why does David Roche keep banging on about being in sub-4 at altitude shape?

The Boulder Boys were way too nice about him. David is going to put himself before anyone he’s in competition with. It’s no surprise he saved the secrets for himself.

His narcissism has been unleashed. It is growing his brand, however. He’s authentically narcissistic. He’s just never been able to show it until now because he didn’t have a good enough performance and he was still too small. My guess is that they want to move away from direct coaching altogether. They want to live it up as influencers. They want Wahoo as a sponsor (run away, Wahoo!!) and want to just talk about how great they are all day. I suffered through an episode. There’s such little training advice or coverage. It’s literally them acting like they never talk and use that time to say how amazing David is and what a beast Megan is as a mom and come-back athlete.

David, if you read this and you want to shut us up. Post the data directly from your treadmills, not your watch. Let your incline runs post directly from iFIT. Don’t just post a screenshot of your heart rate. Do the work on a track outside. Video your entire Zwift races. You go on about “no secrets,” so just stop being so sketchy about your training. No one gives a sh*t that you can’t run as fast as Christian Allen. You don’t need to. People who are actually great at things don’t need to tell people all the time. Your brand will be better off if you just tone it down, dude.

This.

Except if he did post the treadmill data and it matched what he’s already posting, you’d accuse him of doping. I don’t think he could shut the haters up no matter what he did, honestly. Haters are going to hate regardless of what form of Strava data he posts or how many races he wins.

Yeah his treadmill workouts he is saying he is running would make him about 27:30 10k runner. He is not this and never has been. Not anywhere close.

This is no shade, seriously. Just the truth, and it’s bizarre that he goes out of his way to publicly lie that he is running these kinds of workouts. He has NEVER run this type of workout on the track or on the roads.

Then go look at his road workout he posts. If he was the runner his treadmill workouts indicate he is, he’d be running these segments at about 2:50 pace at the slowest.

Just by looking at him, clearly he is not. He’s running somewhere about 5 flat pace ( go look at the clips of Klecker running 1km repeats at 2:45 on the road and there is a very very clear and apparent difference in pace)

Also notice how this YouTube workout of David’s doesn’t mention anything (I think) of the pace of his 3 minute sections or his 2.5 mile effort later. Because if he did he’d have to say he was running like 5 flat pace on the 3 minute sections and 5:20 pace on the 2.5 mile section.

Again, there is a lot to be proud of for running a workout like that, but not to David. He needs to be running a workout that rivals ANYONE else who is on Strava, and he knows that there are people like Conner Mantz and Joe Klecker on Strava.

The only effort where he marks his pace is when he is running “3:52 mile pace” for his 20 second kick—in other words, that’s 29 second 200 meter pace for 20 seconds

Except that his treadmill data IS NOT matching what he is posting. I guarantee it

“This is no shade, seriously. Just the truth, and it’s bizarre that he goes out of his way to publicly lie that he is running these kinds of workouts. He has NEVER run this type of workout on the track or on the roads.”

Exactly. He and Megan both go out of their way to lie about it. She brings up his marathon pace as being 5 flat—but he’s never run a 2:11 road marathon, has he? Maybe he can, but it’s not proven, so why say it? It’s to convince their audience that he is truly one of the best American athletes in every forum anywhere. They need that to feel good and to dupe people into giving them money.

Also, peanutbutterjelly has got to be David. Why are we and others not allowed to criticize the dude? He’s now a public persona. When all of his content focuses on how amazing he is (you’re so amazing, David!!!!!!!), people are going to start rolling their eyes and saying something. His latest Instagram post is supposed to be about how great his mom is, but the guy made it about how great of a writer he is. I mean the whole thing amounts to telling you how good he is. He was reading Vonnegut before he could walk to the school bus!!

His entire schtick is him telling you he’s the best, without proof, and then pretending like he’s so humble and loving. “I love you!” “You’re so good!” “Oh my god, you’re amazing!” “Such a beast!” Love! Amazing! Love! Amazing!

He has run a road 10k at five flat pace...12 years ago

On one of the recent podcast episodes I think David himself talked about how the treadmill in super shoes is not fully equivalent to outdoor running, so I think he has already acknowledged that and hasn't said that those paces he is running on the treadmill are the same as running them outdoors.

right but then why not upload the treadmill data instead of his watch?

Come on dude. I hate to defend them, but saying "marathon pace" or any other pace in the context of training is just a number/guess about what pace the runner could hold for the distance. It's used to prescribe a pace for workouts. You have a marathon pace and even a 50k pace even if the longest you've ran was a half. And it doesn't have to be super accurate either. You can run a 2:16 marathon or 5:11/miles, which imo is totally conceivable that David can do, and it's close enough if you did your marathon pace workouts at 5 mins per mile.

It's actually not totally conceivable that David can run a 2:16 marathon. Has he ever even run a 1:08 for a half marathon? All we know is he has run a 31:30 for 10km on the roads. There is basically no evidence whatsoever that David can run low 5min per mile pace for a marathon.

All this projecting and speculation is total bs to try to impress his followers.

You can even see in this Strava activity that he never addresses the accuracy of his workout data. It can be clearly seen on Mile rep #4 that something was messed up if you look into the Strava analysis.

The only way I think he could have done this workout hitting those mile splits was if his Treadmill was set at -3% decline.

I don't care if he lies about his own training so much. It's more the fact that he misleads people he "coaches". Not to mention the general running community as a whole. Yes, and anyone who talks about "authenticity" so much is usually full of it.

yeah if you're a 2:20 marathoner, just say you're a 2:10 marathoner. It's like not a big difference at all! That's such a small difference over a course of 26.2 miles, and whatever, like 5:20 pace is the same as five flat pace. it has the word five in it!

exactly. when he not only posts but boasts about workouts like this, he is deliberately trying to mislead people in order to receive positive attention

He maybe had the capability to run a 2:16 marathon at some point, probably not now. Maybe, but probably not. We won't know because he'll continue to post fake treadmill workouts while continuing to run only trail and ultra races. To be clear, I don't have a problem with him running only trail and ultra races, I have a problem with him deceiving people.

Ok. So now coach Megs is saying his marathon pace is 'around 2:10' and he's also in sub 4-min miler fitness and sub 14:00 5km at altitude too? Why not throw in a sub 28:30 for 10km also for good measure.

If he's intentionally being misleading about his own training workout numbers and how "personal" his coaching is to say, 100+ athletes, could he also be exaggerating about how many carbs per hour he eats in an ultramarathon and what else?

Everything with this guy seems to be up for interpretation at this point.

is that treadmill capable of being on a decline? Because a -3% decline could have you running as much as 30 seconds faster per mile

unless I'm missing something, david seems to have recently restricted access to his strava account. Can only see his last two workouts. Thought maybe it was an issue with my app, but I was able to see other athletes' full profiles

strava.com

David Roche | Strava Pro Runner Profile

David Roche is a professional runner from United States

Link:www.strava.com/pros/1733803

when did she say this? on a recent podcast?