nhlgoalie wrote:
You don't test positive for anabolic steroids because you ate a burrito. That's total nonsense.
Exactly!! End of story
nhlgoalie wrote:
You don't test positive for anabolic steroids because you ate a burrito. That's total nonsense.
Exactly!! End of story
What makes sense is she was taking Deca and got a surprise visit and was glowing. This happens all the time and is the reason why out of competition testing was implemented in the first place.
I can't wait in half a year when everyone comes to the conclusion that Shelby is a doper and a liar(except for the delusional ones). The same people who are creating these conspiracy theories to defend this Burrito Vixen are gonna be dragging people outside the USA through the mud for a positive test without question. It's gonna be a joy to see. Thank you all for the laughs.
And I love the language of the report-
INTENTIONAL
the whole burrito thing smacks of someone looking for an excuse. The "Zapruder film" like examination ion her dinner reaches parody levels. The fact that Gualt entertains it is not FANTASTIC, it's embarrassing.
so if the [b-word] ordered steak, why the eff would she settle for pork??? sounds suspicious to me.. ban her for life. noone likes a cheater
not naive wrote:
blanket fort wrote:
At this point, without actually having WADAs report, this is the only good answer. Anyone claiming to know 100% that she’s guilty is just as much of a jackaas as someone claiming 100% she is innocent.
As much as it sucks if you’re not actually cheating, the athlete is responsible.
As someone else said, the fact that the lab admitted it wasn’t injected makes me very skeptical that she was actually doping.
Again, where are people seeing that the lab admitted anything about injections? Seriously - is everyone just taking BTC's word for this? We haven't heard from the lab, right? If not, pretty irresponsible for Gault / Letsrun to take thiood or howen acting 100% certain the positive result came from mea
Highly doubt the lab said anything with regard to how she got the positive result and that it wasn't through injection. That is not their job - they report results. Not play sleuth on why its positive. Sounds more like a lawyer saying that. The more stuff I hear the more convinced I am that she is guilty - wrong food order, its was greasy so it could be pork, wasn't sure what I ate - wait I think itwas a pork burrito, convinced though that whatever it is I ate caused this false positive, JS claiming he never heard of this drug, all sounds beyond fishy. It sounds like a desperate CYA story because you got caught and never thought you would. And now playing actress trying to convince everyone shes clean.
If it had been injected it would have been present in her follow up test in January and it was not.
And in response to “spade detector” it has been mentioned over and over that if you actually wanted to gain advantage and cheat, nandrolone taken orally would not be the way to go.
had enough wrote:
the whole burrito thing smacks of someone looking for an excuse. The "Zapruder film" like examination ion her dinner reaches parody levels. The fact that Gualt entertains it is not FANTASTIC, it's embarrassing.
We should start calling the BTC the BurritoMan Track Club. Just so we could add on to this parody of a doping scandal that everyone is creating.
JKCarter wrote:
Nothing adds up to paint a complete picture here.
Let's say she's a doper. They already affirmed that the nandrolone wasn't injected as it wasn't detected later as such. The other route is oral, which everyone agrees is a stupid way to take it.
False.
“Conte said nandrolone is often detected when an athlete is taking another banned substance—likely testosterone—that was manufactured in an illicit laboratory that doesn't adhere to strict quality standards and also makes drugs for bodybuilders, who, of course, aren't subject to drug testing (the specifics of Marte's positive test are unknown). Because nandrolone can be detected in such low quantities, cross contamination from using the same equipment to manufacture other substances can happen.”
Conte is the cofounder of BALCO.
lara_croft wrote:
not naive wrote:
Again, where are people seeing that the lab admitted anything about injections? Seriously - is everyone just taking BTC's word for this? We haven't heard from the lab, right? If not, pretty irresponsible for Gault / Letsrun to take thiood or howen acting 100% certain the positive result came from mea
Highly doubt the lab said anything with regard to how she got the positive result and that it wasn't through injection. That is not their job - they report results. Not play sleuth on why its positive. Sounds more like a lawyer saying that. The more stuff I hear the more convinced I am that she is guilty - wrong food order, its was greasy so it could be pork, wasn't sure what I ate - wait I think itwas a pork burrito, convinced though that whatever it is I ate caused this false positive, JS claiming he never heard of this drug, all sounds beyond fishy. It sounds like a desperate CYA story because you got caught and never thought you would. And now playing actress trying to convince everyone shes clean.
If it had been injected it would have been present in her follow up test in January and it was not.
And in response to “spade detector” it has been mentioned over and over that if you actually wanted to gain advantage and cheat, nandrolone taken orally would not be the way to go.
It’s been “mentioned” unconvincingly and without support.
I’m open ears. Why?
Pjrocks wrote:
“Conte said nandrolone is often detected when an athlete is taking another banned substance—likely testosterone—that was manufactured in an illicit laboratory that doesn't adhere to strict quality standards and also makes drugs for bodybuilders, who, of course, aren't subject to drug testing (the specifics of Marte's positive test are unknown). Because nandrolone can be detected in such low quantities, cross contamination from using the same equipment to manufacture other substances can happen.”
Conte is the cofounder of BALCO.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/9app8z/starling-marte-tests-positive-for-nandrolone-the-kiss-of-death-drug
This is an excellent quote from Dick Pound: "You can eat boar's testicles all week and not reach that level."
All I want to say is despite the fact that everyone became an endocrinologist overnight, I spoke to an to an actual endo about this and the whole burrito story is suspect at best.
However even I nor they can't speak for USADA. Nor should you. I cannot believe the amount of people who graduated both law school and medical school overnight. Utterly shocking.
Liberal fact checker wrote:
data hack wrote:
This is really looking embarrassing for you guys. So much for being champions of clean sport.
Yeah, this article basically says "if we like you, we'll believe whatever you say and claim you're clean. If we don't like you, we're getting the pitchforks out no matter what defense you present."
It really amazes me that people like you are so lazy. Jonathan Gault wrote a similar piece about Jarrion Lawson, whom he doesn't have a relationship with. Contaminated food is a real problem in this country whether you want to believe it or not.
But yes, it also is an easy excuse for dopers to make.
I suggest you read this.
We had Jonathan spend a lot of time and resources on that article. Not many people read it at the time but the fact that we wrote it about a black sprinter disples the argument that we only care about a) whites or b) pepole we cover regularly.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/04/the-amazing-story-of-how-jarrion-lawson-cleared-his-name-he-showed-that-the-head-of-a-wada-lab-provided-false-testimony-against-him/Barry Badrinath wrote:
Yup, LetsRun is literally the only place reporting anything nefarious about Christiane Ayotte. All it takes is a quick search of European news sources to see how horrible of a look this is for the US Track and Field team and Nike. If they want to save face, USATF and a bunch of athletes will come out with statements feeling sorry for Shelby but stating they are glad clean sport is being upheld.
Since you live in the same town as my inlaws, let's have a coffee and discuss this.
you don't think it's significant that a woman who was proven to have basically lied on the witness stand or at a very minimum really given misleading testimony was key to the case? Here in Baltimore, once a cop lies on the stand, they basically are never allowed to testify in court again.
Might it be a made up excuse? Yes. But can we stop acting like this is some American conspiracy. The head of USADA - Travis Tygart - for god's sake recently went on the Australian equivalent of 60 m inutes to try to defend an Australian swimmer who he said may be the victim of contaminated food.
Yes, many dopers may use that as a made up excuse. But if it's real for 10% of the cases that 10% too many. They either need to be specifically told not to eat certian meets and really warned against or the test levels have to be bumped up.
colorunner123 wrote:
The problem with this argument is that less than 24 hours ago Shelby and Jerry both strongly implied she had eaten a pork burrito.
Yes, you raise a good point.
I do not like how they presented this at the presser. If I was them I would hae been 100% honest about it. The way they phrased it at the event made me think she hadn't ordered pork and that's specifically why I had Jonathan ask them about that.
That being said, they have been way more open than most. I've never heard of someone doing a Q&A with the media right after a positive test. Most whole up and deny.
That report says specifically 19-norandrosterone, which is the exact same thing Kevin Castille was recently busted for. And EVERYBODY knew he was dirty. Nobody defended him. So someone please enlighten me how this is any different. I'm not buying the burrito story for one second.
Harambe wrote:
There have been studies showing that eating a few 100g of wild (i.e. non-castrated) boar offal can cause levels close to 5 ng/mL.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10861987/The fact that the AIU has conceded that the nandrolone could not have been injected is a big flag for me. Who takes oral anabolic steroids? They don't work at all.
Something doesn't add up. I'm more on Shelby's side than I was last night.
Harambe. Can you explain why oral steroids don't work at all? Why is that? That's very important to me to understand.
Brianruns10 wrote:
I'm ashamed at how the LRC founders are handling this situation. It's obvious here that Houlihan got caught doping, and the only real question in my mind is whether Schumacher and Flanagan were aware. That he could deny even knowing what nandralone is, when it's his BUSINESS to know, raises many red flags.
I feel that if this were almost any other athlete...if it were a black sprinter, or a Turkish middle distance runner, or an Ethiopian marathoner, this would be open and shut. But because it's Schumacher, because it's Houlihan, all of a sudden the same people who have excoriated Caster Semenya, who have convicted Regina Jacobs without evidence, who have condemned so many, are crying for justice and how this is a tragedy.
Oh there is a tragedy unfolding alright, and it's happening right here at this website, and to this sport that I have lived in my whole life as the son of a coach, and a competitive runner. It is the ruination of the sport by people like Houlihan, and shills like the LRC staff.
1) Racism. Read our lawson piece.
2) Without evidence? I knew Jacobs was a doper when she pulled out of the Olympics after the EPO test was announced. I was proven correct.
3) as for caster, she's not eating pigs balls, she's literally got her own internal testes that function.
I think without getting more evidence, seeing the decision both sides are foolish for saying they know one way or the other.