You’re making the case that from now on, no person will ever receive the death penalty in the U.S. and that the DA has no interest in being re-elected.
The DA will drag it out as long as it takes to obtain the death penalty.
NO. I said in THIS situation, please ready carefully. The defense has an obligation on behalf of the client for the best outcome, which life is likely better unless the client doesn't care one way or the other. The DA is obliged to get "justice" which they may see as the dp OR the "can never do this again" and closure for the community and loved ones. It may be in the DA's interest to NOT for weeks and months talk about, show gruesome photos for the families to keep reliving, possible media circus. As for the DA, I do not know what their career aspirations are. My take is a guilty plea, no death penalty. We can bump this thread (unless it get deleted) in 6 months and see whats up then.
There have been many murderers that have received the death penalty and gruesome photos are often part of the trials. Why do you expect leniency for Kohberger? His murders are about as heinous as it gets.
As for the families, the push for the death penalty might come from them. Kaylee Goncalves’ father has already said he wants Kohberger executed.
The podcast is still on YT. People that know him confirmed that was his voice.
As to the message board postings, I cannot say with certainty it is him but it would be completely in character from what we have learned. The thing that caught people's attention was the photograph.
Incredibly unfortunate and tragic that those individuals had to suffer and die at his hands. May I also mention that this should be a lesson to people who treat socially "awkward" people poorly. It appears that was what caused this all to occur--people treating BK poorly/bullying him/rejecting him just because he was considered socially awkward. May we all learn from this and be better people towards others and show compassion and understanding.
Incredibly unfortunate and tragic that those individuals had to suffer and die at his hands. May I also mention that this should be a lesson to people who treat socially "awkward" people poorly. It appears that was what caused this all to occur--people treating BK poorly/bullying him/rejecting him just because he was considered socially awkward. May we all learn from this and be better people towards others and show compassion and understanding.
Oh please. That's victim-blaming. There are tons of socially awkward people in the world not killing people.
Maybe it was a surgical mask or it appeared like it was meant to function as one. That was my first thought from the description (eyes were visible).
Yes, or KN95 or similar because bushy eyebrows were described. That was my first thought. He wasn't wearing a Phantom of the Opera or mask or bank robber ski mask. A mask like a kn95 and dark clothes by themselves is not at all weird. That describes me at the grocery store the other day with my regular running jacket and pants.
I had a relative who was diagnosed with several mental health issues, though eventually died from physical health issue from years of self medicating. He was known to have often lacked developed "executive" thinking with the choices he made. Look at the recent face mutilator in Portland who thought robots were out for him. I don't think he'll get the death penalty, but whatever Idaho's version is of an insane asylum is as he will be found to be guilty but not right in the head.
Idaho actually does not accept the insanity defense and they have the death penalty.
Both, if true increase the probability of said criminal defendant walking out the front door, Not Guilty. If defense team cannot negotiate 2nd murder then criminal defense team have no choice but go scorched earth in order to attempt to get a Not Guilty verdict. Scorched earth means dig up all possible dirt on law enforcement agencies involved and each and every member of law enforcement in this case.
Incredibly unfortunate and tragic that those individuals had to suffer and die at his hands. May I also mention that this should be a lesson to people who treat socially "awkward" people poorly. It appears that was what caused this all to occur--people treating BK poorly/bullying him/rejecting him just because he was considered socially awkward. May we all learn from this and be better people towards others and show compassion and understanding.
Yes, or KN95 or similar because bushy eyebrows were described. That was my first thought. He wasn't wearing a Phantom of the Opera or mask or bank robber ski mask. A mask like a kn95 and dark clothes by themselves is not at all weird. That describes me at the grocery store the other day with my regular running jacket and pants.
LOLz, you still wear a mask.
One hour a week of mask wearing doesn't bother me at all. I had chronic fatigue syndrome in the past, which has all kinds of similarity to long covid, including possible links to Epstein-Barr. Having suffered through that for a couple years, and knowing that it can be reactivated, I'm happy to wear a mask an hour a week.
Incredibly unfortunate and tragic that those individuals had to suffer and die at his hands. May I also mention that this should be a lesson to people who treat socially "awkward" people poorly. It appears that was what caused this all to occur--people treating BK poorly/bullying him/rejecting him just because he was considered socially awkward. May we all learn from this and be better people towards others and show compassion and understanding.
You're victim-blaming you POS.
Actually this is not Stevo’s worst take on things. Stevo is really wrong here for saying “it appears that what caused all this to occur…” (as this is not entirely clear and indeed absolves him of responsibility) However, Stevo is correct here when he says that people should show some compassion towards others. He is not wrong there folks.
Very bad take. Someone does not brutally murder four innocent kids because people somewhere were "rude" to them. They do it because they are a vicious psycho. Nor could it remotely justify the crime. Everyone gets treated rudely growing up. It's called high school.
Very bad take. Someone does not brutally murder four innocent kids because people somewhere were "rude" to them. They do it because they are a vicious psycho. Nor could it remotely justify the crime. Everyone gets treated rudely growing up. It's called high school.
You are not nearly intelligent enough to know what the chains of causation are in these cases which makes your comment at least as ignorant as Stevo’s. You say they do it because they are a “vicious psycho.” As someone who is substantially smarter than you I can tell you that you sound like a simpleton. What contributes to the creation of a “vicious psycho” is a question you cannot answer and because you cannot you should not tell us why or why not this person did what they did. You do not know.
Like I speculated early on, the guy was a Ted Bundy wannabe. The template is that of a serial killer. He was apparently posting on message boards about the crime to the point where the other members accused him of being the killer. Anyway one of his alleged accounts showed a photo of a man dressed all in black with a hood and a headlamp. It was taken with a cellphone. A murder's self-portrait.
It seems he was planning the murders for weeks, was stalking his victims, and committed the murders for the thrill of it and for publicity. He then boasted about it on social media. Sooner he is put down, the better.
Everything you wrote was just a prelude to releasing your own murderous blood lust in the last sentence.
Believe it or not, serial killers have straighter morals than you - at least they know what they're doing. You hide it from yourself, but you're not coming from anywhere different. You want to kill someone.
Rationalize all you want, but since it didn't involve you personally, that can't explain your motive.
Most posters on this thread take media statements as fact. Most posters on this thread take law enforcement statements as fact. It went to U.S. Supreme Court, mid-1980's, law enforcement officers can lie with four exceptions: 1) cannot lie to a judge, 2) cannot lie to a supervisor in their chain of command, 3) cannot lie under oath & 4) cannot lie on an official report or document. LAW ENFORCEMENT may legally lie to the media. Law enforcement have no obligation to disclose exculpatory evidence to the media. Law enforcement are attempting to influence their jury. Are law enforcement going to tell 180 degree lies? Most likely not. Law enforcement want to seem credible. Law enforcement want to intimidate the detainee into confessing and pleading guilty before pre-trial. Don't posters want the detainee to have fair Due Process? Too many posters on this thread come across as an old fashion lynch mob.
NO. I said in THIS situation, please ready carefully. The defense has an obligation on behalf of the client for the best outcome, which life is likely better unless the client doesn't care one way or the other. The DA is obliged to get "justice" which they may see as the dp OR the "can never do this again" and closure for the community and loved ones. It may be in the DA's interest to NOT for weeks and months talk about, show gruesome photos for the families to keep reliving, possible media circus. As for the DA, I do not know what their career aspirations are. My take is a guilty plea, no death penalty. We can bump this thread (unless it get deleted) in 6 months and see whats up then.
There have been many murderers that have received the death penalty and gruesome photos are often part of the trials. Why do you expect leniency for Kohberger? His murders are about as heinous as it gets.
As for the families, the push for the death penalty might come from them. Kaylee Goncalves’ father has already said he wants Kohberger executed.
If Kohberger isn't executed when found guilty society is basically saying that his life is more valuable than the lives of the victims...
Most posters on this thread take media statements as fact. Most posters on this thread take law enforcement statements as fact. It went to U.S. Supreme Court, mid-1980's, law enforcement officers can lie with four exceptions: 1) cannot lie to a judge, 2) cannot lie to a supervisor in their chain of command, 3) cannot lie under oath & 4) cannot lie on an official report or document. LAW ENFORCEMENT may legally lie to the media. Law enforcement have no obligation to disclose exculpatory evidence to the media. Law enforcement are attempting to influence their jury. Are law enforcement going to tell 180 degree lies? Most likely not. Law enforcement want to seem credible. Law enforcement want to intimidate the detainee into confessing and pleading guilty before pre-trial. Don't posters want the detainee to have fair Due Process? Too many posters on this thread come across as an old fashion lynch mob.
I believe there’s a 100% chance he is the guy who killed those students and I also don’t object to him receiving a fair trial.
You haven’t formed an opinion as to his guilt? We LRers are all free to do so.
Yes, truly an intellectual giant in our midst. So intelligent. If you have to proclaim your own intelligence...whatever.
H'm. So people being rude explains or caused a guy to stab four kids to death in their sleep. That is your "causation", that's your evidence that the characterization is wrong, that is your mitigation, something that all of us experience and yet somehow resist the urge to murder? LOLL. Guy brutally stabbed four college kids to death in a serial killer-like murder. Yes, I'll go with vicious psycho. Sorry that offends you. Ted Bundy was angry at the world too. Does not change what he was. I do not have to know why he did it. What he did is all I need.
That has to be the most incoherent, nonsensical drivel yet. Truly, wanting to see a brutal murderer get his just comeuppance is the exact equivalent of wanting to commit murder. LOLLLLLL. Complete and utter idiocy.
If you don't think anyone should face capital punishment, good for you. But direct your crude moralizing drivel someplace else.
Yes, truly an intellectual giant in our midst. So intelligent. If you have to proclaim your own intelligence...whatever.
H'm. So people being rude explains or caused a guy to stab four kids to death in their sleep. That is your "causation", that's your evidence that the characterization is wrong, that is your mitigation, something that all of us experience and yet somehow resist the urge to murder? LOLL. Guy brutally stabbed four college kids to death in a serial killer-like murder. Yes, I'll go with vicious psycho. Sorry that offends you. Ted Bundy was angry at the world too. Does not change what he was. I do not have to know why he did it. What he did is all I need.
You are mischaracterizing my position. I NEVER said what you are implying I said. Stevo sort of did. You are both dishonest and a mental midget.
Yes, truly an intellectual giant in our midst. So intelligent. If you have to proclaim your own intelligence...whatever.
H'm. So people being rude explains or caused a guy to stab four kids to death in their sleep. That is your "causation", that's your evidence that the characterization is wrong, that is your mitigation, something that all of us experience and yet somehow resist the urge to murder? LOLL. Guy brutally stabbed four college kids to death in a serial killer-like murder. Yes, I'll go with vicious psycho. Sorry that offends you. Ted Bundy was angry at the world too. Does not change what he was. I do not have to know why he did it. What he did is all I need.
You are mischaracterizing my position. I NEVER said what you are implying I said. Stevo sort of did. You are both dishonest and a mental midget.
Vicious psycho? I would rather trust that vicious psycho than you as you are a proven liar, as as Bad Wigins correctly observed, you are bloodthirsty.
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