Why do you people seem to think the world has to be fair or just??
The only reason you aren't dead or enslaved right now is because stronger men than you won't allow it.
You can can stomp your little feet and declare that Russia isn't being nice all you like. It doesn't change the reality that in the grown up world you can't force countries to be nice just by whining.
Russia thinks they are the good guys. Russia is not going to do what you say just because you really want them to.
Someone has to force them to. Ukraine has proven they are incapable. Europe has proven they are incapable.
This doesn't follow from your previous arguments that we should be preventing bloodshed.
The world is not fair, so we should take advantage of this proxy war to weaken our enemy. The US is in the position to continue to weaken their rival for relatively small amounts of money. Money that Elon claims he can save in a month.
If we follow your pragmatic viewpoint here, we should stay the course and continue to own the Russians.
Or we could follow your bleeding heart pleas from the previous posts.
You do need to make your mind up though. Flip flopping went out of style with John Kerry.
I know you are just having fun with the guy but he argues in circles in an endless loop. i can read the nonsense for about 5 minutes and then get very disinterested with his schtick
This doesn't follow from your previous arguments that we should be preventing bloodshed.
The world is not fair, so we should take advantage of this proxy war to weaken our enemy. The US is in the position to continue to weaken their rival for relatively small amounts of money. Money that Elon claims he can save in a month.
If we follow your pragmatic viewpoint here, we should stay the course and continue to own the Russians.
Or we could follow your bleeding heart pleas from the previous posts.
You do need to make your mind up though. Flip flopping went out of style with John Kerry.
I know you are just having fun with the guy but he argues in circles in an endless loop. i can read the nonsense for about 5 minutes and then get very disinterested with his schtick
He's a random phrase generator. He will contradict himself within 3 posts. It's hilarious to watch the spasms of sheer rage when he has to argue with some who can do more then 2 step thinking and name calling.
Don't let the babbling about Ukraine distract anyone from the fact that stocks are crashing, GDP is projected -2%, and nobody can blame Biden this time.
You might be willing to kill everyone in Ukraine to weaken an enemy that poses ZERO threat to the United States or any of our allies.
I am not.
And we're not "owning the Russians" we're LOSING a proxy war to the Russians.
This is a complete disaster for the US whether you're clever enough to realize it or not.
We are winning. We are spending very little and destroying the Russian military and their military age men as they fight for a few square miles of land.
The US is not losing.
The only person who has lost is the guy who screamed 5 days tops years ago and continues to google frantically.
P.S. Writing something in all caps doesn't make it true. Russia has shown to be expansionist and aggressive. Our allies are close by.
The US $36 trillion in debt and spending money it does not have to lose a proxy war to Russia.
In what universe is that winning??
Europe doesn't have a military worth a damn. Even if Europe could magically produce an effective military (it can't) Europe has destroyed it's industrial base and it couldn't supply that military in an actual war. Europe can't even supply the Ukrainian army.
I know you are just having fun with the guy but he argues in circles in an endless loop. i can read the nonsense for about 5 minutes and then get very disinterested with his schtick
He's a random phrase generator. He will contradict himself within 3 posts. It's hilarious to watch the spasms of sheer rage when he has to argue with some who can do more then 2 step thinking and name calling.
And never, ever, mention '5 days tops'
I've been saying the same thing on Ukraine for 3 years and I've been right for 3 years.
Meanwhile, you have no idea what's actually happening in the war.
We are winning. We are spending very little and destroying the Russian military and their military age men as they fight for a few square miles of land.
The US is not losing.
The only person who has lost is the guy who screamed 5 days tops years ago and continues to google frantically.
P.S. Writing something in all caps doesn't make it true. Russia has shown to be expansionist and aggressive. Our allies are close by.
The US $36 trillion in debt and spending money it does not have to lose a proxy war to Russia.
In what universe is that winning??
Europe doesn't have a military worth a damn. Even if Europe could magically produce an effective military (it can't) Europe has destroyed it's industrial base and it couldn't supply that military in an actual war. Europe can't even supply the Ukrainian army.
We are winning. We are spending very little and destroying the Russian military and their military age men as they fight for a few square miles of land.
The US is not losing.
The only person who has lost is the guy who screamed 5 days tops years ago and continues to google frantically.
P.S. Writing something in all caps doesn't make it true. Russia has shown to be expansionist and aggressive. Our allies are close by.
The US $36 trillion in debt and spending money it does not have to lose a proxy war to Russia.
In what universe is that winning??
Europe doesn't have a military worth a damn. Even if Europe could magically produce an effective military (it can't) Europe has destroyed it's industrial base and it couldn't supply that military in an actual war. Europe can't even supply the Ukrainian army.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Lol the money spent on ukraine is a rounding error. It's well worth it to eliminate a geopolitical rival from contention for the next generation. Realpolitik is hard to stomach for weaker men. But it's how the world works. Time to grow up, bleeding heart lib.
He's a random phrase generator. He will contradict himself within 3 posts. It's hilarious to watch the spasms of sheer rage when he has to argue with some who can do more then 2 step thinking and name calling.
And never, ever, mention '5 days tops'
I've been saying the same thing on Ukraine for 3 years and I've been right for 3 years.
Meanwhile, you have no idea what's actually happening in the war.
You directly contradicted yourself on the last page.
The US $36 trillion in debt and spending money it does not have to lose a proxy war to Russia.
In what universe is that winning??
Europe doesn't have a military worth a damn. Even if Europe could magically produce an effective military (it can't) Europe has destroyed it's industrial base and it couldn't supply that military in an actual war. Europe can't even supply the Ukrainian army.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Lol the money spent on ukraine is a rounding error. It's well worth it to eliminate a geopolitical rival from contention for the next generation. Realpolitik is hard to stomach for weaker men. But it's how the world works. Time to grow up, bleeding heart lib.
$200+ billion dollars and counting isn't a rounding error.
And again... why exactly do you think losing a proxy war to Russia is "eliminating" Russia?
All you idiots are accomplishing is driving Russia and China together and destroying Ukraine.
Tariffs are a fee paid by the importer, usually the company shipping these goods to the US.
The importer typically raises prices to offset the tariff. The increase is passed on to the retailer who passes it on to the consumer.
In a static system, if the tariff is $40, the consumer pays $40 more. However, world markets are NOT static. They are dynamic.
In the real world, the importer initially has a price advantage. The immediate effect of tariffs is to take away that price advantage. The importer must reduce prices to remain competitive. So, part of the tariff is paid by the importer. Unfortunately, domestic producers know this and increase their prices. The result is inflation. But, and this is important, the inflation is only for the imported goods that have been tariffed so the effect on overall US inflation is much less.
Worse for other country, reducing production is extremely disruptive for their importers. Company profits fall. Their stock prices fall. Workers are laid off. Tax revenue to the government from companies and workers is greatly reduced.
Now, here is the point that both sides of the debate seem to be missing. Tariffs are like Power Slap, the competition where two competitors take turns slapping each other. In Power Slap, the winner is the last competitor standing. When one side is way bigger and stronger than the other, the smart opponent concedes before the first slap is landed.
That's what we're seeing here. Trump is using the threat of tariffs to get other countries to change their economic policies towards the US. And... to get companies to relocate their manufacturing plants to the US. The US doesn't have to actually implement the tariffs... or not for very long. Or, the US can modify the tariffs as a concession to get the changes the US wants from the foreign nation.
Yes, it's likely that tariffs will cause a blip in consumer prices for some goods. However, there's a long-term strategy to lessen the US's dependency on these imports. In Canada's case, that's oil, natural gas, and auto parts.
This is generally a good explanation except for one of the things mentioned here that inflation only applies to the tariffed goods. I can say first hand this is not true.
For example I work in an industry that sells products made from a type of cedar that is currently only milled in Canada. There are other options that will not be tariffed that are just as effective. Those non tariffed material options will be in higher demand than usual. The response will be a boost in price for those products as they become scarce. So the effect at least in my line of work will be far reaching causing most if not all products to increase in price.
I have owned this business for 25+ years and have always seen a bump in price as a response to an impacted product going up in price.
Lol the money spent on ukraine is a rounding error. It's well worth it to eliminate a geopolitical rival from contention for the next generation. Realpolitik is hard to stomach for weaker men. But it's how the world works. Time to grow up, bleeding heart lib.
$200+ billion dollars and counting isn't a rounding error.
And again... why exactly do you think losing a proxy war to Russia is "eliminating" Russia?
All you idiots are accomplishing is driving Russia and China together and destroying Ukraine.
Elon says he will save that much this year. It's nothing.
We aren't losing. Trading small amount of money for an entire generation of Russians is good. Welcome to the real world.