just bombed a hospital, killing hundreds. Baby In The Room must be overjoyed.
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Israel orders the people in Northern Gaza to go to the South.
Then bombs Southern Gaza killing at least 70 plus people.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Lolz, we are the US, not North Korea or Hamas. The IDF announced they were about to commit war crimes and started carrying it out. Yeah, like heck we were going to walk into that behind them and have the whole region plunge into war. Use your head.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The US doesn't have to lift a finger for Israel to wipe out Hamas.
This is the only thing that you said was true...."The US doesn't have to lift a finger for Israel to wipe out Hamas."
We have already given them (Israel) tons of money for decades. If they decide to wipe out Hamas, they will also kill millions of Palestinians in the process.
Israel and Palestine have been a complete cluster F forever.
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We have to do terrorism to stop terrorism wrote:
Israel just bombed a hospital, killing hundreds. Baby In The Room must be overjoyed.
Hamas put their HQ under the hospital to manipulate idiots like yourself.
Every single civilian death in Gaza is on the hands of Hamas.
No one is more "overjoyed" when Palestinian babies die than Hamas.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Hamas put their HQ under the hospital to manipulate idiots like yourself.
Every single civilian death in Gaza is on the hands of Hamas.
No one is more "overjoyed" when Palestinian babies die than Hamas.
No, civilian deaths are on the people who dropped the bombs on them. You scum.
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Otto Shiskanian wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
They are laughing for sure. Bibi should be done.
Yeah. Netanyahu is done. He's the Israeli Jimmy Carter now. Waffle iron in a turnstile.
So Iran calls the shots in the Middle East now. Incredible. Who would have thunked it? Ayatollah K. is looking down from Jannah with great pleasure.
II don't know, man. For many Americans, I think this may end up a "be careful what you wish for" type situation in hindsight.
From the US perspective, I think we are better off... we can continue to fund Israel and hope their future leaders actually secure the borders and master intel again. Iran is going to keep competing with the Saudis for dominance - nothing we can do about that. Getting behind Israel in some major regional conflict is a lose-lose for us.
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Trollminator wrote:
From the US perspective, I think we are better off... we can continue to fund Israel and hope their future leaders actually secure the borders and master intel again. Iran is going to keep competing with the Saudis for dominance - nothing we can do about that. Getting behind Israel in some major regional conflict is a lose-lose for us.
Is it too much to ask to stop the Settlements?
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We have to do terrorism to stop terrorism wrote:
Israel just bombed a hospital, killing hundreds. Baby In The Room must be overjoyed.
Yeah, except the BAPTIST hospital alleged to have been bombed is still standing.
You guys won. You won the hearts and minds battle in the media. Israel and US have completely backed off and slunk away hemming and hawing about meetings. Do you really need to keep up the fake news and false flags barrage? Post about that Palestinian kid in Chicago or something.
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We have to do terrorism to stop terrorism wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Hamas put their HQ under the hospital to manipulate idiots like yourself.
Every single civilian death in Gaza is on the hands of Hamas.
No one is more "overjoyed" when Palestinian babies die than Hamas.
No, civilian deaths are on the people who dropped the bombs on them. You scum.
Why don't all armies go into combat with civilians strapped to their vehicles then? If you can't shoot at civilians no matter what we should keep a nursery on every navy ship. Every war plane should have a kid section.
Hamas surrounds its military targets with civilians for the specific purpose of using their deaths to manipulate idiots like you.
Grow the F up you naive clown.
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