Anyone ever had a "Sports Hernia" aka: "Sportsman's hernia", "Gilmore's groin", or &quot

Greg,

My pain is in a small area and not very painful these days - like I said it feels more like a weakness. It feels like if I push it it could "go", so I'm not pushing it until I see Dr UM and what the situation really is. I've only had the injury 7 months and I immediately stopped soccer, running, and weights for the first two months. I started jogging again then, but only sporadically thinking rest was helping. In the last month I've been jogging regularly and comfortably. I now feel the weakness when sprinting or exagerated twisting.

In one of Mike in VA's posts a few pages back he described the bowels pushing through, then receding back, but they can increase the size of the tear and cause nerve damage. With nerves you never know where your pain may end up. I guess you have some nerve related problems and possible have also increase the size of your tear. I doubt to 12 cm though.

So did you stop soccer and other activities when the injury occurred or did you keep going for sometime? I'm not clear on that.

Hi guys - Thanks so much for your responses to my questions. I have decided to stick to the plan and get the surgery next week. I think you are right - Den and Mike - that b/c I kept moving thru pain for 7 months - I have injured myself beyond the point of rehab. Greg - my pain is definitely covering a wider area now - the pain has moved all the way up my abs to under my ribs, into my other side's groin and adducotrs, my hips and my SI joint.

I have yet another question - I do have incredible tightness in the opposite side's groin, adducotors and hip flexor and now there is a small lump there. Dr Meyers did not mention if he was doing the release on both sides or not. Did anyone get the release done on only one side but the other side was also healed by it. I am assuming it is just another example of how our bodies compensate for th injury and start damaging other parts.

Mike in VA- I am going to keep looking into the insurance issue and will let you know if I have any luck w/ Aetna.

It seems that I am the only woman on this site - but if I am incorrect - could one of you ladies please respond to this - I have a question that only pertains to us.

Thanks again guys for all of your hlep and support! I REALLY appreicate it! It has made me feel much less crazy :) tiff

Greg,

My area of pain prior to Dr. UM's repair was from my lower abdomen on the left side, down through my groin (into my testicles) and down the inside of my left leg as far as above my knee joint on some days. It was all nerve pain. SH symptoms are described differently by all of us because it is primarily a radiating nerve pain condition. I suggest getting an Ultrasound by Dr. UM or an MRI by Meyers in order to try and determine the actual size and location of your injury. The hypersensitivity in the skin area was also experienced by myself as part of my injury. I sleep great now after my repair. The only days I had to sleep on my back or right side were the first 4 days after my surgery because of the incision pain and swelling. After that it has been smooth sailing. Who diagnosed you with a SH?

Mike in Va.

Tiff-

When I went in my opposite side was getting as bad as the other....or so it felt. However, it did not show a tear and i was told this was due to compensatory movements.

If you want to read about a girl, go to page 15/16 and read the trials/tribulations of herniagal. She had a bilateral with adductor release (i think). It gives her OR report as well. It almost reads verbatim to mine.

You will do well. Put your mind at ease with a call to Meyers if you have ?'s on anything.

Tiff,

I had the same symptoms on the other side last year... I was very concerned at first, but it eventually went away after I rested. I'm pretty sure it was a compensation problem. I've experienced some very minor symptoms on the other side since then pre-surgery, and after surgery, but I think it is just some tightness or adjusting.

Greg......Ive had it going on 5 years...surgery scheduled 7/15.......yes over time the pain apreads as the body becomes more dysfunctional dut to the unstablized pelvis....as time went on my pains sread from just pubic/low ab to groin, SI Joint, LOw back, mid back, hips and glutes...eventually even my shoulders, knees and feet began to develop aches and pains................who diagnosed you and what did they say was torn????

Tiff surgery is the only way nce your past that point of the pain being in a concentrated area...your doing the right thing....Ill be there the week after you so we can buzz in here and compare notes on our rehab......Like you my pain tightness has increased tremendously on the opposite side over the last 4 months ...almost to the point where that side is bothering more then my bad side...Ive got another MRI scheduled the day before surgery to see if that side has now become a problem....personally I would rather skip the MRI and just have him open up that side to but we will see what the MRI shows first....Hes also fixing a small belly button hernia too so Im also looking at a possible 3 incision along with the adductor release...he called it the Blue Plate Special lol......I call it the Triple Play....Good luck to you!!!

Greg,

I first noticed the pain in my left groin while playing basketball. The pain radiated to my lower abs within the next day or two. I tried resting for a couple weeks. Went back to play ball again and within 20 minutes I knew something was wrong. After an hour I could barely walk. I then noticed that my lower abs hurt like I was trying to do leg lifts all day long. Now, my right groin hurts too and I have pain radiating down my hamstrings. My wife asked me why I drive hunched over, and I realized that I can't sit up straight without straining my lower abs. Same thing with sitting at the computer. It's become an involuntary thing.

I totally stopped working out, but I am a contractor who has to work physically every day. By 4 pm every day I am done.

The whole groin area is sensitive to the touch. I tried to massage my groin to see if it might help. I can't, it's way too tender.

This isn't good for us who are in a relationship. My wife seems to suffer almost as much as I do, if you know what I mean.

My biggest fear is that I have tears in both sides now. At least it feels as bad on both sides. Only a few more days.

Anyone want to meet at the Brown Palace Hotel for coffee? I'm game. I have a couple hours to burn and would enjoy meeting with some of you.

Mike in Denver.

wow, that was fast! thanks for posting, albert!

tiff-- i am also scheduled for surgery with meyers next week. i also had the hip labrum tears show up on mri and meyers was equally unconcerned. i'm not crazy about getting cut, but i have gone through 6 months of PT and 1.5 years of relative rest and still can't play hockey or work out strenuously without it causing pain, so i feel surgery is my best option. as for rehab, meyers' papers suggest the core strengthening program developed by alex mckechnie is a good follow-on to his rehab protocol. google core-x and you'll find his product, which i believe albert is using. good luck to you!

hockey player

Can you email me at re_munson at hotmail dot com?

Hockey was essentially what drove my SH over the edge, I'm also doing the CoreX program and I want to pick your brain a little.

Thanks!

Hey all...it has been a long time since I posted but I have been spending a lot of time trying to heal.

I had surgery in Munich with Dr. UM back in late February. My healing was A LOT slower than Mike's in VA. I told her not to cut or remove any nerves and the pain I had experienced was pretty constant during the first month of recovery. My second month was much improved and that is when I started rehab. I had a very pronounced healing ridge and it was achy a lot...not pain, mind you, but achy. The beginning of the third month was even better and I was feeling chipper mentally that things would be 'all right'. Then, the second half of the third month I started to get the bulging, puffy feeling again. I'm sure we have all experienced it in some fashion - you raise your leg and it feels like an inflated balloon is in there giving resistance. Of course, there is no visible bulging but the sensation is there. I communicated with Dr. UM various times since then and she felt it was simply the nerve coming back to life and some nerve irritation. Having dealt with this SH for a year prior to getting the surgery done, I am not easily convinced when I hear the simple explanation that it is just nerve irritation. Again, I'm sure most can relate to my sentiment as many of us have gone through countless doctors who offer their opinion only to find out that they are wrong. So, I tend to be a skeptic when an explanation rolls off of their tongues so quickly and easily. I will be seeing Dr. UM on July 4 in Denver for her to perform a follow-up exam and ultrasound. I have already narrowed it down to two possible scenarios - either I have a new weakness of the posterior inguinal canal (i.e. incipient hernia) or we have built up scare tissue with possible nerve entanglement/entrapment. Scar tissue I can live with, but hearing that a new weakness/bulge has formed will be a total bummer. Since I am in California, I will probably seek a second opinion from Dr. William Brown, another sports hernia specialist, and see about another dynamic ultrasound to verify whatever she finds. I don't have any pain, per se, but it feels achy and puffy. I continue to stretch and do my rehab exercises but I am not sure if they are doing any good at this point. Of course, I can't help but to wonder that if I had the nerve cut, I would not be having this problem; but again, I was never big on nerve cuts as I believe they can create their own problems down the road. Anyway, perhaps I will be seeing some of you guys at the Brown Palace in a few days. Here is to a better day and a recovered life for all of us. Ciao

I had the nerves cut and I feel no better now than I did before the surgery in February.

I would be glad to meet for coffee. My appt is at 10am 7/4

Teri,

You're right after me. Since I live here, let me look at some places we all could meet at say 8 am.

Mike in Denver

My appt is at 10:15. Wow, Dr. M must be good! 15 min per patient? I guess she has looked at a few SH's? hehe

I will probably be able to meet for coffee. There are about 1,800 starbucks downtown so I would bet there is one on the same block as the Brown Palace. FYI for everyone...the meter parking in downtown denver is free on holidays!

garrett

For everyone who is planning on surgery, I would suggest investing in a foam roller. This will help you immensely in staying loose in your post-op rehab. And for those of you who haven't already, get some high quality walking/running shoes.

Hi guys!

It was a Sports medicine doctor that diagnosed me.

Yes, Mike in Denver, I know what you mean... (about the wife-thing)

I dont know if I sit like you, I sit more like an obstinat teenager, always half-lying in the chair and I put a lot of weight on the back of the chair. My wife has commented on that. If I sit like that I don´t have to stabilize so much with my abdominal muscles which is painful. BUT I think that this sitting-position has been really bad for me in the longrun. And it is of course not only the sitting position, when I get out of bed it takes like 3 seconds insted of a quick sit-up like normal people do (0.5 second). You can summarize my situation that I almost never use my abs which I am gonna pay for after my Operations (bi-laterals) when I am not gonna know if my pain (if I am still in pain in my lower abdomen) is because the surgery has failed or if it is because my abs are just sore because I am starting to use them again (and the operation is a success.

ARenko- I stopped pretty early with all sports and just started to live like an 80 year old man. That's why I think that my tear isn't so big even though I have had my SH for so long, since I have been so inactive.

Monchi- That sucks to hear because I am gonna visit Dr. Muschaweck. I am also a little concerned with the whole cutting nerve thing (because I have heard from nervepain-specialists that if you cut a nerve it will often grow out again and you have no control whatsoever about how the nerve is growing. BUT it seems to work for the majority (so I feel sorry for you REM) of her patient so if I decide to get surgery by her then I am gonna give her free hands to do what she feel is the best.

Can you guys who are visiting her ask her which nerves it is exactly that are candidates for being cut?

I know that it is the Ilioinguinal nerve and the genital branch, but since my pain is so high up I am wondering if the Iliohypogastricus nerve also can be involved in my injury. Either if it is obstructed directly by scar-tissue etc OR if it has some branches that have contact with Ilioinguinalis and just start to fire away pain-impulses because ilioinguinalis is damaged and send impulses to some branches of the Iliohypogastricus.

In short, is the Iliohypogastricus involved in this injury..?

AND how does she cut the nerves so that they don´t grow back?

Good luck guys!

Oh, and thank you Mike in VA for your response! Are you allowed to carry your daughter without restrictions now? I am asking since my son also is about the same size (I think you have written that she was 35 lb?). Did Muschaweck give any restrictions concerning that?

I hope we get longer than 15 minutes - I've got a bunch of questions and I'm sure the visit will generate more. I'd hate to feel rushed especially since I'm coming from Houston.

Yeah, I was thinking it would be a little longer than 15 minutes also. I am a little nervous now since I have a flight to catch at 12:55pm. Mike in Denver...can I trade you times??? haha I'm sure everything will be just fine, I can't wait to meet her!

garrett