Soccer T's wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
a lot of this has to do with the coaches needing to adapt to the kind of skill set that the Michael Vicks and Lamar Jacksons offer. This is even true of white guys like Doug Flutie.
So the people not hiring or drafting or recruiting black QBs were simply just behind the times.
Got it.
lol it was too obvious you would go there. evolution doesn't happen overnight.
It's a bit mind-blowing that people today are ignorant of the bias black QBs faced very recently, but it does explain why they are making some of the exact same biased assumptions today about black coaches. History repeats.
The easiest thing to confirm is your own beliefs. Remember that.
high school xc coach wrote:
Soccer T's wrote:
So the people not hiring or drafting or recruiting black QBs were simply just behind the times.
Got it.
lol it was too obvious you would go there. evolution doesn't happen overnight.
Exactly.
In 20-30 years you'll probably realize there was bias against black coaches and they were every bit as good as white coaches.......but it's not going to happen overnight.
Soccer T's wrote:
It's a bit mind-blowing that people today are ignorant of the bias black QBs faced very recently, but it does explain why they are making some of the exact same biased assumptions today about black coaches. History repeats.
The easiest thing to confirm is your own beliefs. Remember that.
"the easiest thing to confirm is your own beliefs. Remember that."
same to you.
and black coaches can be as good as whites, but there will always be far fewer. it's a numbers game.
L.A. guy RYAN HALL should be the CEO. He has a Stanford degree.
UNBELIEVABLE. RACISM at the National level continues. What do we need to do to stop this disparity??
coach wrote:
Woke racist morons ruin everything wrote:
If you can find a coach that can do all of those AND is smart you are far better off than if he's not.
This is common sense for anyone who's being honest.
True, but that implies the coach has all the qualities. The most important one is motivation and everything else being equal a black coach might be better able to motivate black athletes in this era. If they're not all equal I'll take a better motivator over a smart coach anyday.
And I'm sure the people spending millions take that into consideration. It doesn't matter how motivated you are if you don't know what you're doing.
Soccer T's wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
lol it was too obvious you would go there. evolution doesn't happen overnight.
Exactly.
In 20-30 years you'll probably realize there was bias against black coaches and they were every bit as good as white coaches.......but it's not going to happen overnight.
Running quarterbacks can't win against a good defense and they all eventually get hurt. There's a reason no running quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl and it ain't "RACISM"...
The NFL cares about MONEY. Period. Winning makes money. If hiring 32 black coaches made more money they would do it.
The most successful black coaches were Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin.
No one in the history of the league has wasted more talent than Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin yet they both had jobs as long as they wanted them.
There aren't that many successful white coaches either. Yet when the white coaches are fired they're often rehired somewhere else or they are replaced by other white coaches and the cycle continues which is why so many black players and former black players are frustrated with what they consider an unjust system.
Currently there are only 9 coaches in the NFL with over 5 years of experience. In the last 5 years how many of the 21 other teams hired black coaches?
Woke racist morons ruin everything wrote:
Soccer T's wrote:
Exactly.
In 20-30 years you'll probably realize there was bias against black coaches and they were every bit as good as white coaches.......but it's not going to happen overnight.
Running quarterbacks can't win against a good defense and they all eventually get hurt. There's a reason no running quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl and it ain't "RACISM"...
The NFL cares about MONEY. Period. Winning makes money. If hiring 32 black coaches made more money they would do it.
The most successful black coaches were Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin.
No one in the history of the league has wasted more talent than Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin yet they both had jobs as long as they wanted them.
First of al...you history is really hazy.....No running quarterback has ever won a super bowl? Steve Young won a Super Bowl. Russel Wilson won a Super Bowl. #5 and #6 all-time in QB rushing yards.
Second, black coaches have a better record than white coaches in the NFL. Whites have a losing record historically. Minorities have a winning record. Do I think they are better? No. But I do think you have to be better to survive as a minority coach in the NFL. White coaches get more chances.
If you are curious, the all-time winning pct ranking is as follows:
Hispanic
Black (slightly over .500)
Whites (under .500)
Soccer T's wrote:
Woke racist morons ruin everything wrote:
Running quarterbacks can't win against a good defense and they all eventually get hurt. There's a reason no running quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl and it ain't "RACISM"...
The NFL cares about MONEY. Period. Winning makes money. If hiring 32 black coaches made more money they would do it.
The most successful black coaches were Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin.
No one in the history of the league has wasted more talent than Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin yet they both had jobs as long as they wanted them.
First of al...you history is really hazy.....No running quarterback has ever won a super bowl? Steve Young won a Super Bowl. Russel Wilson won a Super Bowl. #5 and #6 all-time in QB rushing yards.
Second, black coaches have a better record than white coaches in the NFL. Whites have a losing record historically. Minorities have a winning record. Do I think they are better? No. But I do think you have to be better to survive as a minority coach in the NFL. White coaches get more chances.
If you are curious, the all-time winning pct ranking is as follows:
Hispanic
Black (slightly over .500)
Whites (under .500)
Anyone who calls Russell Wilson a "running quarterback" has no idea wtf they're talking about. Having the ability to run doesn't make you a running quarterback.
Young was a pass first QB who could run. He threw the ball 6 times for every time he ran.
Vick threw less than 4 times for every time he ran...
Lamar Jackson throws it 2 times for every run.
Where is this racist database you're using that keeps track of coaching records by race? lol...
NFL coach hiring is the buddy system. If you're buddy makes it you'll get a chance regardless of race. The notion that white coaches have longer leashes is absurd. There's only 6 coaches in the entire league who've held their job for more than 5 years. Mike Tomlin is one of them despite wasting more talent than any coach in league history.
lol, all this blather and you don't even know the record of minority coaches vs white coaches? What even WERE you basing your opinions on then? ? ? You're feelings? lol
just........wow.
So you admit you've been talking out of your ass the whole time. You have an opinion, based on nothing, and you're sticking with it!
Got it.
You don't even realize when you're shooting your entire argument in the foot either.
"NFL coach hiring is the buddy system. If you're buddy makes it you'll get a chance regardless of race. "
lol....you ever think then that the fact that the vast, vast majority of coaches, or 'buddies' who 'made it' historically in the league were white......and that this 'buddy' system then isn't a meritocracy at all. It's a who-you-know'. league.....and the people you need to know just happen to almost all be white. You don' think that has an effect?
I mean....the fact that you post this with a straight face, thinking it helps your argument,......lol...I mean talk about a hilarious self-own: 'It's not racist. It's just white people hiring white people. See! Not racist! It's a buddy system!'
It's like a South Park episode lol.....
it's like trying to claim the banking system wasn't racist in the 1950's "Getting a loan is easy! You just gotta know a guy who knows a guy who knows the white guy at the bank! EZ Peasy! He's an Elk!"
You can't even seem to put 2 and 2 together. No wonder the entire concept eludes you.
You'd fire Tomlin? How many losing seasons has he had?
coach wrote:
You'd fire Tomlin? How many losing seasons has he had?
yeah.......that's when you know someone is just racist and triggered by a black coach.....he wants to fire him for NEVER having a losing season in 15 years!
Either racist or just complete moran.
https://defpen.com/is-mike-tomlin-the-nfls-most-overrated-head-coach/Soccer T's wrote:
coach wrote:
You'd fire Tomlin? How many losing seasons has he had?
yeah.......that's when you know someone is just racist and triggered by a black coach.....he wants to fire him for NEVER having a losing season in 15 years!
Either racist or just complete moran.
Tomlin is overrated. Winning without going anywhere might be good enough in some places but not in Pittsburgh. They haven't won a playoff game in 6 years and it ain't for lack of talent.
you've proved yourself a complete KKKlown
Woke racist morons ruin everything wrote:
https://defpen.com/is-mike-tomlin-the-nfls-most-overrated-head-coach/Soccer T's wrote:
yeah.......that's when you know someone is just racist and triggered by a black coach.....he wants to fire him for NEVER having a losing season in 15 years!
Either racist or just complete moran.
Tomlin is overrated. Winning without going anywhere might be good enough in some places but not in Pittsburgh. They haven't won a playoff game in 6 years and it ain't for lack of talent.
Tomlin can sleep easy now. I bet he's loving this. There is no way the NFL could fire their last remaining black coach. I don't care if we wins two games next season. He probably doesn't even have to show up to work.
Soccer T's wrote:
lol, all this blather and you don't even know the record of minority coaches vs white coaches? What even WERE you basing your opinions on then? ? ? You're feelings? lol
just........wow.
So you admit you've been talking out of your ass the whole time. You have an opinion, based on nothing, and you're sticking with it!
Got it.
You don't even realize when you're shooting your entire argument in the foot either.
"NFL coach hiring is the buddy system. If you're buddy makes it you'll get a chance regardless of race. "
lol....you ever think then that the fact that the vast, vast majority of coaches, or 'buddies' who 'made it' historically in the league were white......and that this 'buddy' system then isn't a meritocracy at all. It's a who-you-know'. league.....and the people you need to know just happen to almost all be white. You don' think that has an effect?
I mean....the fact that you post this with a straight face, thinking it helps your argument,......lol...I mean talk about a hilarious self-own: 'It's not racist. It's just white people hiring white people. See! Not racist! It's a buddy system!'
It's like a South Park episode lol.....
it's like trying to claim the banking system wasn't racist in the 1950's "Getting a loan is easy! You just gotta know a guy who knows a guy who knows the white guy at the bank! EZ Peasy! He's an Elk!"
You can't even seem to put 2 and 2 together. No wonder the entire concept eludes you.
You're delusional.
Coaching trees are a thing. If you're an OC or DC for a successful Head Coach you'll eventually get a HC job if you know what you're doing. Sometimes even if you don't know what you're doing like the Pat Shurmer and Romeo Crennel's of the world.
Coaches want to keep their jobs. They do not hire people that suck just to keep the skin color's in line.