HEPS Track and Field 2012-13

Not a big surprise to see good marks coming from Brown--they've had a somewhat limited season. Heps team scoring on the men's side is not likely to end up as the 2+2+2+2 scenario (i.e. dual meets for first, third, fifth, and seventh places) that earlier projections seemed to suggest.

Thanks for the info, C/M!

These conversions are puzzling. How can you not convert a 4.00.00 mile on an oversized track to it's equivalent on a banked 200m? I guess that one just stands out as weird to me, seems a lot easier to run fast (more space for passing, gentler turns) on a 300m track than a 200m banked.

The real tough thing to see though is in the men's 3k. The H-Y-P meet on the flat track is dominating the rankings in that event, and as a result some really good runners are going to be left out of the fast heat at Heps. 5 times in the top 10 are conversions. Right now it looks like some guys who have run 809 are going to be left out (nonsense to think anyone at sub 810 doesn't have a shot to win/score when #4-14 are within 4 seconds of each other).

These new conversions are changing the way people run meets. Do we really want teams to have to set up races on flat tracks so that they can run a fast 3k and then get a huge (814-808) boost on their time? This is almost double last year where an 815 changed to 812. I think it's dumb that HYP have this advantage by getting into a fast 3k on a flat track, but I guess it's on the other coaches to have their runners find the right meets?

Princeton results are up. Worthen jumped 4.00m in the vault; otherwise, nothing that really struck my eye in a very cursory look through the Princeton marks.

Sorry, here's the link: http://www.tfrrs.org/results/27423.html

And Penn also had some good marks at Princeton: Jermaine Morris hurdled 8.06, Maalik Reynolds jumped 2.16, Heather Bong sprinted 7.76, and Davielle Brown vaulted 3.80.

Cornell results are likely to be awhile. Any other results up, besides those from Princeton?

Ithacan wrote:

Cornell results are likely to be awhile. Any other results up, besides those from Princeton?

Cornell results:

Penn's 4x800 ran a 7:39.24 at Millrose.

Mato Bekelja (4th place) 1:54.80

Tom Timmins (4th place) 1:54.50 - 3:49.29

Kirk Webb (3rd place) 1:53.95 - 5:43.23

Tim Hamlett (4th place) 1:56.01 - 7:39.24

Does anyone know what the deal is with Penn freshman Drew Magaha? He was a sub 1:50 guy in high school and ran some solid times at the beginning of the year but nothing recently.

Audax wrote:

Does anyone know what the deal is with Penn freshman Drew Magaha? He was a sub 1:50 guy in high school and ran some solid times at the beginning of the year but nothing recently.

i was thinking the same thing. you'd think penn would put him in the millrose games!

Ivy results in #Millrose Wanamaker women's mile:

3rd Kate Grace 4:28.79,

5th Abbey D'Agostino 4:30.03,

11th Ashley Higginson 4:36.63.

WOW

Abbey! new ivy league record for the indoor mile

Cornell results are indeed up and have been added to the Ivy performance lists:

http://www.tfrrs.org/lists/967.html

With many of the Big Red's top performers resting for Heps, they made few changes in the top six or ten of each event.

...except in the men's 400 and 500! Though those were good performances, I'm coming to agree with those who think that there's just too much of a conversion factor at work, between a fairly fast flat 200m track like Cornell's and a banked 200m/220y oval.

In particular, I'd think that men (like those from Cornell and Princeton) who train on a flat track all the time would have acquired the skill to fun flat-track times that were very close to what they could run on a bank.

In any case, the 400/500 meet my definition of "impossible double," so it will be interesting to see how CU distributes its long sprinters. I'll admit to being surprised by BH-R's performance.

...and by Rutger Admirand's. As a freshman last year he was a major force in the 800; this year he's clearly running better at shorter distances. Perhaps health issues are involved, or maybe the coaches just assessed their personnel and realized that he could make more of a contribution at 500m this season, with other guys carrying the load in the 800 (and 1000).

Cornell has a top-six mark in all of the Heps events (right now--the weekend's competition isn't over), and two or more such in ten of the sixteen individual events. If (largely) healthy, they look ready to give Princeton more of a tussle than most of us probably expected, a few months back.

UPDATE ON MY VIRTUAL MEET RANKINGS FEBRUARY 17TH EDITION

I took every athlete's PB from over the past 5 seasons 2011 IN, 2011 OU, 2012 IN, 2012 OU & 2013 IN and ranked the top 12 times/marks

The scoring is not counting 4x4, 4x8, or DMR:

193 Princeton (same as last week)

124.5 Cornell (up 8 from last week)

71 Harvard (same as last week)

44.5 Columbia (down 5.5 from last week)

32 Brown (down 1.5 from last week)

14 Penn (down 1 from last week)

11 Dartmouth (same as last week)

6 Yale (same as last week)

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RNK EVENT NAME TEAM MARK SCORE

1 60 Spooney, John Brown 6.79 7.00

1 60 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 6.79 7.00

1 60 Bain, Chris Cornell 6.79 7.00

1 60 Wilson, Damani Harvard 6.79 7.00

5 60 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 6.80 2.00

6 60 Ezekoye, Andrew Harvard 6.82 1.00

7 60 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 6.83

8 60 Nelson, Lavondre Princeton 6.84

9 60 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 6.87

10 60 Hill, John Princeton 6.88

11 60 McCarthy, Connor Harvard 6.90

12 60 Buskey, Brett Dartmouth 6.92

12 60 Egi, William Princeton 6.92

1 400 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 46.23 10.00

2 400 Hollimon, Austin Princeton 46.47 8.00

3 400 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 46.95 6.00

4 400 Spooney, John Brown 47.71 4.00

5 400 Boyd, Kevin Columbia 47.88 2.00

6 400 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 48.37 1.00

7 400 Miner, Sam Columbia 48.62

8 400 Gibson, Larry Cornell 48.74

9 400 Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 48.77

10 400 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 48.86

11 400 Bishop, Jalil Dartmouth 48.94

12 400 Anderson, Andre Cornell 49.07

1 500 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:02.05 10.00

2 500 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 1:02.95 8.00

3 500 Kovalczyk, Billy Columbia 1:03.60 6.00

4 500 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:03.73 4.00

5 500 Elder, Nathan Brown 1:03.76 1.50

5 500 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:03.76 1.50

7 500 Olloqui, Cisco Cornell 1:03.90

8 500 Timmins, Tom Penn 1:04.13

9 500 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 1:04.23

10 500 Carey, Tim Penn 1:04.27

11 500 Wade, Nick Cornell 1:04.31

12 500 Hamlett, Tim Penn 1:04.35

1 800 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:48.14 10.00

2 800 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:48.26 8.00

3 800 Callahan, Peter Princeton 1:48.66 6.00

4 800 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 1:48.84 4.00

5 800 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:49.41 2.00

6 800 Williams, Michael Princeton 1:49.53 1.00

7 800 Fish, Brendon Columbia 1:49.72

8 800 Weinlandt, Will Cornell 1:49.76

9 800 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 1:49.91

10 800 Wade, Nick Cornell 1:49.92

11 800 Zirngibl, Lukas Dartmouth 1:50.40

12 800 Tufnell, Henry Brown 1:50.42

1 1000 Callahan, Peter Princeton 2:20.78 10.00

2 1000 Willig, Ned Brown 2:22.96 8.00

3 1000 Berg, Erik Brown 2:23.39 6.00

4 1000 Wade, Nick Cornell 2:23.66 4.00

5 1000 Shirvell, James Yale 2:23.85 2.00

6 1000 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 2:23.91 1.00

7 1000 Fish, Brendon Columbia 2:24.10

8 1000 Schilkowsky, John Cornell 2:24.35

9 1000 Jones, Byron Columbia 2:24.99

10 1000 Cooper, Kevin Brown 2:25.67

11 1000 Tansey, Liam Columbia 2:25.70

12 1000 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 2:25.96

1 3K Bleday, John Dartmouth 7:59.33 10.00

2 3K Vitez, Jonathan Princeton 8:04.38 8.00

3 3K Frankin, Michael Princeton 8:04.59 6.00

4 3K Pons, Sam Princeton 8:06.50 4.00

5 3K Schilkowsky, John Cornell 8:06.54 2.00

6 3K Purnell, Tom Harvard 8:06.95 1.00

7 3K Royer, Phil Dartmouth 8:06.96

8 3K Leakos, James Harvard 8:07.71

9 3K Udland, Tyler Princeton 8:08.49

10 3K Murphy, Mike Columbia 8:08.73

11 3K Arnold, Andy Cornell 8:09.23

12 3K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 8:09.25

1 5K Leakos, James Harvard 13:56.93 10.00

2 5K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 13:57.51 8.00

3 5K Arroyo Yamin, Alejandro Princeton 14:02.08 6.00

4 5K Udland, Tyler Princeton 14:05.78 4.00

5 5K Frankin, Michael Princeton 14:06.82 2.00

6 5K Murphy, Mike Columbia 14:07.00 1.00

7 5K Royer, Phil Dartmouth 14:07.48

8 5K Snyder, Paul Columbia 14:07.81

9 5K Bleday, John Dartmouth 14:07.89

10 5K Kelly, Brett Cornell 14:09.17

11 5K Vitez, Jonathan Princeton 14:09.37

12 5K Composto, Nico Columbia 14:13.41

1 60H Mohr, Robert Princeton 7.91 10.00

2 60H Harris, Jarvis Harvard 8.02 8.00

3 60H Sheldon, Richard Princeton 8.10 5.00

3 60H Caldwell, Gregory Princeton 8.10 5.00

5 60H Hairston, Max Cornell 8.12 2.00

6 60H Carey, Tim Penn 8.19 1.00

7 60H Evanter, Jacob Dartmouth 8.22

8 60H Zeller, Zach Cornell 8.25

9 60H Moan, Tim Harvard 8.27

10 60H Barry, Seck Penn 8.28

11 60H Hanninen, Jon Cornell 8.29

12 60H Hopkins, Tom Princeton 8.32

1 HEP Soerens, Stephen Princeton 5116 10.00

2 HEP Sheldon, Richard Princeton 5100 8.00

3 HEP Hopkins, Tom Princeton 5086 6.00

4 HEP Rhodes, Peter Brown 5055 4.00

5 HEP Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 5037 2.00

6 HEP Pelisek, Brad Princeton 4941 1.00

7 HEP Weinstock, Evan Brown 4903

8 HEP Hynes, Ryan Cornell 4818

9 HEP Oslin, Brian Princeton 4811

10 HEP Athanasopoulos, Nick Cornell 4721

11 HEP Barjon, Jacques Harvard 4633

12 HEP Hanninen, Jon Cornell 4565

1 HJ Reynolds, Maalik Penn 2.28m 10.00

2 HJ Blair, Montez Cornell 2.27m 8.00

3 HJ Afadapa, Stephen Cornell 2.16m 6.00

4 HJ Butler, Tommy Cornell 2.14m 4.00

5 HJ Jarrett, Omar Princeton 2.07m 2.00

6 HJ Pitt, Thomas Penn 2.06m 1.00

7 HJ Stancil, Hercules Cornell 2.04m

7 HJ Birck, Jeremy Dartmouth 2.04m

7 HJ Sparks, Jonathan Harvard 2.04m

10 HJ Scott, Dan Cornell 2.03m

10 HJ Yoder, Sam Dartmouth 2.03m

12 HJ Soerens, Stephen Princeton 2.02m

1 LJ Bell, Steven Cornell 7.50m 10.00

2 LJ Hopkins, Tom Princeton 7.43m 7.00

2 LJ McLean, Damon Princeton 7.43m 7.00

4 LJ Stancil, Hercules Cornell 7.40m 4.00

5 LJ Soerens, Stephen Princeton 7.33m 2.00

6 LJ Blair, Montez Cornell 7.29m 1.00

7 LJ Chew, Han Wei Cornell 7.23m

8 LJ Molidor, Shane Princeton 7.20m

9 LJ Rodriguez, Malcolm Harvard 7.19m

10 LJ Athanasopoulos, Nick Cornell 7.17m

10 LJ White, Jourdan Cornell 7.17m

12 LJ Lindberg, Dana Yale 7.05m

1 MILE Callahan, Peter Princeton 3:58.76 10.00

2 MILE Wade, Nick Cornell 4:00.00 8.00

3 MILE Everett, Daniel Columbia 4:00.42 6.00

4 MILE Feigen, Mark Columbia 4:00.74 4.00

5 MILE Gregorek, John Columbia 4:01.98 2.00

6 MILE Korolev, Maksim Harvard 4:02.21 1.00

7 MILE Berg, Erik Brown 4:02.31

8 MILE Cooper, Kevin Brown 4:02.69

9 MILE Williams, Michael Princeton 4:02.74

10 MILE Bleday, John Dartmouth 4:02.89

11 MILE Schilkowsky, John Cornell 4:02.91

12 MILE Jones, Byron Columbia 4:03.79

1 PV Weiler, Nico Harvard 5.50m 10.00

2 PV Roach, Peter Cornell 5.17m 8.00

3 PV Bragg, Adam Princeton 5.06m 6.00

4 PV Garin, Fedor Harvard 5.01m 4.00

5 PV Rayburn, Keith Cornell 4.90m 2.00

6 PV Kim, David Cornell 4.85m 1.00

7 PV Chandler, Paul Yale 4.80m

8 PV Pawlak, Steven Cornell 4.75m

9 PV Coneway, David Princeton 4.70m

10 PV Cyphers, Josh Dartmouth 4.65m

10 PV Sullivan, Brendan Yale 4.65m

12 PV Gilson, Brett Dartmouth 4.55m

1 SP Mozia, Stephen Cornell 19.89m 10.00

2 SP Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.07m 8.00

3 SP Brode, Dustin Harvard 17.82m 6.00

4 SP Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 17.53m 4.00

5 SP Brenza, Jacob Penn 17.25m 2.00

6 SP Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.93m 1.00

7 SP Brucker, Edward Harvard 16.83m

8 SP Tenpas, Ben Cornell 16.34m

9 SP Rushton, Scott Princeton 16.15m

10 SP Braun, Jesse Cornell 15.90m

11 SP Mattis, Sam Penn 15.59m

12 SP Miller, Matthew Brown 15.27m

1 TJ McLean, Damon Princeton 16.03m 10.00

2 TJ Scott, Dan Cornell 15.51m 8.00

3 TJ Owusu-Nyanteky, Nana Princeton 15.50m 6.00

4 TJ Bell, Steven Cornell 15.16m 4.00

5 TJ Thompson, Kenneth Brown 15.00m 1.50

5 TJ Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 15.00m 1.50

7 TJ Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.80m

8 TJ Padmore, Jonathan Brown 14.76m

9 TJ Chew, Han Wei Cornell 14.59m

10 TJ Blair, Montez Cornell 14.24m

11 TJ Straughn, Nick Penn 14.13m

12 TJ Jett, Jordan Penn 13.98m

1 WT Rhodes, Bryan Cornell 18.62m 9.00

1 WT Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.62m 9.00

3 WT Dickerson, Duncan Columbia 18.15m 6.00

4 WT Levine, Michael Yale 17.96m 4.00

5 WT Brode, Dustin Harvard 17.94m 2.00

6 WT Mozia, Stephen Cornell 17.93m 1.00

7 WT Fiedler, Bob Cornell 17.70m

8 WT Polega, Matthew Harvard 17.17m

9 WT Servino, Thomas Dartmouth 16.79m

10 WT Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.42m

11 WT Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 16.18m

12 WT Brenza, Jacob Penn 15.79m

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NOW TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IMPOSSIBLE DOUBLES 400/500, 500/800, 800/1000, 800/MILE etc I projected who would drop from the top 12 to compete in a different event.

NOTE: I had Wade doing a 1000/Mile and I had Callahan not doing a 1000/Mile double this time around

400m Remove Dinkins (PRI); Hortelano-Roig (COR)

+3 Columbia

+2 Brown

+1 Cornell

-6 Princeton

500m Remove McFann (COL); Admirand (COR); Wade (COR); Claflin (COL)

+2.5 Brown

+2 Cornell

+1 Penn

-5.5 Columbia

800m Remove Dinkins (PRI); Callahan (PRI); Paternostro (PRI); Wade (COR); Fish (COL)

+6 Cornell

+4 Columbia

+1 Dartmouth

-11 Princeton

1000m Remove Admirand (COR); Cooper (BRO); Callahan (PRI)

NO CHANGE

+4 Brown

+2 Yale

+2 Cornell

+1 Columbia

-9 Princeton

MILE Remove Williams (PRI); Jones (COL); Schilkowsky (COR); Berg (BRO)

NO CHANGE

3000m

NO CHANGE

5000m Remove Bleday (DAR)

NO CHANGE

Total Change to virtual scores based on removing athletes for impossible doubles

+11 Cornell

+8.5 Brown

+2.5 Columbia

+2 Yale

+1 Penn

+1 Dartmouth

-26 Princeton

THUS...

167 Princeton

135.5 Cornell

71 Harvard

47 Columbia

40.5 Brown

15 Penn

12 Dartmouth

8 Yale

again not counting relays…

enjoy...

Much thanks, fun. Is everybody done competing this weekend? I had thought there might be a few more marks today.

As C/M pointed out, a goodly number of high placers during cross don't seem to have competed indoors. If they don't compete through this weekend, are we really likely to see them next? And if so, can they really be ready to compete, with zero races under their belts? I'm sure that's possible, but it seems unlikely.

And similarly for the rest of the events. For the "big" teams--the ones with a shot at contending for titles, or certainly within the top half of the field at Heps (essentially, the men and women from Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, and Princeton), injuries are a fact of life: if you're pushing a team toward a championship, it's not going to be 100% healthy for the big meet. Some top performers from previous years, or earlier this season, will be absent.

kibitzer wrote:

Much thanks, fun. Is everybody done competing this weekend? I had thought there might be a few more marks today.

Brown and Dartmouth are scheduled to compete at the USATF New England Championships today at Harvard's track.

Looking at the performance list on TFRRS, it looks like Hep scores are being converted DOWN from a flat track, as though they would have scored lower on a banked track. Can anyone explain? e.g. Soerens (Pr) scored 5220 at home, showing up as 5116 after the conversion.

TK1451 wrote:

Looking at the performance list on TFRRS, it looks like Hep scores are being converted DOWN from a flat track, as though they would have scored lower on a banked track. Can anyone explain? e.g. Soerens (Pr) scored 5220 at home, showing up as 5116 after the conversion.

Pretty sure that wasn't a matter of the track, but of hand timing. I could be wrong.

TK1451 wrote:

Looking at the performance list on TFRRS, it looks like Hep scores are being converted DOWN from a flat track, as though they would have scored lower on a banked track. Can anyone explain? e.g. Soerens (Pr) scored 5220 at home, showing up as 5116 after the conversion.

You're mistaken, the score before conversion was 5094, hand timing already allowed for.