The best, smartest, and strongest people I've met in my life have been fat. Obviously not advocating for anyone to pursue someone they aren't attracted to, but "any person that is fat has no self respect" is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever read next to all of the other times I've read the same thing on this website.
I mean if you're fat, odds are you're not taking care of yourself physically when you could. That's what most would call "not having self-respect." That might make you angry to hear, but it's not exactly dumb.
It’s incredibly dumb. Just because most people would do something (which I don’t even think is even true in this instance) does not make it true.
A self deprecating sense of humor can be valuable in attracting women, but the fact that you call yourself a "manlet" is really telling here. You need to work on your self esteem. No doubt you are broadcasting your anxiety and self-loathing in a way that every woman you come into contact with immediately wants nothing to do with you. Work on that first. Then work on how to flirt and talk to women and make them laugh and see you for more than your height.
"Manlet" is not a demeaning term but in the manasphere simply describes a short man who builds a muscular body (i.e. "gym maxing") to compensate for his lack of height with the objective of garnering the interest if attractive women. "Jacked & Stacked" (Hardcore self-improvement coach) has a YouTube channel for manlets & normies. He's a manlet himself (5'7" 190lbs) and a MIT grad with a career field in engineer. So, you got a smart guy here:
My self-esteem, personality, charm, etc, is just fine. A single lady (divorced no kids) moved into my neighborhood about year & a half ago. She's a Stacey with beautiful blond hair, stunning blue eyes, 5'7" with a gorgeous body - a definite "9." She's an avid runner and also cross trains, so she joined the gym I'm at. I introduced myself welcoming to the neighborhood & we starting small talking at the common mailbox center down the street as well as at the gym at the times we would see each other there. Knowing that I was no way in her league - I asked her out anyway (one of those "what the heck moments" Lol). She said no of course, but offered a "friendzone" relationship. She told that I was personable, charming, funny & a real "nice" guy. So, for the next year or so, we hung out a couple of times per week in her free time going for drives, dinners or doing some cross training at the gym. We texted each other almost every other day. It was euphoric for a normie like me to be in the accompany of such a beautiful woman. 😍 I thought I died & went to heaven. Lol.
Well...after about year or so, that all came to a screeching halt when she met & fell in love with her "Chad." "Chad here was a 6'2" buffed guy with a six-pack, and an attorney by career - so he was a very high-value man (she also works in the law field but is not an attorney). Furthermore, she's now engage to the guy & we don't hang out anymore (her finance dosen't want her to) & we barely text each other anymore also. 😣
I don't blame her for falling for a "Chad" - genetics have been very good to her. She can get any good looking guy she wants - she's in very high demand from the Chad's. And as a normie, an ultra-short one at that, I simply didn't meet her looks threshold for anything else other than a good friendship (who would have thought. Lol.
It's difficult for most short "normies" to date attractive women. You've got to bring something else to the table in the form of either looks maxing, gym maxing, money maxing or status maxing or a combination of these. Personallty, charm, humor and all stuff sn't going to work by itself. It's not insurmountable but it takes a lot of work and LUCK.
Do people really use terms like "manosphere," "Chad," "normie," and "manlet" unironically? There are actually people who take this stuff seriously?
Posts like this are wild to me because it's like looking at another culture. I'm a pretty average guy in terms of looks, sociability, and income, but I've never had any trouble dating. Sure I've been rejected (who hasn't? it's not like we're entitled to date whoever we want whenever we want), but just being myself, being a good person, and taking interest in others and I've had as many dates/relationships with a lot of pretty cool women. Ended up marrying one. Don't understand at all the mentality on posts like this.
The idea is the lock down a virgin, or least experienced, best looking, youngest legal girl you can. A man gains experience, a woman gains mileage/baggage/damage. Otherwise, you're competing for the used leftovers.
Lolllll this is hilarious ! Most grown ass men I know are the damaged ones (incl myself in this) And that whole ‘virgin ideal’ is some funny ass Victorian stuff right here.
Yeah f*ck that. Go ahead, lock down the bitter, used up single mom after she's got all the trauma and baggage from being ran through in her younger years. I'm exaggerating of course to illustrate my point but there are definite advantages of dating virgins. Women produce more oxytocin (the love/bonding chemical) than men, which means they are more likely to pair-bond. This is why casual sex/one night stands can be traumatic for women, and why they are more likely to push for committed relationships. That trauma adds up and can lead to depression and pathologic views on men and relationships.
In other words, it's not a coincidence why every traditional society frowned upon female promiscuity.
Here's 5'3 guy trying to put into practice, "Just be confident," "Just put yourself out there," "Just be nice," "Just make them laugh," "Just take a shower," etc.
Perhaps you have the wrong standards. They might be good lovers, kind and gentle people. Sounds like you have little experience with women.
There are plenty of kind and gentle women in my life that don't have the best looks. They're called "friends." I have the right to want to date women I'm physically attracted to, sorry.
Since those women probably feel the same way I guess that rules you out.
There are plenty of kind and gentle women in my life that don't have the best looks. They're called "friends." I have the right to want to date women I'm physically attracted to, sorry.
Since those women probably feel the same way I guess that rules you out.
Typical narcissist behavior, putting the other one down. You never disappoint, Armstrong.
Poster brackish never said the feelings are not mutual, nor did (s)he complain about the situation.
Move to the UK. Average British men, on the whole seem to prefer plain, slightly overweight women. I'm married, but so many of my attractive female friends cannot get a boyfriend, never mind a husband.
It's not as though they're looking for rich men. Most of the men turning them down earn around the same or slightly less than them. Many of the guys who are single aged around 33 or above have some kind of behavioral problems, and try to date multiple women in dating sites, can't hold down a conversation without being rude, etc and maybe know that higher value women would get rid of them if they realised they did the casual sex and cheating thing. They still generally end up divorced anyway from what I see. Another bunch of them don't seem to have properly left their parents home or be independent.
It's kind of refreshing to hear US guys actually talking about wanting to date and get married, and wanting attractive partners.
British men are usually tall or sort of tall though. I'll give them that. 5 feet 6 or 5 feet 7 is considered short here.
Move to the UK. Average British men, on the whole seem to prefer plain, slightly overweight women. I'm married, but so many of my attractive female friends cannot get a boyfriend, never mind a husband.
It's not as though they're looking for rich men. Most of the men turning them down earn around the same or slightly less than them. Many of the guys who are single aged around 33 or above have some kind of behavioral problems, and try to date multiple women in dating sites, can't hold down a conversation without being rude, etc and maybe know that higher value women would get rid of them if they realised they did the casual sex and cheating thing. They still generally end up divorced anyway from what I see. Another bunch of them don't seem to have properly left their parents home or be independent.
It's kind of refreshing to hear US guys actually talking about wanting to date and get married, and wanting attractive partners.
British men are usually tall or sort of tall though. I'll give them that. 5 feet 6 or 5 feet 7 is considered short here.
The middle class London dating market is a mess.
From what I've seen it's most the guys who are punching above their weight - a lot of women seem to jump into the first 'safe and easy' relationship they can find, and there are guys who can't believe their luck that they're getting women who wouldn't have looked at them twice not 5 years prior.
Then the guys with options are living in Neverland (although, in fairness, I think if women had a 10 year extension on their biological clocks you'd see a lot of people 'settling down' much later) until they find somebody who, for whatever reason, really stands out (or they simply get tired). Invariably, this is somebody 5-10 years younger, and certainly far from "plain and slightly overweight".
Lolllll this is hilarious ! Most grown ass men I know are the damaged ones (incl myself in this) And that whole ‘virgin ideal’ is some funny ass Victorian stuff right here.
Yeah f*ck that. Go ahead, lock down the bitter, used up single mom after she's got all the trauma and baggage from being ran through in her younger years. I'm exaggerating of course to illustrate my point but there are definite advantages of dating virgins. Women produce more oxytocin (the love/bonding chemical) than men, which means they are more likely to pair-bond. This is why casual sex/one night stands can be traumatic for women, and why they are more likely to push for committed relationships. That trauma adds up and can lead to depression and pathologic views on men and relationships.
In other words, it's not a coincidence why every traditional society frowned upon female promiscuity.
Women having agency over their sexual preferences was “frowned upon” in archaic systems because women didn’t belong to themselves, but rather to the community as a whole, because of infant mortality rates and the need for labor, if women got to choose to have few children or none at all, where would all the future workers come from?
But that’s no longer the case. We’ve got machines, specialized labor and great medicine so that women can be free to have as few children as they like and pursue whatever interests they enjoy.
I would add that I think you should see professional psychiatric help. You see women as a commodity and not as human beings with unique values and desires.
Move to the UK. Average British men, on the whole seem to prefer plain, slightly overweight women. I'm married, but so many of my attractive female friends cannot get a boyfriend, never mind a husband.
It's not as though they're looking for rich men. Most of the men turning them down earn around the same or slightly less than them. Many of the guys who are single aged around 33 or above have some kind of behavioral problems, and try to date multiple women in dating sites, can't hold down a conversation without being rude, etc and maybe know that higher value women would get rid of them if they realised they did the casual sex and cheating thing. They still generally end up divorced anyway from what I see. Another bunch of them don't seem to have properly left their parents home or be independent.
It's kind of refreshing to hear US guys actually talking about wanting to date and get married, and wanting attractive partners.
British men are usually tall or sort of tall though. I'll give them that. 5 feet 6 or 5 feet 7 is considered short here.
The middle class London dating market is a mess.
From what I've seen it's most the guys who are punching above their weight - a lot of women seem to jump into the first 'safe and easy' relationship they can find, and there are guys who can't believe their luck that they're getting women who wouldn't have looked at them twice not 5 years prior.
Then the guys with options are living in Neverland (although, in fairness, I think if women had a 10 year extension on their biological clocks you'd see a lot of people 'settling down' much later) until they find somebody who, for whatever reason, really stands out (or they simply get tired). Invariably, this is somebody 5-10 years younger, and certainly far from "plain and slightly overweight".
Interesting. My take on it as a woman is that most decent women do everything they can to avoid players. I think we can agree that both sexes want to avoid players, except that certain kind of person for whom dating becomes a pastime and who have multiple partners behind them, or currently.
I'm not even in London, so I expect there's less emphasis on looks here. I've certainly had friends who have been told they're too attractive, a plain woman is seen as a good thing because she is more likely to run around after the man I guess. Also most of my female friends have been ditched by a guy, usually because he's stated a new relationship first. I have several really pretty friends in their mid thirties who have never really had a boyfriend, and it seems to either be a choice between an older divorced guy with maintenance to pay and looking after his kids every second weekend, or nothing. It's not as if they're being fussy, they just cannot get a date. Guys don't ask them out and if they ask them out, they get turned down. Most guys online here just want hook ups and don't want to date. There's quite a lot Thai and Filipino brides here too.
Thank goodness I met my husband in my early twenties! If anything happened to him, I think I'd just stay single! I suppose you could say it's a safe and easy relationship, but there's a lot to be said for that as it provides stability and because of that, we have ended up quite wealthy although on paper he didn't look like a rich guy option.
Lolllll this is hilarious ! Most grown ass men I know are the damaged ones (incl myself in this) And that whole ‘virgin ideal’ is some funny ass Victorian stuff right here.
Yeah f*ck that. Go ahead, lock down the bitter, used up single mom after she's got all the trauma and baggage from being ran through in her younger years. I'm exaggerating of course to illustrate my point but there are definite advantages of dating virgins. Women produce more oxytocin (the love/bonding chemical) than men, which means they are more likely to pair-bond. This is why casual sex/one night stands can be traumatic for women, and why they are more likely to push for committed relationships. That trauma adds up and can lead to depression and pathologic views on men and relationships.
In other words, it's not a coincidence why every traditional society frowned upon female promiscuity.
What you are describing is wanting a pet to control. Not an adult human being to enter a relationship with.
Only 4% of women would accept a relationship where the woman was taller.
I read most of this thread and you keep pushing this point.
So what? So you were dealt a lower hand in terms of height. Big deal? Do you just complain about it or do you use ur other benefits?
A friend of mine is a 6'1" former model/now coder. She's married to a 5'5" goofy looking dude who makes less than she does. I've met this guy and I can see his appeal: He's got a great positive energy, a joy to be around, and makes her laugh. The kind of person you'd want to hang around. She's seemed very happy for the past 5 years they've been together. Pretty sure the last thing on his mind were the stats you insist on repeatedly listing.
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