Think About It wrote:
klucker wrote:
McDonald seems to be much heavier than he was as a collegiate. I remember in one of his youtube videos his dietician explained that's a conscious decision to make him more injury resistant, but he's gotta start cutting the weight if he wants to hit any Olympic standards and make a team.
He already has two qualifiers and looks like a shoe in for both
Oops ignore that / my bad
Anyone else impressed by Hehirs performance? Sub 28 coming off that marathon performance is good stuff. I follow his Strava and he definitely seems like he is early in a training cycle as well.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Anyone else impressed by Hehirs performance? Sub 28 coming off that marathon performance is good stuff. I follow his Strava and he definitely seems like he is early in a training cycle as well.
Pretty amazing he was able to do this in med school. But he still needs an Olympic standard.
Residency starts July 1st and orientation usually starts at least a week prior. As hard as it would be to stay fit in med school, residency is a whole different level. No flexibility at all in the schedule there. I had months where I was obligated to work over 300 hours. Plus they expect you to study and prepare lectures in your spare time. There's just no time to train most months.
douglas burke wrote:
Ralphm wrote:
Would it be safe to say that no American has ever run as fast (27:22) at age 33 as Emmanuel Bor did tonight. There is no doubt that if some talent comes along then Galen’s U.S. 10000m record is toast.
Lopez Lomong ran 27:04 at 33 or 34
Weird. Ben True is three years older and recently ran 27:14.
Ya'll called those times pretty damn close.
Did Sara Hall get the standard? I think even with her London marathon time she didn't make the team in that event but maybe she could in the 10000 if she gets top 3 in the trials.
Pretty good wrote:
Did Sara Hall get the standard? I think even with her London marathon time she didn't make the team in that event but maybe she could in the 10000 if she gets top 3 in the trials.
yes
Never mind I see that she did get it
michiganrunner55 wrote:
I agree. You have to remember Mantz was on his Mormon mission for 2 years and has only been back at it a year or so and he is only a junior. Give him a couple years. He is only 24
Trials are in a month. He doesn't have a couple years to be a "real threat". Which was the saccharine comment I was referring too.
On a related note, do we have evidence that these Mormon guys, even with a two year hiatus in college, really get much better after they graduate?
Rohatinsky did not get better. All the recent BYU guys have gotten a lot worse, but that could be an effect of their training environment (eg. Linkletter).
Mantz could probably run 2:08-2:09 if he trains well post collegiately, but he's limited mechanically and I don't see him under 27:10 which is where it's at these days in the US.
Runnerofruns wrote:
And what is your PR, sir? For a collegian (or anyone), this is an excellent performance and 27 seconds off his PR!!! He will be top 6-7 at the trials, with an outside shot at top 3 in a championship style race.
So negative.....you must be a drag at parties!
Much slower than 27:41. How is that relevant?
27:41 is a solid run for a college athlete. Which I said. This however does not put him in the conversation to make the Olympic team.
Please tell me how Mantz' chances improve in a "tactical" (I think you mean "slow) race? The guy is more of a grinder and has less basic speed than many others who will be in the field.
Talbi ran a pr of 13:28 in a 5k on May 1st all alone. Near two weeks later he runs 27:20, beating guys who have 5k pr’s over 20 seconds faster. Insane
klucker wrote:
free shipping with purchases wrote:
McDonald not good. Lacking the edge he had at Wisconsin. Has been lackluster as a pro.
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McDonald seems to be much heavier than he was as a collegiate. I remember in one of his youtube videos his dietician explained that's a conscious decision to make him more injury resistant, but he's gotta start cutting the weight if he wants to hit any Olympic standards and make a team.
I agree that he did but can we consider how this comment would have gone over if it had been about a female runner?
Like it or not, we all value a sport in which light and lean is an advantage and likely a necessity for world class performance.
koper wrote:
He needs to leave Team Boss and join Ritz. Both teams are in Boulder anyway.
Besides Emma Coburn, Boss' athletes are kinda meh.
Unfortunately he can’t. I’d love to see Hunter and McDonald join that group, but their shoe sponsorships limit who they can train with.
That would actually be a perfect group because nobody would really be competing against each other for teams. 3 milers, all from different countries and two 5K guys (American and Australian) plus an American 10K dude.
free shipping with purchases wrote:
Runnerofruns wrote:
And what is your PR, sir? For a collegian (or anyone), this is an excellent performance and 27 seconds off his PR!!! He will be top 6-7 at the trials, with an outside shot at top 3 in a championship style race.
So negative.....you must be a drag at parties!
Much slower than 27:41. How is that relevant?
27:41 is a solid run for a college athlete. Which I said. This however does not put him in the conversation to make the Olympic team.
Please tell me how Mantz' chances improve in a "tactical" (I think you mean "slow) race? The guy is more of a grinder and has less basic speed than many others who will be in the field.
Agree to disagree on the chances of someone in the top 10. Top 20 collegiate mark all time, one of the best runs in the last 10 years, and it’s “solid for a college athlete”? Tough crowd....which is why I ask your PRs. What otherworldly standard are you trying to hold these athletes to?
A 27 second PR, collegiate leader, positioning the kid for top 10 finish (or better) at the trials is an outstanding result. And he is certainly on the shortlist of runners who can be considered 1) capable of going sub 27:30 and 2) quite fit at this time. Sounds like a contender to anyone with reason. Is it an outside shot? Sure. Is he dreaming about making it, with a far more realistic chance than most? You bet your ass he is.
Klecker just ran a time that would have been sniffing the AR before Meb. It’s damn fasssssstttt bro. His Strava lets you know just how proud he is. So why hating in your comment?
You’re missing the point: you’re a card carrying member of the no fun brigade. Try some positivity on for size, you might like it!
Steph Twell skipped the British marathon trials to concentrate on the 10k, runs 33 mins.
runderun wrote:
Steph Twell skipped the British marathon trials to concentrate on the 10k, runs 33 mins.
But she's been in with UK Athletics since she was a junior, so it doesn't matter. Pedigree matters more than accomplishments with that lot.
free shipping with purchases wrote:
michiganrunner55 wrote:
I agree. You have to remember Mantz was on his Mormon mission for 2 years and has only been back at it a year or so and he is only a junior. Give him a couple years. He is only 24
On a related note, do we have evidence that these Mormon guys, even with a two year hiatus in college, really get much better after they graduate?
Rohatinsky did not get better. All the recent BYU guys have gotten a lot worse, but that could be an effect of their training environment (eg. Linkletter).
Mantz could probably run 2:08-2:09 if he trains well post collegiately, but he's limited mechanically and I don't see him under 27:10 which is where it's at these days in the US.
There's mountains of evidence these guys don't get better on a mission. There are many examples of big-time recruits who got worse. Kids always come back out of shape and usually have gained at least 10 lbs.
Mantz, to your question ran like a 17:55 5K the last day of his mission. He lost 3 to 3.5 minutes of fitness on that mission. It took him a solid year to regain his form.
And Mantz is the best possible outcome. There are big-time recruits on their roster now who have been back for years and haven't run a single respectable time.
The mission advantage may be more than we imagine because it involves a massive increase in self-discipline, motivation, and toughness. However, we don't need to assert any of those things, because when an 18 or 19 year old gets to substitute his 18 and 19 year old performances with 23 and 24 year old performances, he gets a huge advantage and that, plus altitude, good recruits, and good coaching, are why BYU does so well. Who isn't much better at 23 or 24 than 18 or 19? Almost no one. That's physical and mental maturity.
Nur at 27:47 as a redshirt frosh in outdoor track looks to have a much better future than Mantz as an eleventh year junior or whatever, but 27:41 is a fine collegiate time and nothing to be ashamed of at all. He'll be the favorite at NCAA's it seems.
runnER/DR wrote:
There's mountains of evidence these guys don't get better on a mission. There are many examples of big-time recruits who got worse. Kids always come back out of shape and usually have gained at least 10 lbs.
Mantz, to your question ran like a 17:55 5K the last day of his mission. He lost 3 to 3.5 minutes of fitness on that mission. It took him a solid year to regain his form.
And Mantz is the best possible outcome. There are big-time recruits on their roster now who have been back for years and haven't run a single respectable time.
My question was: do these Mormon guys get better after college? But, I guess, thanks for that spontaneous emission of tangential information.
Pro camp would say they're still on an upward swing regaining fitness after going on a mission, but I'm not sure that's true. In this case, Mantz probably doesn't have a ton of upside - maybe 27:20-:30 - which, crazy as it sounds, is not getting you on a team these days. Maybe a Pan Am team.