Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Actually it's Ukrainians defending their country from invasion who are the ones killing all those Russian boys .

The telegram videos of the border incursions by russia today are rough. They launched at least two large cross border attacks, and started by shelling many ukrainian civilians in formerly peaceful border areas. Russia continues to be a terrorist nation. The 47th and 52nd mechanized pushed both groups back and destroyed a lot of russian equipment (around 20 tanks and apcs total) but those communities will never be the same with the civillian losses. Ukraine deployed several reserve battalions to shore up the places they recaptured.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/12/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kharkiv.html

"Russian Forces Push Deeper Into Northern Ukraine
With Ukrainian troops outnumbered, exhausted and now in retreat near Kharkiv, many Ukrainians wonder if the war has taken a significant turn for the worse"

The war took a significant turn for the worse when the supply of western weaponry to Ukraine was largely cut off.

The Kharkiv offensive escalates the situation because, according to rules attached to the use of western weaponry, Ukraine can't effectively attack Russian troop concentrations and supply lines on the Russian side of the border. Nor are they currently permitted to use western anti-aircraft capabilities against glide bomb attacks launched from Russian airspace.

The Russians are exploiting this asymmetry in the rules of engagement to gain a tactical advantage.

That's not to say the Ukrainians don't have plenty of other issues, notably manpower, but the west needs to decide if they're willing to do what Ukraine needs to stop Russian offensive operations.

I follow the war extremely closely and am in contact with troops on the ground, and have financed some small things for certain units I admire. Here’s the honest breakdown:

Ukraine could lose within a year

Russia can’t sustain this more than 2-3 years

Ukraine has a huge military at the moment, but not as big as russia’s. Russia has ammassed a new 100,000 man battle group near Belogrod, partially composed of African and Chinese prisoners they have gotten (yes, check russian telegram- many chinese soldiers in ukraine fresh from chinese labor camps, donated to russia by the CCP). It’s like a game of Risk- Russia has more men on the border, and anywhere Ukraine moves men, they make another area weaker. They have reserve units training and units resting obviously, but they keep having to re-deploy exhausted brigades lately. If Ukrainian F-16s, HIMARS, and other new western weapons can stem the recent russian gains, there is hope. Ukrainian pilots have been training on F-16s for about a year now and the first modernized jets are slated to arrive in safe west ukrainian air bases in June. However if they don’t give them enough support, Kyiv could fall within a year or two or less.

On the russian side, they absolutely cannot sustain this war for much longer. It’s not even an opinion at this point. Ukrainian drones have reduced Russian domestic oil production by 17% so far (they hit another refinery yesterday) and they have hit refineries as far as 1,200km deep into russia. They have also been sending suicide sabatoge teams to shoot down russian jets inside russia, like that massive bomber 2 weeks ago. Russia’s armored vehicle and tank losses massively outpace their domestic production capabilities- eventually they will run out of tanks and APC’s, and soon. Even with their economy on its “war footing” they lose 10x more tanks than they make per day, sometimes. Same with jets, ships, and helicopters- they have lost huge numbers. 27 major surface warships is the current tally, about a third of the entire anti-NATO black sea fleet, which has been forced to leave crimea entirely since the waters are swarming with ukrainian drones. The one thing Russia has is men.

Regardless, the ukrainians have exposed Russia, and the Trump party, as the monsters they are.

The Ukrainians are FORCED to defend their country. by the forced US taxpayer via votes by the current regime.

let’s all make sure we are on the same page here.

Have you spoken with Ukrainians? They overwhelmingly want to fight to the last man. It’s crazy. It’s not some american pressure making them fight, they would really just rather die than be under russian rule. Don’t take my word for it, talk to Ukrainians. In ukraine. The ones who don’t feel that way fled like cowards to other countries already.

Yes, in fact, I know many and that data makes no difference. that War has been fought for many years, those who wanted to be there, would already have been.

At the end of the day, the truth is, certain people eliminated the right for a free man to vote, and those same people are now forcing them to kill or be killed.

Give them a vote, and there is no debate but, without vote, nobody can speak for the people.

This is false. Millions of Ukrainians have fled the country to avoid the war, specifically to avoid being conscripted into certain death on the battle field. Why do you think Ukraine announced three weeks ago they would be restricting diplomatic services for Ukrainians abroad? That was a feeble effort to strong arm Ukrainian men into going back and walking into the Russian meat grinder.

This whole war is so sad, destructive, and costly in blood and treasure. All so Victoria Nuland can avenge her grandfather. Pathetic. NOT in the interest of America. It was so easy to avoid that even Trump did it.

Yep, warmonger Victoria Nuland. We "conspiracy theorists" on this thread have been right all along. Even she can't say Ukraine is on a path to victory.

revolver.news

In exclusive interview, disgraced archneocon Victoria Nuland carefully refuses to hope that Ukraine can win the war… - Revolver News

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She can't say the words.

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This is true. All of these Wars are avoidable, as Trump proved to the World. Those who suffer with the disease are the only folks who cannot grasp this, so they vote to kill, forcing kids to die because they are fundamentally weak at negotiating.

I agree that Russia cannot sustain the war, but the recent move to oust Shoigu indicates that Russia is ready to basically turn its entire economy into a military industrial complex. His replacement, Sergei Belousov, is an economist. Russia is spending about 7% of GDP on the war effort. It looks like Putin hopes that Belousov can help control costs and turn the Russian economy into a full fledged war economy without driving the economy into the ground with high taxes, debt and inflation. Shoigu's deputy was arrested for taking bribes shortly before Shoigu was removed from the MoD. It is well known that Shoigu and other higher ups at the MoD were skimming. Shoigu is probably worth a few billion. But the pressures of this war have made it so that Putin had to put his foot down and at least keep the corruption to sustainable levels.

The right wing blockage of Ukraine defense funds has allowed Putin to establish a new front on the border by Belgorod. I think this is mostly just to push UA forces back far enough that Belgorod is out of range of UA missiles. Russia has been continuously shelling the border region in Sumy and Kharkhiv Oblast to try to keep UA from being in range of Belgorod. But this is the first time since the original invasion that Russia has sent troops over the border. The secondary goal is to get within range of Kharkhiv to allow Russia to shell Kharkhiv and make it uninhabitable. Russia understands full well that it does not have the ability to take and hold large cities in Ukraine. Russia still has not gone all in with a full military draft/mobilization and is trying to fight this war with prison conscripts, immigrants and well paid volunteers. So, Russia is just going to destroy Ukraine one city at a time until they reach the western border and Odessa.

kyivindependent.com

Designated Russian defense minister vows to further integrate economy, military

Integrating the military with Russia's economy is a key task for its Defense Ministry, soon-to-be-appointed Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov told the Federation Council, Russia's upper house of parliament, on May 14.

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dailymail.co.uk

Revealed: Putin’s defence minister secretly builds a £12m palace

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Revelations show the daughter of Sergei Shoigu Ksenia owned a sumptuous timber-clad property in Barvikha, one of Moscow's finest suburbs, in November 2009 - when she was 18.

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You fake 5 star general, you have been forecasting Russia would run out of money, men and supplies for over 1 1/2 year.

Possibly the worst SoS in US history. Honorable mention to Hillary.

it's easy to act like you know something, arguing with a flaming Russophobe, but in fact there's no particular danger for Americans traveling to Russia. Other than low access to consular services.

Russia's a very low-crime country. Americans you hear about getting in trouble there did stupid things, like trying to bring a cannabis product across the border

You are grossly misinformed. Do you even speak Slavic? 2nd and 3rd hand trash consumer

Low crime? Russia's murder rate is higher than Americas.

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