Official thread to discuss moderation policies

malmo wrote:

What the hell is the matter with you? You will never be satisfied with anything. Use the report post function. Sign your name to it if you want, other posters do.

it's also interesting that malmo has the time to write a page long off-topic ramble about a movie idea on this thread but can only manage a few angry sentences at a time on the actual topic at hand.

So far there has been no explanation at all for the instant deletion of posts calling out reported posts while allowing those reported posts to remain for days. None.

The brojos indicated it was probably you, you say it isn't. Who is it then? What is your stance on that practice? This is an official thread about exactly these topics. If you don't want to participate in this discussion then maybe you should reevaluate your choice to be a moderator.

therottingghost wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

He deleted the post 48 minutes after it was pointed out to him.

Right. This time. We all know the issue is that he often refuses to delete them for days while immediately deleting any post calling out the racist posts. Deleting one post when all eyes are on him does nothing to change that.

I've never seen the mods refuse to delete obviously offensive content. Though maybe that's because I've always emailed them when I see problems, rather than spam the boards with attention-seeking threads or re-post screenshots of already deleted posts.

Hardloper wrote:

I've never seen the mods refuse to delete obviously offensive content. Though maybe that's because I've always emailed them when I see problems, rather than spam the boards with attention-seeking threads or re-post screenshots of already deleted posts.

Or maybe it's because you are friends with them, and just like Jamin you are protected by them.

In any case, why are you behaving the way you are on this thread, all arrogant and aggressive, borderline insulting language towards posters who bring up legitimate issues?

Are you a moderator as well and you feel attacked, is it?

If you're not a moderator, please (no pun intended) moderate your language.

Can you undelete my deleted thread about my sickness getting worse?

#1 - Bring this forum out of the dark ages and use an up to date format.

Advantages:

> people can subscribe to threads;

> notification when subscribed threads are updates;

> choices of whether to be, and/or how to be notified;

> ability save friends on a friend's list;

> private messaging capability;

> a choice of restricted to friend's only, or unrestricted;

> registration required for ALL participants;

> have a limit to the number of nicknames a person has, if possible (at least try);

> an ignore / block list, so trolls can be forever ignored.

#2- Have a variety of moderators, with a variety of different viewpoints (but all upstanding);

> do not have moderators who use the forum as their personal sounding board;

> do not have moderators who remove messages only because they disagree with them;

> do not have moderators who are nasty and/or who insult other members of the forum;

> do not allow attacks and/or slurs toward women, children, teenagers, or anyone else;

> do not allow racial and/or perverted sexual comments on the forum;

> develop a forum that is respectful, intelligent, and pull it out of the gutter to do this.

These are ALL features that are standard in most modern forums.

I could find several of them very quickly, and I'm sure other forum members are familiar with them too.

These things should all be done, as soon as is conveniently possible.

Best regards.

drink orange juice

What the hell is wrong with you? We are consumers here. You are an employee. The consumer is always right, yes? Your sour attitude is very tiresome. If you are a bitter former runner, get a new job. YOUR JOB is to make us happy. Not to impose your whims and grievances on us. Got it???

Hardloper wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

Even to the point where Malmo finally says "There, I deleted it, end of story. What's the problem?"

The correct answer from Malmo should've been

i) about three pages earlier, and

ii) "oh yeah, you're totally right, ban this fool."

He deleted the post 48 minutes after it was pointed out to him.

He deleted A post .. when various other posts were quoted earlier all he did was snidely suggest they were/are fabircations .. when, as other showed, a simple google saerch shows them to be directly from Coevett. Even a curosry read of most of threads C starts would sugegst those quotes are all perfectly real comments from him.

Malmo thensaid he was on Coevett's side, and felt for his plight .. then said he thinks quite the opposite with "you had better ask the Brojos what my stated opinion of him really is" .. he then says "if these posts are real C should be banned .. then he's given a link to such a post, and his reply is "deleted. end of story" .. that's simply disingenuous, at best.

These kinds of things are good examples of why discussing racism with racists is so pointless. They make a crazy racist comment, are called out on it, later on they make a slightly less racist comment, are called a racist, and then try to defend why that label isn't fair because the latest post they made isn't completely racist .. it's ridiculous .. If you say some racist sh** .. don't whine a week later when you post some inflammatory sh** and people call you a racist .. it needn't have anything to do with your latest post .. we've already estbalished the racism part.

It's simply astonshing that it's a still a discussion on these boards. Why would the response to a racist remark simply be "deleted, end of story"? Banned isn't a part of that? Thats crazy. And then people wonder why it goes on and on .. Malmo even says "it spills over into other unrelated threads" .. of course it does .. why would it NOT? Coevett could be shopping for new eyeglasses and it's still perfectly reasonable to call him a racist .. because he's already demonstrated that in the past, with absolutely ZERO sense of apology or acknowledgement on his behalf.

The level of excuse being put forward on C's behalf, by LRC, to tolerate the flourishing racism on these boards, is simply amazing.

If somebody walked into my house and sh* all over the floor, I wouldn't be discussing with them whether their shoes left dirt on the floor in the other room ... they'd be out of my house.

Here we are, over a dozen pages into the thread .. andI'd ask LRC .. what have you gleaned from this discussion and what changes will you make to the boards as direct result of input from this thread?

We arent the customers. The sponsors and advertisers are. We are the product.

But yes, they should have an incentive to clean it up a bit. If a legitimate competitor ever arrives, there would be a mass exodus. A spearfishing website I go to was very similar, full of bad moderation with no transparency and an owner who took a "this is my site" attitude. We all put up with it for years. Then an alternative appeared and over the course of two years, the site slowly dwindled from thousands of posts a day to 3 or 4 now.

Their current style only works when they're the only game in town. If they clean it up, they would probably expand but more importantly for them, make it competitor proof.

TrainingWheels wrote:

Then an alternative appeared and over the course of two years, the site slowly dwindled from thousands of posts a day to 3 or 4 now.

Their current style only works when they're the only game in town. If they clean it up, they would probably expand but more importantly for them, make it competitor proof.

Alternatives do exist, what you guys want is on reddit, running world used too have a forum and other sites. If you want that, go to that.

BergLaufer wrote:

Alternatives do exist, what you guys want is on reddit, running world used too have a forum and other sites. If you want that, go to that.

Reddit is really more of a hobby jogger discussion.

Why would you bring up running world forums if they dont exist? What "other sites?" LRC is really the only place with extensive discussion of serious running and racing.

I also honestly like the light headed trolling. I hate the name calling and hateful attacks, though. That's what I would like to see gone.

Well you're crossing the line in serious harassment yourself CasualObserver. The mods will have seen that threat, it was up for several hours before it was deleted (by a mod obviously). I'm sure you must have as well given you appear to be online here 24/7 and are always ready to post a reply to me within minutes. I've also screencapped a number of this guy's indecent posts, including the post regarding an U18 athlete. You and the other doping apologists here are accusing Malmo of 'planting his mast behind a 'racist' while you and a few other odious creatures are actually defending a clearly disturbed troll who has many times made physical threats against me which appear to be serious and also regularly posts indecent posts containing references to bestiality and rape, including one that concerned a child. You're disgusting.

casual obsever wrote:

Ctrl+Alt+Del wrote:

Dear sir,

No one is going to take you seriously until you behave like an adult with integrity.

The quote above is one more lie from you.

I am not surprised. That's part of his MO. Interesting, that he does that here too, right under the eyes of the mods.

As for the paragraph about me, same thing of course, one lie after the other:

I said Rotich is dirty in every sense of the world. He is the training partner of Bett, his coach pi$$ed for him at Rio, and he imprinted his elbows in two runners in I think Lausanne the other day. I did accuse Souleiman of being dirty. Not sure either of those things makes me racist.

I don't apologize for anything I've said. Kenya is a corrupt third world mess like most of Africa and that's why something like 2/3rds of the population there want to live in Europe and hundreds die trying to cross by boat every year. I was asked a question and gave my honest response - I have met many Kenyans in London and they have come across as the most stupid. Ban me now. This place is a total doping apologist sewer where being mildly un-pc is seen as a 1000 times worse than rampant doping apologism, despite this being a running forum and doping killing our sport.

You allow doping apologists like Casual Observer and Rekrunner (probably both Putin trolls) to destroy any serious discussion of the problem, and both are now planting their mast behind a troll who has made regular physical threats against my person and who leaves truly obscene comments involving bestiality and rape, even concerning individual athletes, including at least on one occasion, a child.

I would like to just ask the mods - can you please confirm that you are aware of this troll, and aware of the comments he's made of the type I've described above. I realize he must post under proxy IPs, but can you clearly state what you intend to do about this person? You've given plenty of feedback to the bullies and trolls ganging up on me here, now before you ban me, please do me the service of clarifying your position on the troll who you've seen make physical threats against me (denied by the doping apologists) and beyond the pale obscene comments.

I find it funny that this thread was supposedly created in the light of the death of Frank Meza, a cheat who went beyond even peds, and whose tragic suicide it's alleged might have had something to do with bullying from this forum.

Now this thread seems all about ganging up on me, an anti-doping contributer, with the ringleader being somebody whose threatened to doxx me, come to my country and break my jaw and rape me, and who regularly posts truly horrific projected fantasies of rape and bestiality on to me (and occasionally on to famous white athletes, including recently an u18 athlete).

Nothing to be ashamed of on this forum. I've presented new facts (or presented them in English for the first time) about Aouita, Kenio, the coach of Byer, Herold and Straub, and Japheth Kamei.

I accept there's a few genuine snowflake SJWs who truly see me as a 'racist', but of the people here screaming here that I need to be banned are either paid shills (probably Russian) such as Casual Observer, dopers, or simply disturbed trolls who fantasize about rape and bestiality.

I am a moderator of a small sports forum. When I say small I mean some 25 active users and a few casual posters.

I have had to deal with people making threats in the past but never anything this serious! And in any case that warranted an immediate, permanent ban for such posters.

Rape? Bestiality? Physical violence? That's going way too far.

My suggestion to you is that you collect screenshots of those threats and send them to the mods/brojos so that they can either ban that poster or if he is registered, send them an email telling him in no uncertain terms that that may be crossing the line.

I tried to find such posts/threats and couldn't find any so maybe they have been deleted. If you have the screenshots saved then email them to Letsrun so that they can do something about it (one can only hope they pay attention).

So...nobody likes my idea of allowing the community (or some "trusted subset" of the community) to tag potentially offensive posts with the best fitting category of offense and allow users to filter messages based on those categories? Or maybe allow users to ignore posts from certain users?

My thought is that it could be possible to have free speech AND protect sensitive users from reading things they find offensive.

Coevett wrote:

I accept there's a few genuine snowflake SJWs who truly see me as a 'racist', but of the people here screaming here that I need to be banned are either paid shills (probably Russian) such as Casual Observer, dopers, or simply disturbed trolls who fantasize about rape and bestiality.

More lies... While you apparently keep lying for the sheer fun of it, I'd like to be clear on these:

- I am against banning you because I am in favor of free speech.

- I am against deleting your most racist posts because then some naive people might not recognize you as racist.

- I am in favor of calling you racist because you are.

- I am against mods insulting posters because they should remain impartial.

And most importantly:

- I am against mods deleting posts just because they don't like them.

Will the moderators please stop Coevett's references to bestiality!? PLEASE!?

I have never seen someone dig their own grave as fast as you have in this thread.