Official 2019 NCAA XC Discussion Thread - We'll be doing a live pre-race show starting at 10 am ET

rojo · 2019-11-22T15:35:24-05:00

All of the talk of a mush mess rain on race day seems to not be coming true. The first turn is certainly wet but they were putting down a drying agent today. There is only a 20% chance of rain at race time tomorrow. The women's race is a 11:15. Men are at 12:15. We'll do doing a live pre-race show tomorrow starting at 10 am ET. Check back and will tell you how to listen or watch (if we do video). update: Show is here: https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1198257506033815552

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6 years ago 11/24/2019 12:33pm EST

re: Baby nationals All American

A physical and mental break after 8 years of hard racing and training.
How many of you have come back stronger after injury.
Name a BYU who has won NCAA before his mission?? See, you can't.

How many freshmen win NCAAs? Cheserek, and very very few others. BYU guys leave either before or after their frosh year, so of course they haven't won NCAAs before their mission.

For all the people saying they are cheating, that just simply isn't true. No rules are being broken. Their women are just as good as the men, and most of them don't go on missions. It really is primarily culture and coaching.

6 years ago 11/24/2019 4:23pm EST

re: Figs

Figs wrote:
Rosburger wrote:
Yes. They've been doing this since the 1880's. You bigots are just now able to able to vent your vitriol? What happened; run out of immigrants, racial minorities?
What are you talking about? I asked a question. Nowhere - NOWHERE - is my question is there a hint of being a bigot or venting about immigrants and racial minorities.
The point of my question is if BYU has been doing this for years and has such an advantage, then why haven’t they dominated and won more? Since this is their first championship, I don’t see how they have an advantage. So I’m not being a bigot at all.

Woops! Sorry. I completely misread your question, thinking it was one more attack on the BYU/Mormon people.

6 years ago 11/25/2019 10:14am EST

re: blamb61

blamb61 wrote:
pontl wrote:
The age-old lie of a sedentary mission. “One run a month.” Intellectually dishonest from a people who are supposed to have strong morals.
Did you go on a mission? How would you know? I went in the 80's (Taiwan) and the only time I remember running was playing soccer a couple of times on our preparation day (preparation day is once a week) and one time when we had a mini mission track meet and whoever wanted ran a mile and/or a 100m race (I think I ran it in 6:00 or so and that was the best I could do). There was no running training. I rode a bike a couple of miles/day and walked a couple of miles/day and that was all the cardio there was. Some might get in more than that but training is not what a mission is about and missionaries are way too busy to be doing much of it. We were up by 6:30, got ready, had personal scripture study, language study, group scripture study and out the door by 9:30. We might take one hour off for lunch and one hour for dinner and worked tell 9 to 9:30. Went back our apartment (maybe hit a night market on the way home), wrote in journal, talked a bit, in bed by 10:30. That was the daily schedule Tues-Sunday. Mondays was our preparation day. Still up at 6:30 but had free time from then tell 5:30 pm and then worked tell 9-9:30 like other days. On p-days, we would write letters, go sight-seeing a little, hike, play basketball or soccer, go grocery shopping, wash clothes, and pick up supplies needed for the next week. It was very busy. While out working and knocking on doors or riding the bike to the work area, I would be memorizing lessons or Chinese vocabulary. It was very, very busy! I did something that no other missionary I lived with did and that was I got up at 5:30 a.m. most days and would do some calisthenics workout in the apartment (couldn't leave the apartment without a companion so didn't go running). I would do push-ups, dips, sit-ups, and stuff like that. I think missionaries now-days are given 30-min to exercise in their schedule each day. When I went ,we did not get that. I think I took maybe one nap the whole time on my mission in the day with the exception of a couple of days when I was sick and stayed in bed.

I've known over half a dozen people that have been on a mission trip. Every single one of them got exercise multiple times a week. You guys always try to pass it off as if they are bed-ridden for two years and it is intellectually dishonest and hurts your case.

6 years ago 11/25/2019 10:29am EST

re: pontl

pontl wrote:
I've known over half a dozen people that have been on a mission trip. Every single one of them got exercise multiple times a week. You guys always try to pass it off as if they are bed-ridden for two years and it is intellectually dishonest and hurts your case.

Nah, you’re wrong about everyone passing it off like their bed-ridden. Multiple folks have said they’re actually encouraged to exercise and allotted 30 mins every morning just for that. But the problem is, if your assigned companion doesn’t want to run, or isn’t a runner (maybe he was an NCAA OLmen, or has that kind of a body type), which is the case more often than not, then your 30 minutes of exercise turns into some push ups and sit ups. 30 minutes is hardly enough time to go to the gym and back.

Sorry dude but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Yeah you can exercise, but no way you’re running very much for those 2 years

6 years ago 11/25/2019 10:37am EST

re: Sorry bro

Sorry bro wrote:
pontl wrote:
I've known over half a dozen people that have been on a mission trip. Every single one of them got exercise multiple times a week. You guys always try to pass it off as if they are bed-ridden for two years and it is intellectually dishonest and hurts your case.
Nah, you’re wrong about everyone passing it off like their bed-ridden. Multiple folks have said they’re actually encouraged to exercise and allotted 30 mins every morning just for that. But the problem is, if your assigned companion doesn’t want to run, or isn’t a runner (maybe he was an NCAA OLmen, or has that kind of a body type), which is the case more often than not, then your 30 minutes of exercise turns into some push ups and sit ups. 30 minutes is hardly enough time to go to the gym and back.
Sorry dude but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Yeah you can exercise, but no way you’re running very much for those 2 years

Every single BYU thread on the boards has SEVERAL people saying that missions are a disadvantage because the missionaries "aren't able to run for two years". This is patently false, as I have many anecdotal cases that provide otherwise.

Unable to train like a college runner != not running for two years. It's intellectually dishonest to embellish it as such.

6 years ago 11/25/2019 11:37pm EST

re: rojo

NCAA championships interactive results (tweak as desired):

Men:

https://cc-ease.firebaseapp.com/?id=xLx6ytZ7Cb1Kqhqfwy5F

Women:

https://cc-ease.firebaseapp.com/?id=7KTR9VkobdTDDN9L23Tn

Fun facts:

If Ratcliffe finishes in the top 56, Stanford finds itself on the podium. If he finishes anywhere from 8th to 22nd, Colorado takes second place.

Take out the seniors for next year and NAU returns:

#10, #16, #26, #31, #40 (some of the returners are from teams that may not qualify so point scoring would be even less) - Top 3 will all be sophomores.

Top Big Sky returner is not from NAU though, that honor goes to #6 sophomore Christian Allen of Weber State. He has a teammate and fellow sophomore Dillon Taylor who is the #36 returner. So NAU should have some good individuals to contend with in the Big Sky for the next couple of years.

After a 5th place finish, Tulsa could be really good again next year as they return a solid core with a potential Colorado-esque 1-2 punch with the #4 and #5 returners in the country.

6 years ago 11/26/2019 5:18am EST

re: Rosburger

Rosburger wrote:
Figs wrote:
What are you talking about? I asked a question. Nowhere - NOWHERE - is my question is there a hint of being a bigot or venting about immigrants and racial minorities.
The point of my question is if BYU has been doing this for years and has such an advantage, then why haven’t they dominated and won more? Since this is their first championship, I don’t see how they have an advantage. So I’m not being a bigot at all.
Woops! Sorry. I completely misread your question, thinking it was one more attack on the BYU/Mormon people.

All is good. Thanks for the apology. ??

2 years ago 07/13/2023 10:03pm EDT

re: NAU Dynasty dies (for now)

NAU Dynasty dies (for now) wrote:
BYU wins.
Good runs for the NAU freshmen. NAU goes on a second three-peat starting next year.

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