This post is unfortunately indicative of the level of intelligence that has brought us to this point and unjustly persecuted innocent people.
Ok I know for a fact that you must be one of them now, 'innocent people' with good hearts indeed. Getting a rough time, yes. Innocent? Come off it. Next you'll be saying Stine Rex used a VPN to make those wiki edits from your address
Don't give C/C any ideas. They are objectively not smart people.
Not saying that you are Camille or Conor but it's weird that I get a lone downvote for providing the only information I could find about Stine Rex's shoe (that suggests it was perfectly legal- if you have more information then please enlighten us), and then a minute later this comment appears which seems to fall squarely within the 'everyone's persecuting me' narrative evident in Camille and Conor's responses thus far. Oh well, good luck with Spartathlon.
This post is unfortunately indicative of the level of intelligence that has brought us to this point and unjustly persecuted innocent people.
"Persecuted"? Get a grip. People in internment camps were persecuted. The trail of tears was persecution. You're just a random person who is being given a hard time online for acting like a jackass. This isn't persecution.
1. This is bizarre behavior, especially from the ultra community. I don't know the top-level pros personally, but most seem to come across as near-perfect examples of sportsmanship. They want to win the right way, they respect their competitors, take bad days in stride, and cheer on others' successes. I can't imagine anyone else doing something like this.
2. Editing yours and competitors' wikipedia pages and lying about it is bad, but not the worst thing in the world. It's an embarrassment for the sport, and should be for Conor and Camille, but I don't think it's the same magnitude as, say, doping or course cutting. I'd be surprised if Kilian's been losing sleep over edits to his wikipedia page.
3. I think a genuine apology at the outset might have resolved this for most people who care. Conor's e-mail and Camille's post, to me, made this worse. Lots of excuses, probably not telling the full truth, zero acknowledgment or explanation, "we're the real victims here" tone... There are plenty of internet sites that explain how to apologize. (I don't know enough about Camille's apparent history of going after people who challenge her records. To me, that's a separate issue. I don't begrudge those folks their schadenfreude today).
Stop making shilt up. Wikipedia is made for public editing and nothing was changed on competitors websites that was negative -Just semantics from a couple that are very particular about ultra running. They did not deny doing this and in fact used an email address that was connected to one of them for decades for God’s sake..
1. This is bizarre behavior, especially from the ultra community. I don't know the top-level pros personally, but most seem to come across as near-perfect examples of sportsmanship. They want to win the right way, they respect their competitors, take bad days in stride, and cheer on others' successes. I can't imagine anyone else doing something like this.
2. Editing yours and competitors' wikipedia pages and lying about it is bad, but not the worst thing in the world. It's an embarrassment for the sport, and should be for Conor and Camille, but I don't think it's the same magnitude as, say, doping or course cutting. I'd be surprised if Kilian's been losing sleep over edits to his wikipedia page.
3. I think a genuine apology at the outset might have resolved this for most people who care. Conor's e-mail and Camille's post, to me, made this worse. Lots of excuses, probably not telling the full truth, zero acknowledgment or explanation, "we're the real victims here" tone... There are plenty of internet sites that explain how to apologize. (I don't know enough about Camille's apparent history of going after people who challenge her records. To me, that's a separate issue. I don't begrudge those folks their schadenfreude today).
Stop making shilt up. Wikipedia is made for public editing and nothing was changed on competitors websites that was negative -Just semantics from a couple that are very particular about ultra running. They did not deny doing this and in fact used an email address that was connected to one of them for decades for God’s sake..
Is that why Camille denied it on Twitter accusing someone of "framing her because they have an ax to grind"?
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
This was never about the wikipedia edits. This is about a couple who thinks everybody is out there to get them. These 4 "bullies" at wikipedia where just some professional editors who edit a lot of pages. They had no clue who Camille was and they where not interested in running at all. They just did what they do every day, cleaning up wikipedia pages.
Camille thinks that everybody is bulling her but that is not the case. She mixes up opinion and critical voices. She wants to be admired but she doesn't want anything else. She wants the money from the sponsors but she doesn't want to behave like a public figure which she is in running.
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
just scroll up in this thread if you're curious what they think. incredibly delusional people who got caught being vengeful karens and won't accept responsibility for it. there's a reason this story blew up (because their behavior is SO INSANE and unsportsmanlike).
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
Which would be a fine theory if we weren't able to access the edits themselves, which show well over a year (probably longer, I got bored) of multiple edits, particularly for Courtney's page. Repeatedly deleting entire sections which showed biographical recaps of her (rather impressive) career, and deleting reference to her being an 'ultra' runner and replacing it with 'trail' runner.
Maybe they will loose a handfull of Heron's fanatics, but they improve their image over the general public. They will gain hundreds or thousands of customers with this move.
I don't think I've made anything up, but the reply raises a good point. Thinking about this a bit more (way too much), I wonder how this might look from C&C's perspective. My best guess is that, to them, it looks like an argument with the wikipedia mods that got blown out of proportion. Imagine: C&C (maybe just Conor. I don't know. I'll just say C&C) were making a ton of edits to Camille's page, and the wikipedia mods kept pushing back. Some of the pushback felt unfair, and there wasn't much C&C could do. After a bunch of back and forth with the mods, C&C start to wonder whether the mods enforce their standards consistently, so they "test" by editing some of the other arguable-ultrarunning- GOAT pages. Nothing false or negative; they just tone down the praise, effectively doing unto those pages what they think the wikipedia mods have done to Camille's page. That's it. No one's harmed, none of the watering-down edits are false or negative... it's all just an internet argument between C&C and some wikipedia mods. Then this article comes out, and within a week Camille's lost sponsors and is getting trashed all over the internet. The article is seemingly totally accurate, but people read it and imagine a petty, vindictive person trashing her rivals, when maybe it's just an argument with some mods over how the wikipedia rules apply.... This is all just me guessing. The way the internet punishes people through this sort of chain reaction is really unsettling sometimes. This all happened quickly, and I wonder if it might look different in a week or a month.
Love this take, I think it nails the origin story of this specific situation.
Maybe it was just an online spat that escalated.
It doesn't preclude them being total narcissists though, who are in fact petty and vindictive
The worst of them is exposed by a) the other stories about her behaviour b) the lies and cover up c) the victim mentality non-apologies
Maybe they will loose a handfull of Heron's fanatics, but they improve their image over the general public. They will gain hundreds or thousands of customers with this move.
Are you shopping at Lulu now? They might gain 1 customer.
