So that means you're lying about why Kerr won't run the Euros when you said he doesn't care about the "minor titles". Why do you lie about things that are easy to verify?
The Euros are a minor title, you moron. The Grand Slam track isn't the equivalent of the WC or Olympics, it is just a paycheck - an entertainment circus. I don't care what Kerr competes in but nothing changes the fact that the Euros are second-tier. You are making yourself increasingly pathetic.
You must be a really low EQ man. You have to insult people all the time.
The Euros are a minor title, you moron. The Grand Slam track isn't the equivalent of the WC or Olympics, it is just a paycheck - an entertainment circus. I don't care what Kerr competes in but nothing changes the fact that the Euros are second-tier. You are making yourself increasingly pathetic.
You must be a really low EQ man. You have to insult people all the time.
I don't have to. But you clearly invite it. The most obvious thing about you is you have nothing to offer on the thread subject. Your obsession remains with me. You post on nothing else. Sad.
In sport not always the same are winning. Those few runners who have beaten Ingebrigtsen are also very strong. But when we are even just looking on the 1500m/Mile, Ingebrigtsen in the last five years still definitely has the strongest record of all of them. Also when we are just looking on the last three seasons, it's really hard to come up with another no. 1 than Ingebrigtsen. Who? Give a name (small hint: he won't).
He isn't dominant and hasn't been so for 3 years. He's "one of the best" - there is no clear number one at the moment.
You can keep crying in this thread. Jakob has won 4 straight world #1 rankings, including this year. The European Championships are also not a minor title, they are a championship with rich history. The World Indoor Championships are equivalent in competition, but Euros has more prestige.
We are only nine days into 2025 and the Kerr-Ingebrigtsen war of words has already resumed.
On an episode of the Citius Mag Podcast that was released on Thursday, Josh Kerr offered his thoughts on Jakob Ingebrigtsen not signing up as a Racer for Grand Slam Track:
"I think it's smart that he didn't sign up, to be honest. In any non-paced race, he hasn't won in the last couple of years. And so you're going to throw him in a bunch of non-paced races? It seems silly, to do that. It's gonna expose most of his tactical stuff. And if he was in the 800-1500 group, watching him run the 800 would be a lot like a deer on ice."
The amusing thing to me is that neither of them are giving the other any credit at all. Ingebrigtsen is certainly more vulnerable in non-paced races, but he was brilliant in winning the European champs last year without rabbits -- a meet that Kerr notably skipped.
Meanwhile Kerr's first race of 2024 was a world indoor record in the 2 mile that he announced he was targeting months ahead of time. Now it helped a lot that Kerr had Grant Fisher pushing the pace up front in that race, but Kerr said he was going for the WR and got it.
Jakob’s two Olympic Golds, 2000, 3000, and 2 Mile WRs/WBs alone already surpass anything Kerr has done in his career.
He isn't dominant and hasn't been so for 3 years. He's "one of the best" - there is no clear number one at the moment.
You can keep crying in this thread. Jakob has won 4 straight world #1 rankings, including this year. The European Championships are also not a minor title, they are a championship with rich history. The World Indoor Championships are equivalent in competition, but Euros has more prestige.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
We are only nine days into 2025 and the Kerr-Ingebrigtsen war of words has already resumed.
On an episode of the Citius Mag Podcast that was released on Thursday, Josh Kerr offered his thoughts on Jakob Ingebrigtsen not signing up as a Racer for Grand Slam Track:
"I think it's smart that he didn't sign up, to be honest. In any non-paced race, he hasn't won in the last couple of years. And so you're going to throw him in a bunch of non-paced races? It seems silly, to do that. It's gonna expose most of his tactical stuff. And if he was in the 800-1500 group, watching him run the 800 would be a lot like a deer on ice."
The amusing thing to me is that neither of them are giving the other any credit at all. Ingebrigtsen is certainly more vulnerable in non-paced races, but he was brilliant in winning the European champs last year without rabbits -- a meet that Kerr notably skipped.
Meanwhile Kerr's first race of 2024 was a world indoor record in the 2 mile that he announced he was targeting months ahead of time. Now it helped a lot that Kerr had Grant Fisher pushing the pace up front in that race, but Kerr said he was going for the WR and got it.
Jakob’s two Olympic Golds, 2000, 3000, and 2 Mile WRs/WBs alone already surpass anything Kerr has done in his career.
You have to avoid the 1500 and the mile to try to console yourselves for Ingebrigtsen's losses. Kerr owns him over the shorter distances.
Jakob’s two Olympic Golds, 2000, 3000, and 2 Mile WRs/WBs alone already surpass anything Kerr has done in his career.
You have to avoid the 1500 and the mile to try to console yourselves for Ingebrigtsen's losses. Kerr owns him over the shorter distances.
come on lets be honest here . Owned is a bit over the top isn't it ? won 2 great head to head battles against him in the last 2 world championships they raced , by that logic Whiteman owns everybody that was on the start line in Budapest but Hoare owns Whiteman because he bet him 2 weeks later in the commonwealth games. But hold on Cole Hocker owns everyone because he won the Olympics ...... but hold my beer with that strong arm of yours MR Livs because Geordie Beamish is coming out of nowhere to outkick Cole Hocker for the world title in glasgow so he must surely own the world and deserves to be called the greatest 1500 m runner since well you know who ... yeah right !!!! apologies to Morgan Mcdonald for missing out on my coffee club biased rant .
You can keep crying in this thread. Jakob has won 4 straight world #1 rankings, including this year. The European Championships are also not a minor title, they are a championship with rich history. The World Indoor Championships are equivalent in competition, but Euros has more prestige.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
This may be the biggest cope I’ve ever seen. Josh Kerr was a flop in the 2022 Eugene World Championships and lost this years Olympics. Outside of that, his 1500m results have been very average on the circuit or in European Championships, where he is a no show. Wightman has not win a single international race since 2022 and also lost every championship afterwards, (Commonwealth Games 2022 3rd, 800m European Championships 2nd). His 2023 and 2024 results were abysmal relative to where he was in 2022, so no, he does not have Ingebrigtsen’s measure. Hocker and Nuguse I don’t even need to explain. They were also-rans before Paris and snatched a win. Sure, Jakob is not as dominant as past Milers, but he is undoubtedly the best right now of this era. Once you realize these facts, you can go back to the beer and cry more in your next few posts.
You can keep crying in this thread. Jakob has won 4 straight world #1 rankings, including this year. The European Championships are also not a minor title, they are a championship with rich history. The World Indoor Championships are equivalent in competition, but Euros has more prestige.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
position in global outdoor 1500m final 2019 - 2021 - 2022 - 2023 - 2024
position in 1500m year list
Jakob Ingebrigtsen:
4 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4 - sum 13
2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - sum 9
Josh Kerr:
6 - 3 - 5 - 1 - 2 - sum 17
17 - 15 - 4 - 9 - 8 - 3 - sum 56
Cole Hocker:
dnq - 6 - dnq - 7 - 1
nt - nt - 11 - 40 - 15 - 2
Jake Wightman:
5 - 10 - 1 - dnq - dnq
15 - 3 - 31 - 2 - nt - 26
Yared Nuguse:
dnq - dns - dnq - 5 - 3
109 - nt - 55 - 18 - 3 - 4
Timothy Cheruiyot:
1 - 2 - 6 - sf - 11
1 - 1 - 1 - 8 - 4 - 5
In both measures Ingebrigtsen is clearly the no. 1 athlete of the last 6 years and the no. 1 candidate even for the last 3 years.
Armstrong is still measuring Ingebrigtsen against all the others combined (and ranking all those others than individually) - a measure which is not to beat in it's pure ridiculousness.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
position in global outdoor 1500m final 2019 - 2021 - 2022 - 2023 - 2024
position in 1500m year list
Jakob Ingebrigtsen:
4 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 4 - sum 13
2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - sum 9
Josh Kerr:
6 - 3 - 5 - 1 - 2 - sum 17
17 - 15 - 4 - 9 - 8 - 3 - sum 56
Cole Hocker:
dnq - 6 - dnq - 7 - 1
nt - nt - 11 - 40 - 15 - 2
Jake Wightman:
5 - 10 - 1 - dnq - dnq
15 - 3 - 31 - 2 - nt - 26
Yared Nuguse:
dnq - dns - dnq - 5 - 3
109 - nt - 55 - 18 - 3 - 4
Timothy Cheruiyot:
1 - 2 - 6 - sf - 11
1 - 1 - 1 - 8 - 4 - 5
In both measures Ingebrigtsen is clearly the no. 1 athlete of the last 6 years and the no. 1 candidate even for the last 3 years.
Armstrong is still measuring Ingebrigtsen against all the others combined (and ranking all those others than individually) - a measure which is not to beat in it's pure ridiculousness.
We can add the head to head Ingebrigtsen against the others over 1500m/Mile (Armstrong will do Ingebrigtsen against the others combined and always will take the best position of them).
I've not checked so far, but apart from Cheruiyot (who has many competitions against a very young Ingebrigtsen) it will be extremely positive for Ingebrigtsen in any case.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
So best guess is he might try to change that in China. We will see.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
But there are like three or four other things that the rest of us "dummies" on this thread are taking into account, not just "global titles."
fastest time of the year
diamond league domination
global titles (including things like USAs, Euros, Commonwealth Games, World Indoors)
"race making" and setting the tone of the races
event relevancy (are you "in the mix" race after race)
It is fine to disagree with what other people value, but value judgements are literally opinions. If you simply don't think one of the above categories is important, fine. It is a free country, but you can't get mad when people (like me) don't come to the same conclusions as you. I am using a different set of criteria.
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It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
So best guess is he might try to change that in China. We will see.
No not happening he has made a habit of losing that right now we are trained to see him lose again and again. We want him to lose, and lose he must because it’s a system default get it?
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
The thread is irrational Armstrongluv. They can’t get past Jakob losing again and again that they had to ensure an American on PED could back them up to best Kerr if Jakob loses again! That’s how desperate they want our Kerr to lose.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
You are such a manipulative moron lol
When you want ro criticize Jakob for his HM result you say that that is his best distance. When you want to criticize hia 1500m performances you say the 1500 are his main distance.
You should have been a politician. You lie, you manipulate, you never admit when you are wrong, you ignore uncomfortable questions, you move goalposts... Pathetic.
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