2014 College Track and Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Heps Gal 23 wrote:

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Can you please send me the link to this study which produced the "latest statistics" that you speak of.

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President Barack Obama's White House Council on Women and Girls just released a report of past and prospective administration actions titled "Rape and Sexual Assault: A Renewed Call to Action" to highlight the epidemic of rapes on college campuses. Indeed, according to the report, "No one is more at risk of being raped or sexually assaulted than women at our nation's colleges and universities." One in five students has been assaulted, but just 12 percent of them report the violence. Because many attacks occur at parties, victims often are "abused while they're drunk, under the influence of drugs, passed out or otherwise incapacitated."

Read more:

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202642524665/Editorial%3A-Preventing-Sexual-Assaults-On-College-Campuses#ixzz2t3pccPyi

Somebody help me here. what does this have to do with coaching opportunities??

ray wrote:

Heps Gal 23 wrote:

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President Barack Obama's White House Council on Women and Girls just released a report of past and prospective administration actions titled "Rape and Sexual Assault: A Renewed Call to Action" to highlight the epidemic of rapes on college campuses. Indeed, according to the report, "No one is more at risk of being raped or sexually assaulted than women at our nation's colleges and universities." One in five students has been assaulted, but just 12 percent of them report the violence. Because many attacks occur at parties, victims often are "abused while they're drunk, under the influence of drugs, passed out or otherwise incapacitated."

Read more:

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202642524665/Editorial%3A-Preventing-Sexual-Assaults-On-College-Campuses#ixzz2t3pccPyi

Somebody help me here. what does this have to do with coaching opportunities??

trick question: it doesn't.

please don't feed the sexual assault troll.

Thank you for the mature response.

Next to race, gender identification is the single most divisive topic in the U.S. Why? Either you can get it done or you can't. That applies to every single pursuit in life. To keep it running related, the most successful Cross Country/Track & Field coach in NCAA history, John McDonnell chose to NEVER coach women. Why do you think he took that stance?

Vicki Hubers Glory wrote:

Next to race, gender identification is the single most divisive topic in the U.S. Why? Either you can get it done or you can't. That applies to every single pursuit in life. To keep it running related, the most successful Cross Country/Track & Field coach in NCAA history, John McDonnell chose to NEVER coach women. Why do you think he took that stance?

John McDonnell hated women's running. He once said (privately, and now passed down to others) that the only female runner he could even stand to watch run was Tiffany McWilliams. McDonnell not coaching women was only because he didn't think they were worth it. So he's definitely not your role model for women's right to coach.

Another Coach wrote:

Vicki Hubers Glory wrote:

Next to race, gender identification is the single most divisive topic in the U.S. Why? Either you can get it done or you can't. That applies to every single pursuit in life. To keep it running related, the most successful Cross Country/Track & Field coach in NCAA history, John McDonnell chose to NEVER coach women. Why do you think he took that stance?

John McDonnell hated women's running. He once said (privately, and now passed down to others) that the only female runner he could even stand to watch run was Tiffany McWilliams. McDonnell not coaching women was only because he didn't think they were worth it. So he's definitely not your role model for women's right to coach.

Never said he was, never said he was. By the way, he also said he liked watching Kay Gooch and Vicki Huber. He loved front runners.

Jumping Timmy Too Tall wrote:

Olivet Nazarene Has a full time throws coach. They are looking for a full time jumps coach now. Job hasn't been posted yet but I'd expect it to be posted soon from what my kid says.

How big is their staff? Its pretty rare for smaller colleges to have that many full time assistants

he also said he liked watching Kay Gooch and Vicki Huber.

This is a guy who came out of the third world (1960's Ire/Ark). What would you expect.

job seeker wrote:

I was not stating my personal opinions but what I have found in qualitative and quantitative research. Relying on personal anecdotal evidence as you are is frowned on in the real world because it's often wrong. I've been in the business a while too and, anecdotally speaking, females prefer a female coach. For whatever reason they choose me over all the guy coaches in my region.

You're adorable! You criticize anecdotal evidence at the start of your post and then can't resist presenting some of your own at the end. But I am very interested in your empirical data. You are in possession of qualitative and quantitative research supporting your claims? That's terrific! I'm assuming this research will stand up to reliability and validity scrutiny. Would you be so kind as to share this research with the unwashed masses on LR?

I bet you one kazillion dollars you choose not to. ;-)

So sweet, though!

how many zeros are in a kazillion;)? It has passed the test of reliability and validity for peer reviewed journal publications. Ill give you a hint...Tivnan. I co-authored some of it.... guess which author I am.

So you won't share it with us? Pity. I was actually looking forward to reading it. Can I ask why the secrecy on this groundbreaking research? It seems like LR would be a great place to share the findings.

It's not secret...it's in google scholar, EBSCO, all over the internets. Heres is one (not mine/ no way I'm putting my name on LR!)

http://epe.sagepub.com/content/6/1/91.short

Now about that Kazillion dollars... according to the internet that's somewhere between a million and a billion. I'll assume you bet a billion because you know LR is great place to make bets. Pay up.

(Let's keep sexual assault comments out of the conversation about males coaching females for the moment.)

The playing field is not equal, unless, say, all the guys here can say, Heck yeah! I definitely want to be coached at the college level by a woman!

No double standard here right? Right...

Women do in fact like to be coached by female and by male coaches, not just male coaches.

I have Div.1 experience, the qualifications, a settled family life, and have made an Olympic team.

If the administration wants a female for this position I feel I can make a case that I can recruit an Ivy League championship CC team on paper and develop the individuals so they make the best of their talents. Let's do it in Hanover!

A. No one cares.

B. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to take your resume over comments in a message board.

C. Still, no one cares.

AppleCore wrote:

I want this job. Former Olympian (not US) who will recruit the region hard and add a foreign element in off-years to balance out a top squad. Yes I am a woman who is currently HC at a low Div.1 school.

My U' has never made the NCAA's which isn't a comment on my abilities because we aren't that type of program. Got the degrees and exp. level and am ready to take a step up (to Durham).

I have Div.1 experience, the qualifications, a settled family life, and have made an Olympic team.

If the administration wants a female for this position I feel I can make a case that I can recruit an Ivy League championship CC team on paper and develop the individuals so they make the best of their talents. Let's do it in Hanover!

Just a few things, AppleCore. First, as a coach, especially a Div. I coach, results are ALWAYS a comment on your abilities. Do you think because you say it isn't that it isn't? The bottom line is that you haven't gotten it done in the opportunity that you've been given. For an Olympian, you sure are standing on a pretty big excuse. No body cares that "you don't have the resources" or "your school doesn't have the rep of bigger schools" or "my AD doesn't support my sport as much as I'd like" so it is hard to recruit. Tough. If you don't have resources, go get them-plenty of coaches have had to think outside the box and become excellent fundraisers. If you can't land blue chip talent and can only get B-C level talent, then you build your team with that. Pretty soon, the kids and coaches will notice, then you'll get some solid B talent, then you'll get lucky maybe get a blue chip type kid-don't screw it up. That's how it works if you have the skills. Every road is tough, and for some it's really tough, but a good coach can get it done anywhere because they are not concerned with reasons for failure, too busy trying to succeed.

If you think I'm spouting out of my rear-end, guess again. I have 9 years of Div. I experience(3 as a volunteer, and 6 as a paid HC Cross./Asst. Track). I too paid my dues at "low DI school," whatever that means. During my 6 years as a paid assistant when I was in charge, I qualified 13 athletes to the national meet, 6 earned All American certs. when my athletes toed the line in the final, their singlet's didn't have a special designation that marked them as from a small school. You accept the job in this division, you compete against schools "with more money God" as my college coach used to say. No excuses.

One last thing about "your degrees and experience level." The coach of the most successful CC/T7F program in the history of DI NCAA never made an Olympic team and was qualified as a high school woodshop/metal shop teacher. Don't stand to hard on your education and appointed Olympic position, he had neither.

AppleCore wrote:

I want this job. Former Olympian (not US) who will recruit the region hard and add a foreign element in off-years to balance out a top squad. Yes I am a woman who is currently HC at a low Div.1 school.

My U' has never made the NCAA's which isn't a comment on my abilities because we aren't that type of program. Got the degrees and exp. level and am ready to take a step up (to Durham).

I have Div.1 experience, the qualifications, a settled family life, and have made an Olympic team.

If the administration wants a female for this position I feel I can make a case that I can recruit an Ivy League championship CC team on paper and develop the individuals so they make the best of their talents. Let's do it in Hanover!

Just a few things, AppleCore. First, as a coach, especially a Div. I coach, results are ALWAYS a comment on your abilities. Do you think because you say it isn't that it isn't? The bottom line is that you haven't gotten it done in the opportunity that you've been given. For an Olympian, you sure are standing on a pretty big excuse. No body cares that "you don't have the resources" or "your school doesn't have the rep of bigger schools" or "my AD doesn't support my sport as much as I'd like" so it is hard to recruit. Tough. If you don't have resources, go get them-plenty of coaches have had to think outside the box and become excellent fundraisers. If you can't land blue chip talent and can only get B-C level talent, then you build your team with that. Pretty soon, the kids and coaches will notice, then you'll get some solid B talent, then you'll get lucky maybe get a blue chip type kid-don't screw it up. That's how it works if you have the skills. Every road is tough, and for some it's really tough, but a good coach can get it done anywhere because they are not concerned with reasons for failure, too busy trying to succeed.

If you think I'm spouting out of my rear-end, guess again. I have 9 years of Div. I experience(3 as a volunteer, and 6 as a paid HC Cross./Asst. Track). I too paid my dues at "low DI school," whatever that means. During my 6 years as a paid assistant when I was in charge, I qualified 13 athletes to the national meet, 6 earned All American certs. when my athletes toed the line in the final, their singlet's didn't have a special designation that marked them as from a small school. You accept the job in this division, you compete against schools "with more money God" as my college coach used to say. No excuses.

One last thing about "your degrees and experience level." The coach of the most successful CC/T7F program in the history of DI NCAA never made an Olympic team and was qualified as a high school woodshop/metal shop teacher. Don't stand to hard on your education and appointed Olympic position, he had neither.

Tough. If you don't have resources,

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I could name scores of quality schools that will never make the NCAA's. It wasn't because of coaching at UDelaware,Holy Cross,Fordham,UNH,BU et al. They don't have the depth even though they are quality Div.1 U's.

" degrees and experience level."

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It's what they require (in their posting). I'm not wasting their time with anything less than what they want.

Would you still take this stance if you were at a DI XC only school with little to no scholarship and an administration the refuses to add track as a sport?