Best All-Time HS All-Star XC Team by State

pre841 wrote:

This is who I currently have for NY. Please let me know who McCarthy should replace.

New York

1. Dave Pottetti

2. John Gregorek (8:50.7 for 2 mi; 12:31 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

3. Luis Ostolozaga (12:16.4 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

4. John Trautmann (8:44.53c for 2 mi)

5. Matt Centrowitz (8:56.2 for 2 mi)

6. Kevin McCarey

7. Josh McDougal (8:48.11 for 2 mi)

McCarey.

You have to boot somebody off that list and add Ryan Eichner, 1969 and 1970 5A state champion over the likes of Randy Smith, Kent McDonald and Marc Thompson.

XC "ONLY" wrote:

Rich Kimball has to be on California's team. He went undefeated in fall of 1973 dominating everyone including Kingery. He also ran 13:43.6 3-mile on track that fall and then was the World Junior cross country champion.

I'm not including anything he did on the track.

Terry Williams also should be on it. Just look him to see how good he was the fall of 1972.

You DID just mention he ran a 13:43.6 on the TRACK. Hello?

STOP with the TRACK TIMES people! The OP ask for "Best All-Time HS All-Star XC".

"XC" means Cross Country on a "Cross Country Course".

No need to try to build a case for ANY runner by dropping Track Times in the equation.

Look at the body of work that they have done ( in XC ) throughout H.S. and then decide. One good year or season their senior year ( in 72' or 73') does not make them an All-timer![/quote]

That 13:43.6 on the track was part of the cross country season back in the 70's part of the 2 and 3 miles POSTAL races we ran. That is why I included that POSTAL result.

Kimball and Williams were not one season wonders.

Read this:

Beaner wrote:

pre841 wrote:

This is what I have for MA currently. Please let me know who Green should replace on this current roster.

Massachusetts

1. Abdirizak Mohammed

2. Alberto Salazar (8:53.8 for 2mi; 14:04.8 for 5k; 12:22.5 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

3. Andy Powell

4. Franklyn Sanchez

5. Jonathan Riley

6. Art Dulong

7. Mike Mahon

You've got it right. Green was good, but not good enough to make that list.

Take out Mahon and put Green in. Salazar's track times are irrelevant in this context and aside from VCP what else did he do in XC?

Not sure I'd have any list for Ill. without Torrez.

Beaner wrote:

pre841 wrote:

This is what I have for MA currently. Please let me know who Green should replace on this current roster.

Massachusetts

1. Abdirizak Mohammed

2. Alberto Salazar (8:53.8 for 2mi; 14:04.8 for 5k; 12:22.5 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

3. Andy Powell

4. Franklyn Sanchez

5. Jonathan Riley

6. Art Dulong

7. Mike Mahon

You've got it right. Green was good, but not good enough to make that list.

Brilliant list. The addition of Mahon is the icing on the cake. There are a lot of great runners not on the list, but I guarantee that if you asked those top 6 they'd want Mahon there too.

Great thread.

old north state wrote:

North Carolina Boys:

Jake Huryz

Jack Bolas

Ryan Hill

Matt Debole

Thomas Graham

Blake Williams

Since you gave six runners, this is what I now have for NC:

North Carolina

1. Bobby Mack

2. Jake Huryz

3. Jack Bolas

4. Ryan Hill

5. Matt Debole

6. Thomas Graham

7. Blake Williams

So here are the changes that I've made to rosters based on the many "clear" suggestions. If you don't see the change you wanted made, please copy and paste just the state you want changed (from this updated list) and give the change you want made: delete Runner X & add: Runner Z.

Don't give me choices to make because I won't. I know CA pretty well and OR very well. Otherwise, I'm just an editor. Also be sure to list what state you're talking about.

I see that some of you are getting persnickety over the inclusion of track times. Here is what I wrote earlier today regarding that:

"As the person who started this thread, I certainly was looking for the top XC team by state. In figuring out how to possibly score a meet like this, I would certainly welcome the addition of track times in order to give a comparative measure of athletes between states. Figuring out the seven that makes up a state's roster is easier comparing in-state runners by head to head competition or based on times from the same XC course. Ultimately, PRs from track times will be needed to compare competitors from across the states."

Illinois

1) Lukas Verzbicas (8:29.46 for 2 mi)

2) Craig Virgin (8:40.9 for 2 mi/13:58 for 5k)

3) Chris Derrick (13:55.6 for 5k)

4) Dave Merrick

5) Matt Withrow

6) Tom Graves (8:51.9 for 2 mi)

7) Jorge Torres

Oregon (all XC times (5000m) except for Pre are from LCC state meet XC course)

1. Steve Prefontaine (14:29 converted from 11:30 for 2.5 mi; 8:41.6 for 2 mi; 13:43 for 3 mi)

2. Galen Rupp (14:55; 13:37.91 for 5k)

3. Billy McChesney (14:51; 28:58 for 6 mi)

4. Matthew Maton (14:45)

5. Jeff Hess (14:33)

6. Ian Dobson (15:38)

7 Kenny Klotz (15:03)

California

1. Jeff Nelson (8:36.3 for 2 mi;14:32 for Mt. SAC @ 2.93 mi; 14:15 for 5k)

2. Eric Hulst (8:44.9 for 2 mi; 9:52.7 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi; 4x state 2mi champ; 3x 1mi state champ)

3. Thom Hunt (8:45.2 for 2 mi; 9:45 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06mi)

4. German Fernandez (8:34.4 for 2 mi)

5. Terry Williams (9:48 for Mt. SAC @ 2.06 mi)

6. Ralph Serna (8:45.9 for 2 mi)

7. Rich Kimball (8:51.0 for 2 mi; 14:26.8 for 5k)

Colorado:

1. Adam Goucher

2. Jon Sinclair

3. Brent Vaughn

4. Evan Appel

5. Jon Hume

6. Kevin Williams

7. Conner Winter

Michigan

1. Dathan Rtizenhein (13:44.70 for 5k)

2. Grant Fisher

3. Greg Meyer

4. Herb Lindsay

5. Todd Williams

6. Brian Grosso

7. Abdul Alzindani

Minnesota:

1. Garry Bjorkland

2. Rob Finnerty

3. Ben Blankenship

4. Hassan Mead

5. Garret Heath

6. Elliot Heath

7. Obsa Ali

Massachusetts

1. Abdirizak Mohammed

2. Alberto Salazar (8:53.8 for 2mi; 14:04.8 for 5k; 12:22.5 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

3. Andy Powell

4. Franklyn Sanchez

5. Jonathan Riley

6. Art Dulong

7. Jonathan Green

Ohio

1 George Nicholas

2. Alan Scharsu (8:44.03 for 2mi)

3 Scott Fry (8:47.02 c for 2 mi; 14:19 for 5k)

4 Bob Kennedy

5 Bob Mau (14:58 for 5k XC)

6 John Zishka (8:53.0 for 2mi; 13:55.65 for 5k)

7 Zach Wills

Indiana .

1. Rudy Chapa (8:51 for 2 mi)

2. Futsum Zeinasellassie

3. Nef Aria

4. Christian Wagner

5. Ben Veatch

6. Mike Fout

7. De'sean Turner

Alaska

1.Trevor Dunbar

2. Levi Thomet

3. Don Clary (9:04.4 for 2 mi)

4. Miguel Gomez

5. Doug Herron

6. Ty Jordan

7. Laird Prosser

New York

1. Dave Pottetti

2. John Gregorek (8:50.7 for 2 mi; 12:31 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

3. Luis Ostolozaga (12:16.4 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

4. John Trautmann (8:44.53c for 2 mi)

5. Matt Centrowitz (8:56.2 for 2 mi)

6.John McCarthy

7. Josh McDougal (8:48.11 for 2 mi)

New Jersey

1. Ches

2. Joe Rosa (8:44.06 for 2 mi)

3. Jim Rosa

4. Marty Liquori (14;23.2 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

5. Forys

6. Di Joseph

7. Brad Hudson (12:15.7 for VCP @ 2.5 mi)

Virginia

1. Alan Webb (14:43 5k; 8:45i 2mi)

2. Drew Hunter (14:26 5k; 8:42 2mi)

3. Bobby Lockhart (14:43 5k; 8:58 2mi)

4. Sean McGorty (14:28 5k; 8:46 3200)

5. Charles Alexander (8:55 2-mi; 14:51 Kinney Nationals)

6. Jim Hill 8:56 2mi

7. George Watts 14:35 3-mile XC

Wisconsin

1. Chris Solinsky (8:46.44c for 2 mi)

2. John Easker

3. Tim Hacker

4. Keith Hanson

5. Steve Lacy

6. Chris Rombough

7. Scott Jenkins

Utah

1. Ed Eyestone

2. Josh Rohatinsky

3. Luke Puskedra

4. Austin West

5. Ben Saarel

6. Connor McMillan

7. Connor Mantz

Mississippi

1. George Kersh

2. Jake Raines

3. Robert Scribner

4. Max Holman

5. Kyle Lewis

6. Brian Pope

North Carolina

1. Bobby Mack

2. Jake Huryz

3. Jack Bolas

4. Ryan Hill

5. Matt Debole

6. Thomas Graham

7. Blake Williams

Connecticut

1. Kevin King

2. JT Burke

3. Ahmed Haji

4. Donn Cabral

5. Alex Ostberg

6. Gavin Coombs

Washington

1. Gerry Lindgren (8:40i for 2 mi; 13:44 for 5k)

2. Matt Davis

3. Tanner Anderson

4. Issac Hawkins

5. John Dressel

6. Andrew Gardner

7. Rick Reilly (8:48.4 for 2mi; 14:00.2 for 5k)

South Dakota

1. Greg Jimmerson - 2nd at Footlocker Nats, 3 x AA XC State Champ, 9:04.10 (3200m)

2. Tony Smoragiewicz - 3rd & 7th at Footlocker Nats, 2 x AA XC State Champ, 4:12.80 (1600), 8:57.10 (3200)

3. Harley Hanson - 3rd at Footlocker Nats, 3 x B XC State Champ, 4:15.86 (1600m), 9:12.44 (3200m)

4. Addison DeHaven - 32nd and 18th at Footlocker Nats, 2 x AA XC State Champ, 4:14.91 (1600m), 9:00.19 (3200m)

5. Erik Grumstrup - 19th at Footlocker Nats, 3 x AA XC State Champ, 4:12.60 (1600m), 8:56.30 (3200m)

6. Jim Reinhart - 3 x AA XC State Champ, 1:50.50 (800m), 4:06.30 (1600m), 9:06.50 (3200m) in the 1970s

7. Rod DeHaven - 1 x AA XC State Champ, 4:09.80 (1600m), 9:08.59 (3200m)

Nebraska

1. Colby Wissel

2. Seth Hirsch

3. Brian Turner

4. Todd Guilizia

5. Nate Nielsen

6. Paul Schultz

7. David Adams

Arkansas

1. Brian Baker

2. Eric Gross

3. Gabe Gonzales

4. Aaron Hamilton

5. Brendan Taylor

6. Will Aenchbacher

7. Cameron Efurd

Kentucky

1. Jimmy Herald

2. Thomas Murley

3. Bobby Curtis

4. Rob Shoaf

5. Mike Wilson

Kansas

1. Jim Ryun

2. Brent Steiner (8:47.0 for 2 mi)

3. Steve Fein

4. Billy Mills

5. Lane Boyer

6. Kevin Newkirk

7. Chris Williams

Iowa

1. Phil Coppess

2. Mark Johnson

3. Matt Gabrielson

4. Josh Moen

5. Kiel Uhl

6. Thomas Pollard

7. Jim Eicken

Maine

1. Bruce Bickford

2. Ben True

3. Dan Curts

4. Matt McClintock

5. Will Geohegan

6. Louie Luchini

7. Matt Lane

Pennsylvania

1. Craig Miller

2. Dan Coval

3. Ian Gottesfeld

4. Tony Russell

5. Paul Springer

6. Paul Vandegrift

7. Mike McWilliams

Georgia

1. Ben Hubers

2. Kirubel Erassa

3. Girma Mecheso

4. Josh Brickell

5. Ralph King

6. Travis Grindstaff

7. Willie Nelson

Texas

1. Reuben Reina

2. Craig Lutz

3. Brad Hauser

4. Brent Hauser

5. Steve Magness

6. Bobby Aguirre

7. Alan Culpepper

Maryland

1. Solmon Haile

2. Matther Centrowitz Jr.

3. Mike Fertig

4. Gordon Oliver

5. Jim Peterson

6. John Scherer

7. Pascal Dobert

Florida

1. Keith Brantley (9:03 2 mi)

2. Brett Hoffman (8:53 2 mi)

3. Herb Wills (9:00 2 mi)

4. Andres Arroyo (8:51 3200)

5. Brian Jaeger (8:57 2 mi)

6. Steven Hassen (8:52 3200m)

7. Basil Magee (9:02 2 mi)

New Mexico

1. Tony Sandoval

2. George Young

3. Chuck Aragon

4. Shadrack Kiptoo (8:45.02 for 2 mi; 4:02 mi)

5. Matt Tebo (8:47 2 mi)

6. David Krumanacker

7. Brandon Leslie

Wyoming

1. Jim McCreery

2. Rob Marney

3. Brody Smith

4. Matt Heller

Missouri

1. Joe Falcon

2. Matt Tegenkamp

3. Jason Pyrah

4. Mark Curp

5. Jeff Pigg

6. Chris Borsa

7. Chris Zinn

New Hampshire

1. Matt Downin

2. John Mortimer

3. Russell Brown

4. Guor Majak

5. Alex Hernandez

6. Cory Thorne

7. Mark Kimball

We still need rosters for:

Alabama

Arizona

Delaware

Hawaii

Idaho

Louisiana Bobby Beck, John Ratcliffe

Montana

Nevada

North Dakota

Oklahoma

Rhode Island

South Carolina

Tennessee Andrew Bumbalough (8:49.87 for 2 mi)

Vermont

West Virginia

That 13:43.6 on the track was part of the cross country season back in the 70's part of the 2 and 3 miles POSTAL races we ran. That is why I included that POSTAL result.

Kimball and Williams were not one season wonders.

Read this:

[/quote]

Agreed. Our school record holder, Chris Hoffman ran his 2 mile PR of 9:06 at the Postal Meet (XC season). Kimball and Williams are on the roster with no apologies to the folks who want to see Hall, Mercado, Rocha, Moussa, Tamagno,or Acosta on the CA team.

Mr. OAR wrote:

Take out Mahon and put Green in. Salazar's track times are irrelevant in this context and aside from VCP what else did he do in XC?

He finished 5th in the 1976 world junior XC race.

quendal forsa wrote:

wayupnorth wrote:

to fill out out Alaska's top 7 i'll add 2 for now, might switch it up

6. Ty Jordan : 4:15 1600, 15:38 XC 5k on muddy course , same course that Dunbar and Thomet ran ~15:10 at their best, 50.6 400m so has closing speed

7. Laird Prosser - 4:15 1600 as HS soph, 3:46 1500 as freshman in college, challenged gomez consistently on the track

Jake Pariesen? Was 2nd to T. Dunbar a couple times, and ran 9:11 in the 3200.

yeah i strongly considered Pariesen based on his 9:11 but didn't see any times in XC below about 16:30. For that matter, I haven't seen any sub 16:00's from prosser so think he might need to be swapped out for either Norm Rousey or Jake Bartholomy who traded championships back and forth in the late 80's/early 90's, i'll need to find some times.

Massachusetts

Mahon > Green

(Not sure why you took one posters opinion over three others. )

Serious, you're going to count Kimball's 2mi and 5k track creds over Moussa's same 2mi time and 20 sec faster over 5K?

Rich Kimball ran 4:02 and 8:46 in HS.

Salazar also finished in the top 25 at the 1975 senior national cross county meet running sub 30 for 10 km on the Naval Academy course.

And the big elephant in the room left out.......Footlocker Champion Tim Moore! Might not have the times, but he was Footlocker champ

Quaker.... wrote:

Rich Kimball ran 4:02 and 8:46 in HS.

His xc stature is secure by virtue of his World Junior win in 1974. Track times provide additional color but are otherwise irrelavant when a runners xc cred has been clearly established.

malmo wrote:

Quaker.... wrote:

Rich Kimball ran 4:02 and 8:46 in HS.

His xc stature is secure by virtue of his World Junior win in 1974. Track times provide additional color but are otherwise irrelavant when a runners xc cred has been clearly established.

Agreed, George. Back before Kinney and NXN, the best high school XC runners ran AAU XC Nats and the very best qualified for World Juniors.

The marks for Kimball are reported because he is listed as an 8:51 2 miler on the earlier CA list. His HS PB was faster.

Pre841 wrote:

malmo wrote:

His xc stature is secure by virtue of his World Junior win in 1974. Track times provide additional color but are otherwise irrelavant when a runners xc cred has been clearly established.

Agreed, George. Back before Kinney and NXN, the best high school XC runners ran AAU XC Nats and the very best qualified for World Juniors.