Tom “Tinman” Schwartz and Drew Hunter/Tinman Elite have parted ways

I wonder if the whole situation worked better when Tinman was coaching TME remotely.

1) He didn't have to see some of the childish b.s. on a weekly basis.

2) His personality may be grating as a coach you see daily.

You would think having a coach there on a daily basis would increase accountability, but maybe it didn't in this case. The flipping the bird advice could have a "get off my lawn feel" if delivered a certain way.

The fact he uprooted his family without a long-term deal is head-scratching. Basically put his faith in the Hunters that it would work out.

RunnerConnection wrote:

You are obviously a fan of Tinman Elite or perhaps one of them. By the way my post isn't an opinion, it is what really did happen. Why would I take the time to write and share this information? To end all the speculations and assumptions that people out there think or say are happening. Sometimes the truth hurts, but I'm not going to post information that is not true.

Your post was full of your opinions. You started one "fact" with "i have a hunch" - do you think a hunch is a fact?

Why not disclose how many people your husband currently coaches and what he is earning a year from coaching all of them. Those would be very interesting facts and very relevant facts as to why he was in the situation he was in with that group.

You've made out that, despite his PhD. he was just some stooge with no control of that group, which is not flattering to his intelligence. I can only assume the arrangement was mutually beneficial and structured that way so he could carry on with his profitable business coaching all and sundry. The good part about that is then he just looks mercenary (keeping his eye on the cash coming in), instead of the totally incompetent business person you describe.

Ahhh, memories. Page 6 of the below less-than-6-month-old thread is GOLDEN...

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10304322&page=5

AND WHAT ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH is LateRunnerPhil talking about in his last paragraph below? LOL

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9580829

From the Tinman Elite website:

"[Tom]'s fighting, loving spirit is the reason we are called Tinman. It is an honor for us to bear the "Tinman" name and represent Tom in training and competition. Tom's passion and love for his athletes is unparalleled. As a team, we get our gritty and tough, yet loving team culture from the man who brought us all together. He currently lives in Boise, Idaho, with his wife, Tammy, and son, Teigon. Tom brings tenacity, compassion, and an inquisitive mind to Tinman Elite that shapes all team members."

Tough looks here that this seemingly has not been updated in a while. Schwartz himself is clearly inseparable from the image and brand that the runners have built. I want to view them as good guys, or at least with good intentions, so I hope they realize that they should change their name even if it means sacrificing some profit from their merch, etc. That's like the bare minimum that they should do at this point. Especially since, if you scroll down on that same page of their website, or watch their videos, Cory Leslie indicates that they are recruiting a women's team. If there is any follow-through with that, they should embrace a complete rebranding. What woman is gonna want to run for a group of guys called "Tinman Elite"?

oh no no no wrote:

shea it aint so wrote:

Nobody has mentioned the possibility of Adidas stepping in and forcing the change. Perhaps they felt the need to protect their investment?

I'm slightly disturbed to say that I think they might be coaching themselves at this point. At the very least, their new coach does not actually meet with them in person and hasn't changed the workouts.

1. A vid shows Hunter explaining a workout

2. Hammer and Axe: they think they know how to coach

3. Frat house vibes have increased.

Truly inmates running the asylum.

Frat house vibes are kind of an unfortunate given when you assemble a bunch of 20-something white boys with a massively inflated sense of self-worth in a monochromatic college town.

I agree with the Adidas thing. What a sh*t show. This is Part of the reason why they (Adidas) fail at being even in the same ocean as a brand like Nike and the BTC. What an embarrassment for the company.

Well done for speaking out Tammy.

Hoka would love to be associated with a mind and person like Tinman. Those immature kids don't deserve your husband.

Never buying anything adidas again ..never; hope these punks fail; hoping D. Hunter shows Parsons the door, the guy is disgusting; hope mommy Hunter and her bitter jealous need for attention is met with the karma she deserves;

wishing Tinman and his family best wishes.

Rough day for TME at Drake. Parsons 13:38 and Gusman DNF

That guy certainly has issues, though he might just be baiting you since he has nothing better to do with his time. I'd be careful not too waste to much breath and mind space on a troll like that!

For any avoidance of doubt, I'll add that HHW is a great guy and actually contributes to LRC.

RunnerConnection wrote:

You are obviously a fan of Tinman Elite or perhaps one of them. By the way my post isn't an opinion, it is what really did happen. Why would I take the time to write and share this information? To end all the speculations and assumptions that people out there think or say are happening. Sometimes the truth hurts, but I'm not going to post information that is not true.

Why the f*** would the wife of Tinman post anything? Because "the wife of Tinman" is either really Tinman sniping as he licks his wounds, or it IS his wife spouting whatever the hell she wants, in blind, loyal support of her husband.

Personally, I think RunnerConnection is just Tinman airing his dirty laundry, which is pretty cowardly and disgusting. And so is a wife's posting of the dirty laundry.

But, what the heck, let's just say that you ARE his wife. Either way, what you posted is shameful, reactionary, self-serving, and cowardly.

Hinting that that nice Drew Hunter kid was corrupted by his UNNAMED teammate is pathetic b*tching, and there is NO GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE THAT, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WRITE AS THE ALLEGED TRUTH. Yep, it may be true, and then again, IT MAY BE LIKE MOST DIVORCE CASES EVER. Or like most court cases, of all kinds, ever, where sworn testamony, sometimes on both sides, AIN'T THE FRIGGIN' TRUTH. "But why would a person lie on the witness stand?" you would ask? Are you naive, or what? Some things are said because the person isn't even aware of the other side of the argument!

The mudslinging has really begun, hasn't it, RunnerConnection, I mean Tinman?

A good number of readers will automatically believe what you wrote because they're easily duped, or they will choose to believe anything which paints the Tinmen in a bad light. If Melania Trump says that her husband was a victim of voter fraud, a good number of readers will automatically believe it. This isn't much different. So just because you claim that what you wrote is true, we're supposed to take it as gospel? ? Not in a million years!

I HAVE NEVER MET ANY TINMEN, OR TOM. I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THE TINMEN. DON'T LIVE WITHIN 2000 MILES OF BOULDER. I once saw Dru run at a track meet. Didn't meet him. THEY MAY BE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF PUNK FRAT BOYS THIS SIDE OF ANIMAL HOUSE, for all I know.

I'll say that anyone who goes public in a "he said, she said" reaction to perceived (and real) hurt - as in YOU - is deserving of a few harsh words. I feel VERY sorry for your husband, and your family., but I'll go on refusing to believe any of the dirty laundry you post on this message board.

In fact, why don't you just stay off of this message board if you're only going to spout your b*tching vitriol and claim truths that are either lies, half-truths, or in-the-dark untruths? That goes for Tinman, too. I suspect that both Tinman and his wife are clueless on many aspects of the Tinman Elite story and what has transpired.

TO THE READERS: Don't believe everything you read! Or go ahead and believe my words, because I'm telling you they're true. No, the only truth is that almost everything you read on letsrun.com may be erroneous, or deceitful, or in some other way it may misinform you.

Hey buddy, take a chill pill. All you did was make it sound more like you're a TME guy, so if you're not, I'd relax. You have no idea who is right or wrong, so why do you feel so strongly about this?

Before anyone bashes Mrs. Tinman Schwartz for being bias or some BS you need to answer these questions:

1. Who is your Hammer and Axe Coach?

2. How many TME “drops” have you participated in?

3. How many TME merchandise do you own?

4. Do you eat cereal from your TME singing bowl?

Thanks.

This is just like Carson Wentz and Doug Pederson. I hope changes in scenery help both athletes.

What a huge embarrassment for Adidas.

Mixed with the poor results at the Drake Relays I would not be renewing their contracts.

Lapped Miler is seriously obnoxious.

Can someone tell wesfly to f7ck off

I know I post for YMMV when I post this “reminder”...

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#NeverForget