What caused or who caused the war is completely irrelevant at this point.
Ukraine has lost. They do not have the capability to push the Russians out of their territory.
Russia is winning.
At no point did Ukraine have any hope of victory.
Now, instead of week long war that embarrassed them which resulted in very few deaths and Ukraine giving up the dream no one in Ukraine even had of being in NATO... Ukraine will now lose 500,000 dead along with Odessa and all access to the Black Sea.
You really showed those dirty Russians who was boss!
You're an absolute moron. You didn't understand the situation in February 2022 and somehow you've actually gotten dumber in the last 2 years.
Give it up, Neville. You've been regurgitating the same Russian propaganda someone has been feeding your gullible mind for over two years, and you're still as confused and inconsistent as you were on day one of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. History will not be kind to you and your sock puppets. You backed the wrong country, and disparaged your own in the process. You are disgusting human being. Now go back to crying about today's events. Go cry with Moscow Marge.
I've been right for 2 years and you've been an idiot the whole time.
I said Ukraine couldn't win and they can't. There's no amount of other people's money that will change this reality.
Russia is stronger today than they were in 2022 and Ukraine is kidnapping men off the street to go die for your stupidity.
Au contraire, today's an awesome day to be an American taxpayer. We're using a tiny fraction of our defense budget to shut down a strategic adversary for years. The stocks of Soviet tanks and AFVs built up over decades are running low. Russia's ability to project power over its own borders has been radically diminished and is going to all but disappear. It just had to withdraw its useless peacekeepers from Nagorno-Karabakh.
And today's a great day to be a Ukrainian soldier because now you'll be able to defend against Russian air strikes and get counterbattery fire going again.
And if you're a comedy fan, today is absolutely fabulous. Russia's Black Sea fleet doesn't dare to enter the Black Sea. In February and March 2022, there was a chance that Russia could have expanded out of Kherson, but now it doesn't hold anything west of the Dnieper. So you're saying Russia is gonna take Odessa now?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Russia is stronger today than they were in 2022 and the US and every country in NATO is weaker.
Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.
Tanks and AFVs are irrelevant in this new drone warfare.
If it's so "great" to be a Ukrainian soldier why don't you put your own blood on the line instead of fanboying from the side lines big man.
Ukraine can't stop the Russian advance. If Russia wants Odessa they will eventually take it.
Bad day for Russia-loving LRCers. Bad day for America's newly born-again Neville Chamberlain types. Extremely bad day for scumbag Russian soldiers. Bad day for half-ass Iranian drones. Bad day for Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov and various other murdering Russian scumbags.
Good day for Ukrainians fighting for their country against murderous Russian invasion. Good day for America and its allies. Good day for NATO.
It's just nuts that it took so long to pass aid that the overwhelming majority supports.
The vote on passage of the Ukraine funding was 311-112. Significantly, 112 Republicans opposed the legislation, with only 101 in support.
“Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” --- (allegedly) Winston Churchill.
Moscow Marjorie and Putin are devastated.
Could Mike Johnson's sudden show of a backbone and a conscience save the Republican party by showing America he is no longer a ma'ga crazy nut. Or was this just a brief moment of sanity and the party will continue its Trump inspired downward spiral.
Bad day for Russia-loving LRCers. Bad day for America's newly born-again Neville Chamberlain types. Extremely bad day for scumbag Russian soldiers. Bad day for half-ass Iranian drones. Bad day for Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov and various other murdering Russian scumbags.
Good day for Ukrainians fighting for their country against murderous Russian invasion. Good day for America and its allies. Good day for NATO.
If money was the answer Ukraine wouldn't be on the brink of defeat.
Throwing money at Ukraine just prolongs a lost cause and kills more Ukrainians.
Today is a bad day to be a Ukrainian man because the chicken hawks in the US just condemned another 100,00+ of them to death purely for profit.
Check it out. AdultintheRoom has been channeling direct from the Kremlin's backward demented logic ("you made us rape her, and now you're making it even worse for her by letting her fight back"). The Kremlin feeds this stuff to people under their rule, who gobble it up like the ignorant born-serfs they are, but who would have ever thought this demented stuff would work on American adult living in freedom?
"The people of Ukraine are sincerely grateful to the U.S. Congress," Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky's office, said on Saturday.
"The decision 'will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime,' Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said."
If money was the answer Ukraine wouldn't be on the brink of defeat.
Throwing money at Ukraine just prolongs a lost cause and kills more Ukrainians.
Today is a bad day to be a Ukrainian man because the chicken hawks in the US just condemned another 100,00+ of them to death purely for profit.
Check it out. AdultintheRoom has been channeling direct from the Kremlin's backward demented logic ("you made us rape her, and now you're making it even worse for her by letting her fight back"). The Kremlin feeds this stuff to people under their rule, who gobble it up like the ignorant born-serfs they are, but who would have ever thought this demented stuff would work on American adult living in freedom?
"The decision 'will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime,' Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said."
A leftist accusing someone else of consuming propaganda is hysterical. You've never had an original thought in your life.
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.
To use your idiotic rape analogy you are demanding that the rape victim be killed rather than live with the indignity of being raped. That's very easy for you idiots to say because you have zero skin in the game.
You are WAAAAY too stupid to understand global affairs. You think nuclear powers use kindergarten teacher logic when they make decisions.. lol.
Check it out. AdultintheRoom has been channeling direct from the Kremlin's backward demented logic ("you made us rape her, and now you're making it even worse for her by letting her fight back"). The Kremlin feeds this stuff to people under their rule, who gobble it up like the ignorant born-serfs they are, but who would have ever thought this demented stuff would work on American adult living in freedom?
"The decision 'will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime,' Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said."
A leftist accusing someone else of consuming propaganda is hysterical. You've never had an original thought in your life.
If "leftist" is defined as someone who thinks you are a naive idiot, easily misled by anti-American propaganda, then I'm a leftist. Under every other definition of "leftist," I'm a hard-core conservative.
Kremlin simp wrote:
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant.
No. No, it is not.
Kremlin simp wrote:
The only thing that matters is WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.
Your Russian friends are going to find out again, some of what can be done about it. That's why they are spazzing out like you are at yesterday's news.
Kremlin simp wrote:
To use your idiotic rape analogy you are demanding that the rape victim be killed rather than live with the indignity of being raped. That's very easy for you idiots to say because you have zero skin in the game.
HAHAHAHAHA! What a clown you are. I truly can't believe there is a brain on this planet that twists its own logic around like that. There's no way you believe the stuff you type. You just hate Biden and love Russia so much, that you post anything you mind can conjure up, even knowing it's a complete factual, logical and moral failure.
Russia targeted Ukraine. Russia has many targets, and Ukraine is its current target. Russia invaded Ukraine to occupy it and kill is citizens. Russians are killing Ukrainians every day. Russia can stop killing Ukrainians any time they want. Russia chooses not to stop killing Ukrainians every day, in part because they have misguided fools like you and Moscow Carlson and Moscow Marge (the Jane Fonda's of our generation) on their side. You provide aid and comfort to America's enemies.
Kremlin simp wrote:
You are WAAAAY too stupid to understand global affairs. You think nuclear powers use kindergarten teacher logic when they make decisions.. lol.
The irony here, from a guy who still can't find Ukraine on a map.
There was a Churchill or Chamberlain moment yesterday. It was as binary as any choice can be in terms of national security, freedom, and morality. We all knew what side of that you were on from your naive and obviously Kremlin-inspired posts over the last two years.
A leftist accusing someone else of consuming propaganda is hysterical. You've never had an original thought in your life.
If "leftist" is defined as someone who thinks you are a naive idiot, easily misled by anti-American propaganda, then I'm a leftist. Under every other definition of "leftist," I'm a hard-core conservative.
Kremlin simp wrote:
Who's right or wrong is irrelevant.
No. No, it is not.
Kremlin simp wrote:
The only thing that matters is WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.
Your Russian friends are going to find out again, some of what can be done about it. That's why they are spazzing out like you are at yesterday's news.
Kremlin simp wrote:
To use your idiotic rape analogy you are demanding that the rape victim be killed rather than live with the indignity of being raped. That's very easy for you idiots to say because you have zero skin in the game.
HAHAHAHAHA! What a clown you are. I truly can't believe there is a brain on this planet that twists its own logic around like that. There's no way you believe the stuff you type. You just hate Biden and love Russia so much, that you post anything you mind can conjure up, even knowing it's a complete factual, logical and moral failure.
Russia targeted Ukraine. Russia has many targets, and Ukraine is its current target. Russia invaded Ukraine to occupy it and kill is citizens. Russians are killing Ukrainians every day. Russia can stop killing Ukrainians any time they want. Russia chooses not to stop killing Ukrainians every day, in part because they have misguided fools like you and Moscow Carlson and Moscow Marge (the Jane Fonda's of our generation) on their side. You provide aid and comfort to America's enemies.
Kremlin simp wrote:
You are WAAAAY too stupid to understand global affairs. You think nuclear powers use kindergarten teacher logic when they make decisions.. lol.
The irony here, from a guy who still can't find Ukraine on a map.
There was a Churchill or Chamberlain moment yesterday. It was as binary as any choice can be in terms of national security, freedom, and morality. We all knew what side of that you were on from your naive and obviously Kremlin-inspired posts over the last two years.
I care about the United States. You are literally "simping" for a country you'd never heard of 3 years ago. The lack of self awareness and projection you idiots engage in on a daily basis is truly pathetic.
Explain to me why the Unites States should be the primary funder of a EUROPEAN war in a EUROPEAN country that has F*CK ALL to do with the United States.
Who's right or wrong is 100% irrelevant on the world stage because foreign policy cannot be implemented by feelings. If you do not have the power and force necessary to implement your policy your policy is useless. You being too stupid to comprehend this fact is your own problem.
Russian didn't "target Ukraine" you idiot Obama and NATO "targeted Ukraine" when they toppled it's government in 2014 and then started killing Russians in Ukraine.
As always you have no idea what the facts are. You have no idea what the history is. You just know you've been told to pretend you care about Ukraine and here you are mindlessly doing what your told like an idiot.
I care about the United States. You are literally "simping" for a country you'd never heard of 3 years ago. The lack of self awareness and projection you idiots engage in on a daily basis is truly pathetic.
Explain to me why the Unites States should be the primary funder of a EUROPEAN war in a EUROPEAN country that has F*CK ALL to do with the United States.
Who's right or wrong is 100% irrelevant on the world stage because foreign policy cannot be implemented by feelings. If you do not have the power and force necessary to implement your policy your policy is useless. You being too stupid to comprehend this fact is your own problem.
Russian didn't "target Ukraine" you idiot Obama and NATO "targeted Ukraine" when they toppled it's government in 2014 and then started killing Russians in Ukraine.
As always you have no idea what the facts are. You have no idea what the history is. You just know you've been told to pretend you care about Ukraine and here you are mindlessly doing what your told like an idiot.
If money was the answer Ukraine wouldn't be on the brink of defeat.
Throwing money at Ukraine just prolongs a lost cause and kills more Ukrainians.
Today is a bad day to be a Ukrainian man because the chicken hawks in the US just condemned another 100,00+ of them to death purely for profit.
Check it out. AdultintheRoom has been channeling direct from the Kremlin's backward demented logic ("you made us rape her, and now you're making it even worse for her by letting her fight back"). The Kremlin feeds this stuff to people under their rule, who gobble it up like the ignorant born-serfs they are, but who would have ever thought this demented stuff would work on American adult living in freedom?
"The decision 'will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime,' Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said."
Ukraine could have surrendered in April 2022 or any time since.
Check it out. AdultintheRoom has been channeling direct from the Kremlin's backward demented logic ("you made us rape her, and now you're making it even worse for her by letting her fight back"). The Kremlin feeds this stuff to people under their rule, who gobble it up like the ignorant born-serfs they are, but who would have ever thought this demented stuff would work on American adult living in freedom?
"The decision 'will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime,' Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said."
Ukraine could have surrendered in April 2022 or any time since.
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This is an extraordinary post. I can't think of another post that is so meaningless on the one hand (of course anyone can surrender any time they want), yet so profoundly loaded with pompousness (purports to know more than Ukrainians what's best for Ukrainians), immorality (negatively judges Ukrainians for trying to stop a murderous invasion of their country), ignorance (history has endless examples of people fighting and dying for their homeland), inconsistency (why would Ukrainians surrender their country when they have pushed Russians out of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kerson, etc.), immaturity (this isn't akin to simply forfeiting a little league game) and victim blaming (Ukrainians did not invade Russia - Russia invaded Ukraine), on the other hand. How did he accomplish this feat in 11 words?
The definition of "victory" in a war is which side controls more of the other side's land.
Russia has taken significant portions of eastern Ukraine and will not be giving it back. Ukraine has taken no Russian land.
This new $60 billion in American taxpayer money will not change the outcome. That money will be laundered, squandered, and rerouted to criminal elements all over the world. It is telling that Ukraine supporters are so violently hostile to any kind of real accounting oversight of that money. You can guess the reason why.
The definition of "victory" in a war is which side controls more of the other side's land.
You'll need to work this out with the other Russian troll posters who think that Victoria Nuland started the war in 2014 and still controls 80% of Ukraine.
Ukraine could have surrendered in April 2022 or any time since.
^^^^^
This is an extraordinary post. I can't think of another post that is so meaningless on the one hand (of course anyone can surrender any time they want), yet so profoundly loaded with pompousness (purports to know more than Ukrainians what's best for Ukrainians), immorality (negatively judges Ukrainians for trying to stop a murderous invasion of their country), ignorance (history has endless examples of people fighting and dying for their homeland), inconsistency (why would Ukrainians surrender their country when they have pushed Russians out of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kerson, etc.), immaturity (this isn't akin to simply forfeiting a little league game) and victim blaming (Ukrainians did not invade Russia - Russia invaded Ukraine), on the other hand. How did he accomplish this feat in 11 words?
It's only extraordinary if you're ignorant and don't realize that Ukraine would have surrendered if Biden didn't tell them not to.
Biden assured them NATO and the US would help them and them promptly refused to offer any useful help condemning Ukraine to a slow death by attrition.
Being ALIVE is what's best for Ukrainians.
You have to be a complete f*cking MORON to think life in Ukraine is much different on corrupt Russian leaders than it is under corrupt Ukrainian leaders. The people are virtually identical.
The definition of "victory" in a war is which side controls more of the other side's land.
You'll need to work this out with the other Russian troll posters who think that Victoria Nuland started the war in 2014 and still controls 80% of Ukraine.
That was late 2013.
Ukraine will lose, the $60 billion maybe bought them another year of stalemate.
IMO it wasn't worth funding another failed counteroffensive.
You'll need to work this out with the other Russian troll posters who think that Victoria Nuland started the war in 2014 and still controls 80% of Ukraine.
That was late 2013.
Ukraine will lose, the $60 billion maybe bought them another year of stalemate.
IMO it wasn't worth funding another failed counteroffensive.
Russia has been advancing for months. There is no stalemate.
Only a fraction of that money will even make it through the corruption to the front and it's impact will be negligible just like the Leopards and Abrams and Challengers stupid people said would turn the tide of the war.
Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition with Russia no matter how much money you steal from American tax payers.
You'll need to work this out with the other Russian troll posters who think that Victoria Nuland started the war in 2014 and still controls 80% of Ukraine.
That was late 2013.
Ukraine will lose, the $60 billion maybe bought them another year of stalemate.
IMO it wasn't worth funding another failed counteroffensive.
Seven months minimum is the plan. U.S. Congress do not want Russians celebrating victory in Kiev before elections in November here in U.S. Both sides of the aisle worry about being thrown out of office. When, not if Kiev falls there may be accountability for all money spent but who knows. I thought there was going to be accountability when U.S. personnel were blown up in Beirut over 40 years ago.
Ukraine will lose, the $60 billion maybe bought them another year of stalemate.
IMO it wasn't worth funding another failed counteroffensive.
Russia has been advancing for months. There is no stalemate.
Only a fraction of that money will even make it through the corruption to the front and it's impact will be negligible just like the Leopards and Abrams and Challengers stupid people said would turn the tide of the war.
Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition with Russia no matter how much money you steal from American tax payers.
Yep. What we need is a leader to tell them, this is the last aid you're getting, so make use of it and get a long term peace deal.
Ukraine will lose, the $60 billion maybe bought them another year of stalemate.
IMO it wasn't worth funding another failed counteroffensive.
Seven months minimum is the plan. U.S. Congress do not want Russians celebrating victory in Kiev before elections in November here in U.S. Both sides of the aisle worry about being thrown out of office. When, not if Kiev falls there may be accountability for all money spent but who knows. I thought there was going to be accountability when U.S. personnel were blown up in Beirut over 40 years ago.
This is an extraordinary post. I can't think of another post that is so meaningless on the one hand (of course anyone can surrender any time they want), yet so profoundly loaded with pompousness (purports to know more than Ukrainians what's best for Ukrainians), immorality (negatively judges Ukrainians for trying to stop a murderous invasion of their country), ignorance (history has endless examples of people fighting and dying for their homeland), inconsistency (why would Ukrainians surrender their country when they have pushed Russians out of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kerson, etc.), immaturity (this isn't akin to simply forfeiting a little league game) and victim blaming (Ukrainians did not invade Russia - Russia invaded Ukraine), on the other hand. How did he accomplish this feat in 11 words?
It's only extraordinary if you're ignorant and don't realize that Ukraine would have surrendered if Biden didn't tell them not to.
False.
Kremlin simp wrote:
Biden assured them NATO and the US would help them and them promptly refused to offer any useful help condemning Ukraine to a slow death by attrition.
NATO and the US are providing useful help. You've been crying about the amount of that help since day one (but are now changing your tune, saying none of it is useful). And as of yesterday, they are helping Ukraine with $61 billion more in weapons to kill Russians who invaded Ukraine.
No one could have guessed two years ago that some demented subset of fake conservatives in the GOP like you and Moscow Marjorie would turn into hysterical Jane Fonda/Neville Chamberlain types overnight and be so susceptible to Russian propaganda. Normal Americans have had to spend enormous time fighting through that mentality a lot more than anyone expected to provide military aid to Ukraine. I mean, who would have ever thought whether to fund a country INVADED by Russia would actually be an issue? I'm sure YOU didn't even know two years ago what a demented flip flopping idiot that actively promotes the lies of America's number one enemy that you were going to end up like.
Being ALIVE is what's best for Ukrainians.
Throughout history, brave people have made the choice to risk their lives defending their countries, homes, and families from murderous invaders like Russians. Some people don't want to live under tyranny and occupation from invaders. Just because you would be fine with such a life, doesn't mean other people would. Who the fvck are you to question the choices of Ukrainians risking their lives fighting Russian tyranny and tell them what's best for them?
You have to be a complete f*cking MORON to think life in Ukraine is much different on corrupt Russian leaders than it is under corrupt Ukrainian leaders. The people are virtually identical.
I'll trust the opinions of Ukrainians risking their lives fighting Russian invaders over your deluded, uniformed opinion as to when their lives are better or worse. Ukrainians believe that their lives are better as Ukrainians rather than under the tyranny of Russian occupation. You are a dangerously sick person projecting your idiot beliefs onto others like this. Get the fvck out of here and quit posting. You are total garbage.
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