OK Astro . . . it’s apparent you’re kinda dumb, uninformed, and self absorbed so let me help/educate you. You assert Jane Hedengren and BYU athletes are secretly benefiting from a secret . . . undisclosed. . . .”boost your EPO” scheme! 😱 Yeah in fact they are . . . but it’s completely legit, natural, and a consequence of living/training at 4600ft. To wit . . . you dimwit . . . 👇
”Studies have shown improved aerobic power in runners who trained at 6,000 feet for 10 days then performed at low altitude. Lower oxygen levels at altitude stimulate EPO leading to increased red blood cells or hematocrit. This effectively allows more oxygen to be carried to the tissues. Essentially, this is blood doping the natural way.”
you can do both: altitude and EPO aren't mutually exclusive, unless you believe in the nonsense Canova spewed that EPO don't work on athletes with altitude exposure.
Follow her father’s YouTube page. He details a lot of the extra training outside of just miles she regularly does. He coaches a local running club also. I know for certain the Timpview coach regularly collaborates with Diljeet Taylor coach at BYU. BYU is literally a 5min drive from Timpview High School.
Thank you, this is the kind of response I was looking for.
My daughter is going to BYUs camp this summer. So hopefully can learn some things there. I'm mostly interested in finding out how to progress her training from where it is. I've been involved in the sport 40 years, ran D1 in the Pac 10, so I'm not a total noob. But obviously these people know what they're doing on a whole new level. Heading into the summer the questions I'm trying to figure out are whether I should increase my daughter's mileage (or if not more running, elliptical) or whether she should add some weight training, or both? I'm trying to avoid my daughter plateauing out like so many other people do once they've made their first big jump in fitness.
I suggest you see what you can find out specifically with regard to her running form coaching/training. I thought there was a blurb on that which passed my eyes a while ago, but if you do the research and report back on anything you find, I’ll share something specifically that might be of benefit, m’kay? (Bekele’s OG coach was big on form.)
The title was "13 Years Old?! Steroids Transformed Him" btw.
Also "13 Year Old Girl on SARMS || PARENTS, Listen Up!"
In comparsion, EPO is actually pretty mild stuff.
SARMS seems newfangled stuff that might be considered ‘grey area’ recovery medicine? I don’t know too much about SARMS, but maybe there is related stuff that isn’t yet on the Prohibited List and is thus not considered ‘doping’ in some circles?
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
JH isn’t the only exceptional Timpview distance runner. Lily Alder is also in the top tier of US HS girls distance runners. Here Alder and Hedengren run legs 3 and 4 of the 4x800M relay for Timpview last year at BYU Invitational. Alder splits 2:08 for 800m Hedengren splits 2:06 at 4600ft elevation and after running a 1600m final in 4:37 earlier that morning. Alder is a very legit top tier girls distance runner also from Timpview.
Lily Alder wasn't "developed" by Timpview. Her family recently moved there after her and her older sisters were ALREADY star runners. Their mom was an Olympian. The Alders have great genes.
Same with the youngest Alder sister Angie and Jane's younger sister Susan. They have great genes. The situation in Timpview is the same as it was in Newbury Park a few years ago. Two families with great genes.
If you moved the Hedengren and Alder families to another town, they would all still be great runners.
JH isn’t the only exceptional Timpview distance runner. Lily Alder is also in the top tier of US HS girls distance runners. Here Alder and Hedengren run legs 3 and 4 of the 4x800M relay for Timpview last year at BYU Invitational. Alder splits 2:08 for 800m Hedengren splits 2:06 at 4600ft elevation and after running a 1600m final in 4:37 earlier that morning. Alder is a very legit top tier girls distance runner also from Timpview.
Lily Alder wasn't "developed" by Timpview. Her family recently moved there after her and her older sisters were ALREADY star runners. Their mom was an Olympian. The Alders have great genes.
Same with the youngest Alder sister Angie and Jane's younger sister Susan. They have great genes. The situation in Timpview is the same as it was in Newbury Park a few years ago. Two families with great genes.
If you moved the Hedengren and Alder families to another town, they would all still be great runners.
Ever heard of American Fork High School and their distance running program? American Fork HS is 13 miles and a 20min drive from Timpview HS. It’s less than a 15min drive from either High School to BYU. There are ample amazing high school distance runners to come out of Utah Valley High Schools . . . Jane Hedengren is the latest and most prolific . . . ever at the HS level but hardly an anomaly for the area.
It's not "these athletes" that are being developed. It's one girl, Jane Hedengren.
Yes, they have a youth running program but so do lots of other towns. Jane just happens to be mega talented. You could send a thousand other girls to Timpview and not one of them would turn into Jane Hedengren.
Ok I guess I have to spell it out for the dummy.
Go to Athletic.net, find your way to Timpview's page, then click on "records", then click on "all". Then scroll down to the girls 1600m. You will find that 8 of the top 10 times at Timpview have been since 2019. In addition to Hedengren, Lily Alder is under 4:40 for 1600, Daphne Batmale at 5:00, Ellie Esplin 5:08 last year, Gwen Boulton 5:13 last year. Also in the area is Angelina Alder, a 6th grader who ran 4:57 at Nike Indoor Nationals. There are probably more but I think that's enough to highlight that it's not just Jane Hedengren.
Take the time to go on Facebook and look up the roadrunner club. The stuff they post will blow your mind. This is not just another local youth club. Timpview/Roadrunner are light years ahead of what's going on around here.
I'm not interested in finding out how to create another Jane Hedengren, as duh she's uniquely talented. I'm interested in how to optimize my daughter's training to come out with the best outcome. My daughter has been running for a year and is at 5:15. It's pretty likely she'll break 5 before graduating in a few years if we don't change anything. I want to find out how to get that under 4:50. There are so many different things we could change and optimize. I want to ask questions of someone who really knows what they are doing, so I know how to progress beyond what we've already done.
I feel sorry for how clueless you are, so I'm going to do you a favor and educate you.
The Timpview situation is the same as the boys Newbury Park team was a few years ago. Two great families and a bunch of good but not great runners. At 2024 NXR Southwest, only the top 2 teams automatically qualified for nationals. Even with two of the best girls in the country, the Timpview team finished 7th place. Without the Alder and Hedengren families, Timpview would have finished 19th. Without those two families Timpview is barely top 100 in the country. Once the Alder and Hedengren families have no more school aged kids, no one will be talking about Timpview training.
Plus the Alder family is new to Timpview. The Alder mom is an Olympian and the Alder kids were already great before they moved to Timpview. Timpview training had nothing to do with the fact that the Alders have great genes.
You're looking in the wrong place. There is nothing special or different about what Timpview is doing regarding their training that a hundred other schools aren't already doing. It's just regular solid training combined with amazing genes that two families happen to have.
So stop with your silly "go look at Athletic.net" ridiculousness. I'm well aware of who is on their team and what their times are. If it wasn't for the great genes of the Alder and Hedengren families, you wouldn't even be thinking about Timpview and their training right now.
Is there some place where we can learn the details of how Timpview is developing these athletes? If you do a little poking around, they seem to have a great youth program in the area (Roadrunner running club). I imagine that they have a highly optimized system, almost professional. I have a ton of questions!
That running club is definitely not only a Timpview feeder program. Kids from all over Utah Valley participate. John Hedengren has been very open about what they do. He recently posted on a thread about it.
Part of their success is talent. There are currently multiple former NCAA champs and all-americans whose kids participate in the club. But it's also a really solid system that fosters age appropriate fitness and development.
is this the greatest HS performance ever? how does this compare? 14:57 is so insanely fast I can't even mentally compare it.
Edit:
I guess not. Scoring tables comparison:
Kessler 3:34.36: 1184 points
Miller 9.93: 1231 points
Wilson 44.20: 1236 points
Hedengren 14:57: 1164 points
Lancaster 43.84 4x100: 1142 points
Jackson 10.89: 1224 points
Either way, 14:57 is F'ing nuts dude
Mondo vaulted 6.05 which is 1281
Nice catch. I wanted to add Michael Carter's 81 foot shot, which is debatably the strongest HS record in the books, but the points calculators use the international weight instead of the HS weight.
I graduated high school at 17 and turned 18 mid Nov freshman year if college.
You were born some time during a calendar year? That fascinating.
Yeah, that's the way it used to be folks, (December here). Would have loved to have had that "extra" year in HS. (Hmm, that would have meant two years of Wetmore instead of one. I guess that would have been a good thing, though.) Anyhoo, I think the current system is a lot better than the old. Looking back, I can see where I was always playing "catch up" in grade school.
Follow her father’s YouTube page. He details a lot of the extra training outside of just miles she regularly does. He coaches a local running club also. I know for certain the Timpview coach regularly collaborates with Diljeet Taylor coach at BYU. BYU is literally a 5min drive from Timpview High School.
Thank you, this is the kind of response I was looking for.
My daughter is going to BYUs camp this summer. So hopefully can learn some things there. I'm mostly interested in finding out how to progress her training from where it is. I've been involved in the sport 40 years, ran D1 in the Pac 10, so I'm not a total noob. But obviously these people know what they're doing on a whole new level. Heading into the summer the questions I'm trying to figure out are whether I should increase my daughter's mileage (or if not more running, elliptical) or whether she should add some weight training, or both? I'm trying to avoid my daughter plateauing out like so many other people do once they've made their first big jump in fitness.
Off topic, but I’d like to give a shout out to Elliot Heath’s Bowerman camp if you are looking for your kid to really learn at a camp. Top notch in that regard.
Your posts get deleted because your accusations are baseless. To assume a high schooler is doping because the school she is going to attend has a fast runner is maybe the biggest reach I've ever read. In the days before the internet, your accusations in an actual publication would get you sued for slander. Accusations without any evidence is typical for this website, I suppose.
