Boise State volleyball forfeits match against opponent with trans player

the fact they could care less if trans play at all shows it's anti-trans rather than pro-women. they were (a) doing bathroom bills or (b) laws that let you ignore pronouns before they were on this issue.

it's kind of like how they start the anti-book stuff with fake bans for 5 year olds at libraries, or pretend like most abortions are late term things and not pills meet a ball of cells. then next thing you know no one can have the book and you can't have an abortion if you were raped, incest, or in near-death health due to carrying the baby.

there are ideas like a third category, that GOP do not support, because this is nothing to do with protecting women, it's really about forcing trans back in the old box.

Correct, but I am speaking more broadly to the problem as an extension of male privilege at all ages, which includes the high school level where a boy literally can just say, "I am woman, hear me roar" and walk off with the state championship without doing any of the things required at the NCAA level.

Castor Semenya is a man who has fathered a child.

Working really hard to minimize a problem is an admission that there is a problem.

It doesn't matter how many there are. It matters what the rules allow.

If the rules allow one D I volleyball player, then the rules also allow 500 D I volleyball players. Would you admit that would not be ideal or fair? Or would you still say, "Nothing to see here?" Or is your argument we should cross the bridge when we come to it? Because all of the women boycotting these games feel that we have arrived at the bridge.

Yes, but he was eligible and he did displace girls and it's happening more often. Boys who can't make in the boy world of sports are beating up on the girls because it makes them feel good.

Where are those 500 trans women playing volleyball?

It might completely blow your mind, but most trans girls are not interested in sports. Less than 1% of them participate in HS sports, compared to 30% of cis girls and 40% of cis boys. Most are interested in things like music, theatre, dance and arts. And most who participate in sports are completely mediocre.

If we reach a point where trans women are overrepresented in sports, there will be a policy change. CAS considered Dutee Chand not to be a problem for IAAF. Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui were a big enough problem for IAAF. We have a US federal court case that laid a principle called "substantial replacement." Chand did not constitute a substantial replacement. Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui did. And Fleming is not even at the same level as Chand.

And how do you know that "all of the women boycotting these games feel that we have arrived at the bridge"? Did you interview every single one of them? Aside from Nevada, the decision was NOT made by the players. Wyoming players actually votes to play against SJSU, and they were overruled by the administrators. And why do players of SDSU, Fresno State, Colorado State, UNLV and Air Force not share the same opinion?

That's like saying "but I am speaking more broadly to the problem of immigration, which includes the illegal crossing of southern border" when someone points out that Haitians in Springfield are LEGAL immigrants under the Temporary Protection status.

It's easy to paint the "others" in a broad brush and demonize all of them, because, well they are "others."

The World Athletics says she is a female for the purpose of athletic competition and should be eligible under their policy.

It has nothing to do with "boys who can't make in the boy world of sports." It is about kids who started transitioning before they ever participated in any organized sports.

No.

False analogy.

Nice try.

Your claim that "the requirement is two years of hormone treatments" is false.

Under the NCAA rules now in place, male college/uni athletes who say they have a trans gender identity are NOT required to go through “hormone treatments” of any kind in order to compete in women’s NCAA sports. All they have to do is

1) declare that they have a trans or other gender identity that does not align with their sex;

2) Show that their serum testosterone level has been below a certain threshold for some time -usually 12 months - before the first women’s NCAA event they compete in;

3) Promise they’ll keep their T level under that threshold for the entire time they compete in the female category (compliance in most sports is on the honor system; there is no requirement for regular testing).

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At its January 19, 2022, meeting, the NCAA Board of Governors??updated the transgender student-athlete participation policy??governing college sports.?? The new

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For the 2024-25 academic year, the testosterone threshold that males who say they have a trans gender identity are required to meet in order to gain eligibility to compete in the vast majority of women’s NCAA sports - including volleyball, cross country, indoor and track & field - is “under 10 nmol/L.”

For comparison, the standard reference range for natural testosterone levels that World Athletics, World Aquatics and other international sports governing bodies go by says the normal level of serum T for males 18 and up is 7.7-29.3 nmol/L; and the normal range for females 18 and up is 0.2-1.68 nmol/L.

Since 10 nmol/L of natural T is squarely in the normal range for healthy college-age men, some males attending US colleges and universities presumably could meet the <10 nmol/L threshold without taking any hormones or drugs.

At any rate, nowhere in the NCAA’s current ‘transgender participation” policy documents - or in any of the policies set by sports-specific governing bodies and the IOC that the NCAA’s policy defers to and draws from - is there a requirement that males undergo “hormone treatments” or any other kind of medical interventions in order to compete in NCAA sports in the female category.

All that matters is how much tesosterone these male athletes have in their serum prior to competing in women’s NCAA sports for the first time. It's immaterial whether their serum T is under 10 nmol/L naturally or because they've taken exogenous hormones or other drugs which affect the amount of T that their testicles pump out.

Moreover, under the NCAA’s current policy, male college/uni students don’t have to declare that they have an opposite-sex gender identity to compete in women’s NCAA sports. All they have to do is say they have a gender identity that is different to their sex.

In other words, nowadays men attending US colleges and universities don’t have to claim they “identify as women” to compete in women’s NCAA sports. They can compete in women’s NCAA sports if they say they have any one of the “multitude of identities” that have become fashionable for young people to claim they have.

The NCAA's " Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy: September 20, 2022" says:

Language and Application to NCAA Policy
• NCAA sports historically have been categorized according to the participant’s sex assigned at birth (male and female sports).
• Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy (TSAP) applies to any SA who plans to compete in an NCAA sport that does match the SA’s sex assigned at birth.
• Applies to a multitude of identities (e.g., transgender, nonbinary, genderqueer).

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/inclusion/lgbtq/SSI_TSAP_ClarifyingApplicationandNextSteps.pdf

since people don't know what they are talking about, we also allow

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the fundamental fib is suggesting they want to be a girly girl in life but then be a butch on the court?

literally none of these people are like hmm i am a JV level male so my scheme for success is show up as a girl and win.

no, this is really, people who dress as women all day, use girl bathrooms, etc., just wanting their sports choice to match the rest.

i say that in part because i simply don't believe if you let girlish trans folks play sports that many of them are actually that good. this is really about the rare trans winners because the others no one cares. and if it's really about the rare winner who plays in one division in one event every 10 years, so what.

like i've seen a fairly boyish looking thrower at one D3. they finish last in the conference. hence no one cares and i ask no questions.

last, all the folks acting like they won something, funny, no, you forfeited. there is like 1 of these forfeiting teams that might make the conference tournament, which SJSU is nearing lock status for. and like i keep saying, BSU is likely going to be in a position for the season finale of having to choose between throwing another pointless stomp fit or trying to make the tournament.

Place doesn't matter. Gender ID doesn't matter. Sex does. The burden should be on men's teams to accept men who ID as women on their teams and in their locker rooms - after all, they are still men - not on women's teams to accept men on their teams and in their locker rooms.

This is like saying there should be no rule on TUE because PED is bad anyway. Why would anyone need to take ban substance for therapeutic purpose? If you do, then you don't belong in sports.

And it's like saying there should be no rule on change of allegiance. Why can't anyone compete for the country they were born into? Mo should have competed for Somalia and Meb should have competed for Eretria. Even if they move to another country to settle, that does not change their birthplace, does it? If we allow them to compete for their new country, there is no end to athletes competing for different countries just because it's easier to make the Olympic team. And there will be no end to countries like Qatar and Bahrain buying talent from East Africa or anywhere else.

Or can we just set a reasonable rule so that it will not be abused endlessly?

Take a look at the NWSL right now. There are a number of intersex athletes on teams and even a couple women who identify as men who are allowed to take baby doses of testosterone up to a certain limit.

It's not a false analogy. You treat all the "trans athletes" as one and the same for the purpose of vilifying, demonizing and dehumanizing them. Just like Trumpers treat all the "immigrants" for the purpose of vilifying, demonizing and dehumanizing them.

It is the exact same thing. Those "others" do not exist as separate individuals for them because you do not recognize them as equal human beings.