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My comment is that this athlete started doping in high school and is doping now. People saw the Valby circus and saw the rewards.
Hedengren: 19-year-old college sophomore - been tested by USADA 4 times this year (1 in 1st quarter, 3 in 2nd quarter)
Tuohy: 23-year-old professional, been a pro for two full years - ZERO tests in her entire life
Dominated HS, dominated college, turned pro and entered the testing pool, now barely faster than she was at 15 and much slower than she was in college.
All "red flags" point to Tuohy as 1000x more suspicious.
NC State Track and XC has a Facebook page. On that page, they posted photos on Monday Nov 10 of the team working out, and Hartman is included in those pictures. But you are correct that it doesn't seem she traveled up to Charlottesville, as she is not included in any of the pictures on the FB page or the NC State athletic dept webpage from today's meet. That includes the team photo on the podium. She was among the 14 athletes listed that could have run for NCSU today. I thought Henes may have been conducting a de facto tryout for the 6th and 7 spots next week in leaving Hartman and Englehardt out, but this is a bit worrisome. And remember we found out about Kelsey Chmiel's injury in 2023 from a LRC poster. If Hartman is out, hard to think Henes is going to pull off another miracle. Hoping this is BS and she's okay.
Is Jane Hedengren's age typical for a true college freshman these days? Both of my daughters started college at 17 years old. My youngest is a college sophomore, and is still 18, yet Jane is already 19? This partially explains why she looked so much older and stronger than the high schoolers in her races last year. She probably should have been competing against the college women already. In all likelihood, she would have podiumed!
Is Jane Hedengren's age typical for a true college freshman these days? Both of my daughters started college at 17 years old. My youngest is a college sophomore, and is still 18, yet Jane is already 19? This partially explains why she looked so much older and stronger than the high schoolers in her races last year. She probably should have been competing against the college women already. In all likelihood, she would have podiumed!
I don’t have stats for this, but I’d imagine there are way more college freshmen who are 19 than 17. The vast majority of freshmen fresh out of high school will turn 19 during their freshman year, which Jane did, or the summer after it. Slightly early birthday, yes, but there’s no way you can say she “should” have been in college last year
And she looked “so much” older than other high schoolers? Really? She probably had a 3-4 month advantage on the average person in her grade, who tf cares
How could you be an adult and be this ignorant about what age freshmen are in college? Aside from the roughly 8-10% of boys who are held back a year for kindergarten to level up in mind and body, kids enter kindergarten at 5 years old and graduate high school at 17 or 18 years old, entering college, if they go, at 18 years old, and they turn 19 as freshmen, starting after September 1, and continuing until the following end of August after their freshmen year. So, Hedengren is the normal age, but certainly about ten months older than the youngest in her class who started kindergarten at the right age and kept pace in school.
Did a little research at the National Centre for Educational Statistics and the consensus is someone 19 years old in the fall of 2025 should normally be a sophomore. Just as I suspected. Nothing wrong with holding your kids back a year, especially for young, immature boys. 😁
Why are you bringing up Trump Derangement Syndrome on a Jane H thread?? You MAGA guys.
Who is that Trump guy? TDS has always been Tuohy Derangement Syndrome since KT destroyed high school competition and dominated college running before passing the baton to Valby. It’s Jane Hedengren’s turn now to be the public enemy #1. Many can race, only one will win.
Did a little research at the National Centre for Educational Statistics and the consensus is someone 19 years old in the fall of 2025 should normally be a sophomore. Just as I suspected. Nothing wrong with holding your kids back a year, especially for young, immature boys. 😁
Did a little research at the National Centre for Educational Statistics and the consensus is someone 19 years old in the fall of 2025 should normally be a sophomore. Just as I suspected. Nothing wrong with holding your kids back a year, especially for young, immature boys. 😁
On another thread this age debate was engaged.
In the current true Freshman class Machia, Engelhardt, and Hedengren are all 19 right now with May, August and September 2006 birthdays respectively.
Utah has a September 1 cutoff, so Jane entered at the correct point and just happens to be at the older end of her class as her birthday is right in the first month.
Now I can return to tracking down the Obama birth cerificate.
A one eyed man sees best among the blind. And I tend to be rght. So we are supposed to believe that a runner with a very good but hardly extraordinary high school career turns 18 and can suddenly run faster not just compared to all high school athletes, but almost all college runners in history. Well except for her BYU training mate who at 22 and 11 months suddenly developed the ability to run sub 15. Amazing. All happening in the wake of Valby. And like Valby she never even gets tired. People are actually bragging about her not breathing hard. Sound familiar? If only there were an explanation more credible than "genetic anamoly". Lolll. And now she is poised to beat older Kenyan with all their baggage and we are just supposed to pretend this is on the level? Sure. No one here actually believes that.
not sure why you are being downvoted here. 3:35 over summer into whats been a very solid XC season for him likely means very big things in the spring as a middle distance runner. Excited to see what happens.
A one eyed man sees best among the blind. And I tend to be rght. So we are supposed to believe that a runner with a very good but hardly extraordinary high school career turns 18 and can suddenly run faster not just compared to all high school athletes, but almost all college runners in history. Well except for her BYU training mate who at 22 and 11 months suddenly developed the ability to run sub 15. Amazing. All happening in the wake of Valby. And like Valby she never even gets tired. People are actually bragging about her not breathing hard. Sound familiar? If only there were an explanation more credible than "genetic anamoly". Lolll. And now she is poised to beat older Kenyan with all their baggage and we are just supposed to pretend this is on the level? Sure. No one here actually believes that.
not sure why you are being downvoted here. 3:35 over summer into whats been a very solid XC season for him likely means very big things in the spring as a middle distance runner. Excited to see what happens.
It’s because the comp seems a tad forced. Ethan Strand only ran marginally faster in 2024 than Leo’s 3:35.9 but it was a win in a standard collegiate race in April vs Portland’s time trial. He also had a 4th at NCAA Indoors, and making the Olympic Trials finals. It’s nice Leo has improved, but it’s a little unclear if he’s got the wheels of a 1500/miler, and making a NCAA final is the next feasible step vs. podiums at NCAAs. The top 2 at West Regionals were way ahead, too. So not to dump on the performance at all but I think let’s see if Leo can run 7:40/13:15ish indoors like it seems he should be able to with this strength. If he’s a 3:50 or faster miler I think that would surprise most of us.
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A one eyed man sees best among the blind. And I tend to be rght. So we are supposed to believe that a runner with a very good but hardly extraordinary high school career turns 18 and can suddenly run faster not just compared to all high school athletes, but almost all college runners in history. Well except for her BYU training mate who at 22 and 11 months suddenly developed the ability to run sub 15. Amazing. All happening in the wake of Valby. And like Valby she never even gets tired. People are actually bragging about her not breathing hard. Sound familiar? If only there were an explanation more credible than "genetic anamoly". Lolll. And now she is poised to beat older Kenyan with all their baggage and we are just supposed to pretend this is on the level? Sure. No one here actually believes that.
You’re never right, ever! What you are is a pathetic loser. Every claim you make against Jane or any other good athlete applies just as equally if not moreso to Tuohy. But you can’t see that, one eyed Asthole, can you? Because you’re also an idiot. And every time this pointed out you run from the thread like the loser you are.
From Diljeet's post-race comments, I'd say coach expects Jane to crush the field next wkend.
Hedengren's effort aside, I'm starting to think Kosgei has plateaued somewhat since Outdoor Nats, particularly in comparison with Lemngole and Napoleon.