I didn't read the whole thread but didn't this guy already retire? Who cares if that's the case. It's like having a driver's license suspended after you've given up driving.
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Yo you wrote:
If his workout drink bought at a vending machine story is true (it isn’t), he could sue the drink company because the two SARMs he stacked are not approved for human consumption.
why is he lying about the vending machine drink?Supplements are often intentionally “contaminated” with SARMs because that’s exactly what the consumer wants.
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Well he says he was retired by what June at the very latest but he was tested on June 28th and even after that still didn't feel like changing his status to officially retired to take himself out of the pool? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Dingler wrote:
600yd/600m man wrote:
* Where abouts. Not the most relevant issue. * Retired or not retired. Not the most relevant issue. * Wanting to bulk up in order to date women. Maybe relevant but maybe not. *** The most important issue: It has been stated on this thread that H Mead ingested p.e.d. from a vending machine beverage. If true, the sooner the company is stated, the sooner we can find out. Other athletes in T&F and other sports need to know. All other debates regarding H Mead's positive test are a distraction.
I don’t know about “vending machines”, but lots of easily obtainable “gym supplements” and “workout drinks” contain ostarine and ligandrol even if they aren’t listed. Anyone subject to testing who hasn’t been living under a rock the past few years knows this. It’s the whole reason USADA started recommending NSF certified supplements.
What are you calling gym supplements? Are gym supplements drugs from locker room drug dealers? Do you accidentally test positive often from gym supplements and workout drinks? Supplements & vitamins industry is lightly regulated. My experiences and experiences of family members, I have been cheated by supplements & vitamins as have family members. Either supplements & vitamins have been inert at times or not easily absorbed, which is often. I read on here about supplements & vitamins adding p.e.d.s. That's not my experience and I doubt it.
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Dingler wrote:
Yo you wrote:
If his workout drink bought at a vending machine story is true (it isn’t), he could sue the drink company because the two SARMs he stacked are not approved for human consumption.
why is he lying about the vending machine drink?Supplements are often intentionally “contaminated” with SARMs because that’s exactly what the consumer wants.
The average consumer doesn't want to unwittingly take powerful peds that raise lipid profiles, lower natural testosterone to the point of needing to take other peds to get them back up (also to avoid growing breasts etc etc.) If they want that, they can just get the Ostarine or whatever online from any number of sites, and take the proper protocols regarding side-effect management.
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This guy retires and the first thing he does is to start taking PEDs... sorry, not buying it.
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600yd/600m man wrote:
Dingler wrote:
I don’t know about “vending machines”, but lots of easily obtainable “gym supplements” and “workout drinks” contain ostarine and ligandrol even if they aren’t listed. Anyone subject to testing who hasn’t been living under a rock the past few years knows this. It’s the whole reason USADA started recommending NSF certified supplements.
What are you calling gym supplements? Are gym supplements drugs from locker room drug dealers? Do you accidentally test positive often from gym supplements and workout drinks? Supplements & vitamins industry is lightly regulated. My experiences and experiences of family members, I have been cheated by supplements & vitamins as have family members. Either supplements & vitamins have been inert at times or not easily absorbed, which is often. I read on here about supplements & vitamins adding p.e.d.s. That's not my experience and I doubt it.
Yes, there are shady guys in the locker room who will sell you syringes of anabolic steroids and are basically drug dealers. But there’s also stuff you could buy at a place like GNC that potentially also contain substances that would cause you to fail a doping test.
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Dingler wrote:
600yd/600m man wrote:
What are you calling gym supplements? Are gym supplements drugs from locker room drug dealers? Do you accidentally test positive often from gym supplements and workout drinks? Supplements & vitamins industry is lightly regulated. My experiences and experiences of family members, I have been cheated by supplements & vitamins as have family members. Either supplements & vitamins have been inert at times or not easily absorbed, which is often. I read on here about supplements & vitamins adding p.e.d.s. That's not my experience and I doubt it.
Yes, there are shady guys in the locker room who will sell you syringes of anabolic steroids and are basically drug dealers. But there’s also stuff you could buy at a place like GNC that potentially also contain substances that would cause you to fail a doping test.
M.L.B. & N.F.L. labor unions were warned not to blame that retail company. It would have been best for you not to blame that company. Posters, have you tested positive solely from using products from the retailer you mentioned? I doubt it.
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gsysywywg wrote:
I didn't read the whole thread but didn't this guy already retire? Who cares if that's the case. It's like having a driver's license suspended after you've given up driving.
The more I see multiple independent sources confirm Mead's story that he was done competing in early summer, the more this feels like a bunch of nothing. His biggest error appears to be not removing himself from the testing pool by filing his retirement paperwork.
It's a (self-induced) shame for Mead and his former teammates that the violation happened and they have to deal with the fallout, but I lean toward thinking he's being honest and this doesn't reflect a past pattern of in-competition doping.
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dfhjdsfsdflkd wrote:
Sounds weird, but I'd like to see a shirtless picture of Mead today. If the dude has gained 15 pounds, that really backs up the retirement claim.
Also, does he have a Strava or something like that? If we saw months of data to support that he was not running, that is more evidence that he considered himself retired.
Finally, tell us exactly what drink he took, show it in the vending machine and have a sample tested. Most vending machines take credit cards now, is there a record of the purchase?
As a Minnesota guy, I really wanna believe his story. If it is true, he should give us every piece of circumstantial evidence he has to back it up.
His instagram bio says “ex-pro, athlete”. Not recent post showing anything training reheated.
No Strava.
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but but but...this doesn't align with all the keyboard skeptics on here who are weighing out their couscous hoping it helps them run 1530 in the 5K
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Burrito Track Club fan wrote:
This guy retires and the first thing he does is to start taking PEDs... sorry, not buying it.
Do you not get lots of supplements have shit in them that would cause you to test positive.
Kyle Merber confirmed today that Mead told him in June he was retiring.
A week after sharing his retirement on Instagram, Olympian Hassan Mead has been suspended for three years following a doping violation for the substances ostarine and LGD-4033 in an out-of-competition test on October 17th, 2022. I have no idea what Hassan did or didn’t take prior to that date and during his career, so all I’ll add is that on June 25th of this year in Eugene, he and I had a conversation about his retirement and job search. That day I sent a text message with his number to a contact who was willing to help Hassan in that process saying, “Had a convo and he’s about to hang ‘em up.” (He spoke with Jonathan Gault.)
PS. Jonathan Gault has texted Mead about why he'd update his whereabouts.
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rojo wrote:
Burrito Track Club fan wrote:
This guy retires and the first thing he does is to start taking PEDs... sorry, not buying it.
Do you not get lots of supplements have sht in them that would cause you to test positive.
Give me a list of everything at GNC that will result in a positive test for SARMs. Since lots of supplements have them in them, you will have no problem listing a half dozen right?
The tainted supplement excuse is about as believable as tainted pork...
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fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
The tainted supplement excuse is about as believable as tainted pork...
+1
And it wouldn't help at all without real evidence. Note that USADA didn't even mention it.
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I think what many people struggle with is that almost nobody who fails a test has ever actually cheated. They are actually victims. So it seems that everyone is clean except a few victims who somehow failed a test due to being a victim. Like they ate the wrong burrito, kissed the wrong person, took a tainted supplement. So there are actually no wrongdoers but only victims.
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rojo wrote:
Burrito Track Club fan wrote:
This guy retires and the first thing he does is to start taking PEDs... sorry, not buying it.
Do you not get lots of supplements have sh!t in them that would cause you to test positive.
I think this needs to be emphasized. Perhaps you need to embark on an individual investigative journalistic journey (i.e. not posting a thread and relying on posters) to unveil the frequency of similar occurrences between USADA and unknowing athletes.
Approximately ten years ago I was working in the front-offices of a warehouse that included vitamins, supplements, organic products and even some pharmaceuticals. In the early 2000s, this company was looped into a lawsuit as a seller of a powdered sports drink manufactured in Canada because the powder contained anabolic steroids and, of course, was not found on the label. The case opened up a bigger can of worms than originally anticipated. The Canadian manufacturer was the plaintiff and the company I worked for essentially the middleman to provide documents and other testimony.
All I wish to emphasize from the above paragraph is "it happens and has been happening for years" in the health supplement sector. If a bunch of average guys are seeing results, who cares? You have to think that probably only 1 in 10,000 of those who consume these gimmicky products are professional athletes under strict monitoring for banned substances. So the chances of being found out if people are seeing results is quite slim.
To follow up, though I consider CNN leftist on politics and far from the most politically neutral, factual news resource out there (see Wall Street Journal, Reuters, the Economist, etc.) they provide content from a 2018 article that reiterates this point:
Some protein powders may contain unlisted ingredients such as stimulants or even steroids. “Often, consumers are not very discriminating in which ones they use,” said Larry Walker, emeritus director of the National Center for Natural Products Research and emeritus professor of pharmacology at the University of Mississippi. “It’s more marketing than, really, a careful look at the labels and understanding the product.”Source:
It happens.
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casual obsever wrote:
NYDCRunner1 wrote:
Coleman, Brianna McNeal to add to the list.
No, they were busted by the AIU, like Houlihan.
Ah, OK. Thanks for the reminder.
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fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
rojo wrote:
Do you not get lots of supplements have sht in them that would cause you to test positive.
Give me a list of everything at GNC that will result in a positive test for SARMs. Since lots of supplements have them in them, you will have no problem listing a half dozen right?
The tainted supplement excuse is about as believable as tainted pork...
With a slight bit of caution, the risk can be minimized by choosing Certified for Sport supplements:
"When choosing health supplements, look for products labeled Banned Substance Tested or NSF Certified for Sport®[. These products, ingredients and manufacturing facilities are tested periodically for over 250 substances prohibited in sport."
And from the USADA website:
USADA currently recognizes NSF Certified for Sport® as the program best suited for athletes to reduce the risk from supplements.
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June analyst wrote:
Well he says he was retired by what June at the very latest but he was tested on June 28th and even after that still didn't feel like changing his status to officially retired to take himself out of the pool? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Exactly...if he was retired, why go through with testing? It's just an excuse now after the fact, that's pretty obvious.
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fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
rojo wrote:
Do you not get lots of supplements have sht in them that would cause you to test positive.
Give me a list of everything at GNC that will result in a positive test for SARMs. Since lots of supplements have them in them, you will have no problem listing a half dozen right?
The tainted supplement excuse is about as believable as tainted pork...
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