jesseriley wrote:
Nothing disrespectful about the same problems we faced in 1991 (cheating & elaborate demands for documentation). Garmin & Strava will be selling devices at your press conferences, if you play this right!
Have we considered whether this jesseriley is simply a good troll and not actually the person? Seems like he gave the Brojos a good trolling getting that article published!
jesseriley wrote:
Nothing disrespectful about the same problems we faced in 1991 (cheating & elaborate demands for documentation). Garmin & Strava will be selling devices at your press conferences, if you play this right!
Sorry but there is a big difference between making sure Dave is doing this properly and writing an article with false claims like you did
Well, we can theorize that he’s not doing it properly, it’s more a question if these unprecedented numbers are even possible.
Tron wrote:
Sorry but there is a big difference between making sure Dave is doing this properly and writing an article with false claims like you did
Agree. There's also clear indications he's not running straight through on Strava as well. Disclaimer: I've met Dave a number of times and was crewing for another Speed Project (40ish hour 6 man relay from LA to Vegas) team when he did it with a Calgary team this year.
https://imgur.com/a/stNiYJF- 1 hour to 1h50m of stopped time every day, in moving vs elapsed time. He's either pausing his watch or Strava removes stopped time from the calculations itself.
Has it been mentioned that Dave is the Canadian record holder for longest run in 24h? Was previously the world treadmill record holder for 12h, 24h? Canadian 72h record holder before getting an injury and dropping?
https://runningmagazine.ca/dave-proctor-2017-across-the-years-update/I would say there's tons of evidence he's far from a "rookie" at this point. 66 days is far more than he's done in the past, but 100k in a day is a far cry from 500k in 3 or 257k in 1 as his other records are. Dude does 30 mile runs on a 200m indoor track through the winter, his mental game is off the hook.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk80LO6Fjhs/- the Calgary event clearly had a shitload of people in attendance, but the article on the front page claims "Yet Calgary has come and gone without much notice, a big missed opportunity for the charity." - sure, if you don't go looking for information, you'll find nothing.
https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#1687502673?c=c3n6nree&z=A&t=1RGIev&a=UT-VZGnTlWRxG8Fk1xeUZBs_lWR76pJkZRGTZAYou can see his flybys on Strava too, people are coming to run with him at various points in the day..
There's just an overwhelming amount of evidence, visitors, witnesses, gps data, photos here that things are above board, imo... Complain he's going west to east, sure, but he's running those miles.
jobeus wrote:
Agree. There's also clear indications he's not running straight through on Strava as well. Disclaimer: I've met Dave a number of times and was crewing for another Speed Project (40ish hour 6 man relay from LA to Vegas) team when he did it with a Calgary team this year.
https://imgur.com/a/stNiYJF- 1 hour to 1h50m of stopped time every day, in moving vs elapsed time. He's either pausing his watch or Strava removes stopped time from the calculations itself.
Has it been mentioned that Dave is the Canadian record holder for longest run in 24h? Was previously the world treadmill record holder for 12h, 24h? Canadian 72h record holder before getting an injury and dropping?
https://runningmagazine.ca/dave-proctor-2017-across-the-years-update/I would say there's tons of evidence he's far from a "rookie" at this point. 66 days is far more than he's done in the past, but 100k in a day is a far cry from 500k in 3 or 257k in 1 as his other records are. Dude does 30 mile runs on a 200m indoor track through the winter, his mental game is off the hook.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk80LO6Fjhs/- the Calgary event clearly had a shitload of people in attendance, but the article on the front page claims "Yet Calgary has come and gone without much notice, a big missed opportunity for the charity." - sure, if you don't go looking for information, you'll find nothing.
https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#1687502673?c=c3n6nree&z=A&t=1RGIev&a=UT-VZGnTlWRxG8Fk1xeUZBs_lWR76pJkZRGTZAYou can see his flybys on Strava too, people are coming to run with him at various points in the day..
There's just an overwhelming amount of evidence, visitors, witnesses, gps data, photos here that things are above board, imo... Complain he's going west to east, sure, but he's running those miles.
I've stated this info to JesseRiley numerous times and he basically is ignoring it with his own beliefs.
As for stopping, yes, he definitely stops for breaks during the day for snacks, hydration, stretching, etc... and this may add up to an hour or two over the course of each day.
He doesn't stop for a hours at a time but still does take breaks (maybe Jesse was implying he doesn't take break at all during day which then i'd agree would be crazy)
Too bad Al’s record was so much better, yet Al never dreamed of such a pace.
Another red flag: technology for everything except researching the record they’re trying to break. Online @ ultrarunning.com. Public record for decades.
Spoiler alert: in three articles for UltraRunning in ‘91 I have a partial list of Al’s solo runs, amazing stuff. Of course, he already held the 1300-mile world record and would break it again. Hard to see such an inexperienced runner at these distances destroying Al’s times.
jesseriley wrote:
Well, we can theorize that he’s not doing it properly, it’s more a question if these unprecedented numbers are even possible.
The number are not possible, for you; even in your prime. For the US transcon record set by Pete K two years ago, Pete averaged 120 km per day for 43 days (including a 0 day). It is unprecedented only in your mind.
BertieB wrote:
Anyone listen to this
http://tenjunkmiles.libsyn.com/long-run-55-dave-proctorI think he is going by guinness rules for the record which don't specify direction. And I think he mentions that he is hoping going west to east will help him with the prevailing winds and he does mention wanting to get the mountains out of the way. It also sounds like he got some advice for this run from that Pete who did the trans con run in the US. Anyways he does talk about some of the choices made, so worth a listen unless that is too much of a time commitment for the speculators.
Do the Guinness rules at least specify a minimum distance? It's weird they don't have a specified start and end point for the record either. Why not skip the ferry and start at Stanley Park?
Can I set the Pike's peak record starting 3/4 from the top and run down the course?
jesseriley wrote:
Spoiler alert: in three articles for UltraRunning in ‘91 I have a partial list of Al’s solo runs, amazing stuff. Of course, he already held the 1300-mile world record and would break it again. Hard to see such an inexperienced runner at these distances destroying Al’s times.
Spoiler alert: this inexperienced runner is faster than Al over 24hr, 48hr and 72hours
Guess what? We all know Al was a great runner. But it’s possible Dave could be better
jesseriley wrote:
Spoiler alert: in three articles for UltraRunning in ‘91 I have a partial list of Al’s solo runs, amazing stuff. Of course, he already held the 1300-mile world record and would break it again. Hard to see such an inexperienced runner at these distances destroying Al’s times.
No one cares about a 1300 world record or 1400 mile world record or 700 mile world record. Runners care about time for a mile or 5k , something many pursue. 1991 was 28 years ago dude!
Who Cares ? wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Spoiler alert: in three articles for UltraRunning in ‘91 I have a partial list of Al’s solo runs, amazing stuff. Of course, he already held the 1300-mile world record and would break it again. Hard to see such an inexperienced runner at these distances destroying Al’s times.
No one cares about a 1300 world record or 1400 mile world record or 700 mile world record. Runners care about time for a mile or 5k , something many pursue. 1991 was 28 years ago dude!
People do care, dude.
By your logic, no one would care about this record attempt either, as very few pursue that? Or Jurek's new book on
running a few thousand miles on the Appalachian trail?
No one here has been posting about 5k runners or mile runners.
28 years ago?
How about 40 years ago? You think books on Prefontaine don't sell? Running is timeless.
Pioneers, those that ran in racing flats, with no gels, gps, form-fitting Altra's and Hoka's, have stories
to tell. They are the reason we do it now.
Disagree if you will; we all have our own quirky opinions, but keep out of stupidity and age-bashing, because it's
just plain ignorant.
dbjared wrote:
Who Cares ? wrote:
No one cares about a 1300 world record or 1400 mile world record or 700 mile world record. Runners care about time for a mile or 5k , something many pursue. 1991 was 28 years ago dude!
People do care, dude.
By your logic, no one would care about this record attempt either, as very few pursue that? Or Jurek's new book on
running a few thousand miles on the Appalachian trail?
No one here has been posting about 5k runners or mile runners.
28 years ago?
How about 40 years ago? You think books on Prefontaine don't sell? Running is timeless.
Pioneers, those that ran in racing flats, with no gels, gps, form-fitting Altra's and Hoka's, have stories
to tell. They are the reason we do it now.
Disagree if you will; we all have our own quirky opinions, but keep out of stupidity and age-bashing, because it's
just plain ignorant.
No one cares . I have never , ever in my life, ever heard a person or sports commentator say " wonder when the next 1400 mile record attempts will be ". 28 years ago , time to move on dude.
No, my job is to remember. Also to take lots of abuse for the team. It’s nothing new, after 5 transcon races.
Pete’s run helps, sure, but did he do it in 12-hour days?
jesseriley wrote:
Pete’s run helps, sure, but did he do it in 12-hour days?
Regularly more than 12 hrs. Nearly 14 some days. A real ultra runner would know this. His Garmin data is still up.
Stunningly —I have not bother to look at hPete's Garmin since his US Transcon—, Pete has a route plot for a run that goes from Kenai, Alaska (west coast near Anchorage) and goes all the way to Key West, Florida. YOWSER! Some 8500 km (5300 mi)!
https://share.garmin.com/PeterKostelnickBack ground check wrote:
What sort of background check did you do on this guy, his current mental health and the “facts” in the actual article he wrote before you decided to publish the article on your web site? Did you even speak with him personally? I’d get some legal advice, your disclaimer is crap. A quick read of the guys comments here and a review of the article he wrote should have set up some alarm bells for you guys. What professional threshold do you even have before publishing an article? None?
How is our diclaimer crap? We said it's a "guest column" and his opinion only. That's pretty darn straightforward.
If you aren't smart enough to figure out what that means, then that's a you problem not a me problem. Plus the guy never said he was cheating. He just said he had some questions.
Exactly! It says Pete’s night break generally 7pm-330am, breaks en route! Just what David Proctor never does!
jesseriley wrote:
Exactly! It says Pete’s night break generally 7pm-330am, breaks en route! Just what David Proctor never does!
What? Is Dave running throughout the night? His Garmin data shows runs shorter in time than Pete K. ButPete was covering more distance (120km) per day than Dave (~110km).