The title of this thread is a lie, saying "comeback journey to sub 20 min 5k at age 66" - because the scam Jan maniac hasn't come anywhere close to sub 20 for quite a few years, and maybe for quite a few decades.
For the scam Jan maniac to say it's a comeback at age 66 was completely misleading.
The title of this thread is a lie, saying "comeback journey to sub 20 min 5k at age 66" - because the scam Jan maniac hasn't come anywhere close to sub 20 for quite a few years, and maybe for quite a few decades.
For the scam Jan maniac to say it's a comeback at age 66 was completely misleading.
I ran 7 x 1000m LT today and pace 5:16 min per km, 2 min rest.
Last Sunday you ran 8x1000m LT @6 min with 2 minutes easy walk rest. Wow, just wow, 44 sec faster at LT in just a few days.
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
Last Sunday you ran 8x1000m LT @6 min with 2 minutes easy walk rest. Wow, just wow, 44 sec faster at LT in just a few days.
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
This is pure guesswork at it's best, those numbers were basically pulled out of thin air.
So we’re just making this up as we go, highly scientific ;-)
Last Sunday you ran 8x1000m LT @6 min with 2 minutes easy walk rest. Wow, just wow, 44 sec faster at LT in just a few days.
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
Is this on a track or a treadmill (since there is a big difference between the two)?
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
Is this on a track or a treadmill (since there is a big difference between the two)?
And the difference, to a greater extent, is with regard to what is happening structurally, rather than aerobically. (But please forgive me if your answer was already covered elsewhere.)
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
Is this on a track or a treadmill (since there is a big difference between the two)?
On treadmill when it's impossible to run fast outdoors now( don't have indoor track close to my place) . Real good old winter in my Sweden now with lots of snow and cold . Treadmill is equal to track if you set incline to 1,0- 1.5.
.Back in 1988 I ran almost only ( 99% ) at treadmill in the winter and reached my best shape ever and won the Gothenburg Sylvestre race 10,55 km ( a quarter of a marathon ) in time 31:27 ( about 2:58 min / km) 🧙♂️
Is this on a track or a treadmill (since there is a big difference between the two)?
On treadmill when it's impossible to run fast outdoors now( don't have indoor track close to my place) . Real good old winter in my Sweden now with lots of snow and cold . Treadmill is equal to track if you set incline to 1,0- 1.5.
.Back in 1988 I ran almost only ( 99% ) at treadmill in the winter and reached my best shape ever and won the Gothenburg Sylvestre race 10,55 km ( a quarter of a marathon ) in time 31:27 ( about 2:58 min / km) 🧙♂️
Thanks. For the old-timers, managing the toll on the chassis becomes a bigger challenge when trying to get aerobically fit. A few years ago I did a significant amount of winter running on the treadmill, but was shocked to find out I was much slower when I went to the track.
Please keep us posted when you can get to a track to see how the efforts compare.
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
This is pure guesswork at it's best, those numbers were basically pulled out of thin air.
So we’re just making this up as we go, highly scientific ;-)
The rubber band snapped and hit Jan in the face at 5:16/km
Last Sunday you ran 8x1000m LT @6 min with 2 minutes easy walk rest. Wow, just wow, 44 sec faster at LT in just a few days.
Well, now I test out with " The Rubber band principle" to find my current LT at 1000m reps. 5:16 pace gave little too much breathing and 6 min pace was too easy. Next time I go with something inbetween and around 5:40 pace. I think it will be perfect.
I’m surprised you seem to be focussing on pace as a workout target rather than effort. I would have expected you to have a decent sense of LT effort to use as a guide, no?
I’ll just add a general comment or two. JS describes his method as “magic,” which I think he means in the sense that fitness exams up on you unexpectedly and can last throughout the year without periodization, per se. Forgive me if I’ve got that wrong.
When I was being coached and made some strong improvements as a young masters runner, I had a similar view of my coach’s training, as the aerobic conditioning made me feel like an aerobic monster and subsequent broad phases of training put me in very good (for me) race fitness across a broad range of distances (1500 to HM, maybe 800 too) throughout the year with little conventional periodization and relatively little race-specific sharpening. A key difference between the training I experienced and what JS describes is that the aerobic development used a few effort levels / paces slower than - but building up to - M pace, and never got faster than M pace. Training for ST runners may have included some faster long interval work, but as a strong-FT runner I never touched anything faster than M pace, and snuck up on that very gradually. I would also see those effort levels occasionally out of base training.
I’m not suggesting that approach is better than JS’s “magic,” just saying it worked really well for me in the past, and also worked quite well for a number of other folks I know.
This is pure guesswork at it's best, those numbers were basically pulled out of thin air.
So we’re just making this up as we go, highly scientific ;-)
The rubber band snapped and hit Jan in the face at 5:16/km
So Jan doesn't even know his LT pace and just used another finger-in-the-air estimation.
For every individual he just put a wet finger up and based on how the wind blows....you get the picture lol.
5:16 is probably his Mile pace based on his heavy breathing, it will take a lot of time to even get a sub 28. But my guess is as good as his, a back of the envelope calculation.
O boy, i feel sorry for his runners, all 3 of them
The rubber band snapped and hit Jan in the face at 5:16/km
So Jan doesn't even know his LT pace and just used another finger-in-the-air estimation.
For every individual he just put a wet finger up and based on how the wind blows....you get the picture lol.
5:16 is probably his Mile pace based on his heavy breathing, it will take a lot of time to even get a sub 28. But my guess is as good as his, a back of the envelope calculation.
O boy, i feel sorry for his runners, all 3 of them
The rubber band snapped and hit Jan in the face at 5:16/km
So Jan doesn't even know his LT pace and just used another finger-in-the-air estimation.
For every individual he just put a wet finger up and based on how the wind blows....you get the picture lol.
5:16 is probably his Mile pace based on his heavy breathing, it will take a lot of time to even get a sub 28. But my guess is as good as his, a back of the envelope calculation.
O boy, i feel sorry for his runners, all 3 of them