Do you realize how little of a brain it takes to figure that some 20 y.o. men who are hopped up on energy, comparison game, competition, and minimal prefrontal cortex are also using substances to get ahead?
These are the same young men that posture constantly and rev their engines and drive daddy's charger around the college campus
You are not good with words, drongo. I was and am able to, I just don't have to do what you want.
The results are easy to find. But you don't know how to find them. Pathetic.
So you still can't. But the more interesting fact is that you've gone on about Valby in a thread about doping. I'm sure she will be pleased you've done that.
You are really obtuse. She was not MIA all year. You would know this if you could do a simple Google search or if you followed the sport.
And several threads have been posted about her races. But you, as usual, are completely unaware of what happens around you.
Stay off the Gordon's.
None of you guys are prepared to say how many races she has run since the Olympics and how many she has won. There are retired athletes who run more often than she does.
Based on personal gut feeling and local experiences, it might be considered "rare" for the ridiculous, "uncommon" to one, "common" to another, and "very common" to the third.
So in other words, there is no real consensus. Just gossip and tall tales.
1. Drugs can be easily obtained via the internet and gyms.
2. There is virtually no testing at school and college level.
3. There are plenty of athletes who are ambitious and will do whatever they can to succeed, and particularly when they know others are likely doping.
4. There are athletes who have become aware that teammates and others have doped or who suspect they have doped.
5. Doping is throughout the sport at elite and professional levels. It is known to be in schools. Athletes don't suddenly become ambitious to succeed when they have left college.
look up registration statistics on steroid forums, subreddits, and ask some guys who workout and juice at gyms; ask dealers.
you can find out a lot just by talking to the right people.
Look; back a few years ago when guys like me were saying that guys like Nick Bare were juicing, some of you guys resisted.
Now, it's apparent and without a shadow of a doubt that we were right. Everybody is juicing.
Obviously there are exceptions, but the fact is, some of the most competitive-spirited folk who are some of the most successful folk are also some of the best at keeping a secret and trying their damnedest to hide it.
And for some of them? Getting a prescription for inhaled albuterol, pinning gh from a doctor, pinning insulin after a hard workout, and taking TRT prescribed by a doctor and keeping them under 1200ng/dl will allow them to pass tests and perform at their highest without issues.
And on top of that, they're using PEMF, red light devices, acoustic wave therapy (Gainswave basically), and something like DSIP to enhance sleep, perhaps other peptides, too. Maybe BPC and TB-500. Doctors can prescribe those, too, and I doubt the athletes get tested for them regularly
You are attacking beliefs the doping deniers are desperately holding on to.
Valby 100% doped in college and did it so shamelessly that it created a copycat effect that trickled all the way down to high school. I still remember the dumb announcer during the ncaa: "She's not even breathing hard! Amazing!" LOLLLLLL. I guarantee she tested positive and it got buried. What has happened since does not make sense otherwise. At least runners like Roe have the decency to wait.
1. Drugs can be easily obtained via the internet and gyms.
2. There is virtually no testing at school and college level.
3. There are plenty of athletes who are ambitious and will do whatever they can to succeed, and particularly when they know others are likely doping.
4. There are athletes who have become aware that teammates and others have doped or who suspect they have doped.
5. Doping is throughout the sport at elite and professional levels. It is known to be in schools. Athletes don't suddenly become ambitious to succeed when they have left college.
But so much "gossip and tall tales".
Exactly. Thanks for proving the point.
This looks like the kind of pure bar room gossip that persuades only the most gullible who have already bought into many myths and constantly seek confirmation and rationalizations.
How does any of your 5-point list shed any light on what college students are actually doing?
Getting back to consensus, what criteria and thresholds do we use to decide if college doping simply exists, versus is "common", versus is "very common"? Is there a rough common understanding among a critical mass of fans?
Otherwise it is vague, and subjective, and more emotional gossip than factual.
Without any real information, I would accept that doping exists in college to some unknown degree, but have seen nothing that shows how prevalent it really is. I might be wrong, but this thread looks like it was triggered by the Iowa State suspensions, which hasn't yet been established whether these "team regulations" violations involved doping. The anecdote of a competitive runner who decided not to dope doesn't help either.
look up registration statistics on steroid forums, subreddits, and ask some guys who workout and juice at gyms; ask dealers.
you can find out a lot just by talking to the right people.
Look; back a few years ago when guys like me were saying that guys like Nick Bare were juicing, some of you guys resisted.
Now, it's apparent and without a shadow of a doubt that we were right. Everybody is juicing.
Obviously there are exceptions, but the fact is, some of the most competitive-spirited folk who are some of the most successful folk are also some of the best at keeping a secret and trying their damnedest to hide it.
And for some of them? Getting a prescription for inhaled albuterol, pinning gh from a doctor, pinning insulin after a hard workout, and taking TRT prescribed by a doctor and keeping them under 1200ng/dl will allow them to pass tests and perform at their highest without issues.
And on top of that, they're using PEMF, red light devices, acoustic wave therapy (Gainswave basically), and something like DSIP to enhance sleep, perhaps other peptides, too. Maybe BPC and TB-500. Doctors can prescribe those, too, and I doubt the athletes get tested for them regularly
With all due respect, none of this helps show what college athletes are actually doing or that doping is "very common" in college. Motive and opportunity are not enough.
Do you realize how little of a brain it takes to figure that some 20 y.o. men who are hopped up on energy, comparison game, competition, and minimal prefrontal cortex are also using substances to get ahead?
These are the same young men that posture constantly and rev their engines and drive daddy's charger around the college campus
I do realize how little of a brain it takes. But "some" is not the same as "very common".
You are not good with words, drongo. I was and am able to, I just don't have to do what you want.
The results are easy to find. But you don't know how to find them. Pathetic.
So you still can't. But the more interesting fact is that you've gone on about Valby in a thread about doping. I'm sure she will be pleased you've done that.
We both know you can't find the results online. You are that stupid 😄
So you still can't. But the more interesting fact is that you've gone on about Valby in a thread about doping. I'm sure she will be pleased you've done that.
We both know you can't find the results online. You are that stupid 😄
Two years ago he needed some weeks to find an Kenyan Olympic champion from 68/72. Yes, he is THAT stupid.
So you still can't. But the more interesting fact is that you've gone on about Valby in a thread about doping. I'm sure she will be pleased you've done that.
We both know you can't find the results online. You are that stupid 😄
I'm not interested in looking that kind of detail up. She isn't that important to me. But as one who maintained she has run a number of races since last year it was up to you to prove that. You can't or you would have. But you have proven you are, as usual, a total wa*ker.
So she can now keep up with a few hobby joggers. So what has this former Olympian achieved since last year? This is a thread about doping in college. Is that why she is part of the conversation?
1. Drugs can be easily obtained via the internet and gyms. So this is untrue?
2. There is virtually no testing at school and college level. So this is untrue?
3. There are plenty of athletes who are ambitious and will do whatever they can to succeed, and particularly when they know others are likely doping. So this is untrue?
4. There are athletes who have become aware that teammates and others have doped or who suspect they have doped. So they are making this up?
5. Doping is throughout the sport at elite and professional levels. It is known to be in schools. Athletes don't suddenly become ambitious to succeed when they have left college. This is untrue?
But so much "gossip and tall tales". That is the only thing that is true?
It is easy to see how denial works. Deny everything inconvenient to your views.
Exactly. Thanks for proving the point.
This looks like the kind of pure bar room gossip that persuades only the most gullible who have already bought into many myths and constantly seek confirmation and rationalizations.
How does any of your 5-point list shed any light on what college students are actually doing?
Getting back to consensus, what criteria and thresholds do we use to decide if college doping simply exists, versus is "common", versus is "very common"? Is there a rough common understanding among a critical mass of fans?
Otherwise it is vague, and subjective, and more emotional gossip than factual.
Without any real information, I would accept that doping exists in college to some unknown degree, but have seen nothing that shows how prevalent it really is. I might be wrong, but this thread looks like it was triggered by the Iowa State suspensions, which hasn't yet been established whether these "team regulations" violations involved doping. The anecdote of a competitive runner who decided not to dope doesn't help either.
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I do wonder how many athletes have a TUE for adderall or some other stimulant.
I remember when I was in college I was shocked at how many teammates/friends from other teams had an ADHD diagnosis, but conveniently only took their meds at 3:30PM, thirty minutes before practice. Apparently they didn’t need meds to get through their 5 hours of college classes that day, but they needed meds to get through their 8 mile recovery run.
And then I tried a stimulant for the first time and ran the greatest long run of my entire life. Immediately it all made sense.