Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trumps Pain wrote:

Here is the real reason Trump dislikes the budget. He is barred entering into new contracts with, or new agreements for Federal assistance to, his beloved Russia.

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/congress-snuck-new-russia-sanctions-into-spending-bill

Nice find. I hadn't heard about that.

I guess sneaky and underhanded legislative tactics can sometimes be used for good instead of evil.

Wrong, trump has muddied the picture significantly. The truth is neither democrats nor republicans have really wanted to collectively try harder to help the middle class. They have preferred the status quo of satisfying special interest parties, all the while arguing about the causes to blame the other. The strategy has been when one side loses they wait for people to get fed up with the other, instead of winning them over with better proposals. I wish the idea that an outsider would fix something worked, but Trump was a disastrous choice, unless the only thing you care about as a voter is lower corporate taxes, an even bigger military and isolationism.

We still have yet to agree that government isn't pushing policies to help improve the wealth gap and middle class in general. They are responsible for this, and we have the resources and means to improve. However, until we loosen the grip of lobbies, agree that government is critical to success (and not this crazy notion they are just "getting in the way"). and hold politicians more accountable., we aren't going make any policy improvements. Trump is pounding his chest and taking decisive action, but his solutions are just wrong. So far he has been the chief divider, not unifier. The solution is not to restrict our trade, but to grab a bigger share of the growing pie. He is doing the opposite.

Fat hurts wrote:

Trumps Pain wrote:

Here is the real reason Trump dislikes the budget. He is barred entering into new contracts with, or new agreements for Federal assistance to, his beloved Russia.

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/congress-snuck-new-russia-sanctions-into-spending-bill

Nice find. I hadn't heard about that.

I guess sneaky and underhanded legislative tactics can sometimes be used for good instead of evil.

This sheds some light into the real GOP tactics. Publicly they pretend to support and work with Trump, privately they understand what will happen when he's gone and are getting the program. They are supposed to be the gate keepers of national security, so to back Trump on his Russia tilt goes against everything they have preached. There are some career politicians who know how to survive by playing the long game. No question Trump is trying to milk this term for self-interest.

DiscoGary wrote:

. . . he's already proven that he's much better at this stuff than any recent Presidents.

Remind us which trade concessions Trump has achieved to date and how they are "better deals" than achieved by any recent Presidents.

Best post I've seen in this thread in a while

Better if I actually quote the post

Trollminator wrote:

Wrong, trump has muddied the picture significantly. The truth is neither democrats nor republicans have really wanted to collectively try harder to help the middle class.

I know it sounds good to be cynical, but Democrats in recent years have done many things that demonstrably helped the middle class. And this often came at the expense of those well funded "special interests".

Obamacare is a huge one. Now millions more middle class people can go to the doctor when they are sick.

Stronger air quality standards keep millions from getting sick in the first place. In fact, a recent study showed that when you live in a place with clean air, you live 10 years longer. It turns out that particulates are really bad for your lungs.

The CFPB has protected millions from corporate special interests who are always coming up with sophisticated ways to rip you off.

DACA, an Obama policy, protected middle class dreamers from deportation.

I could go on. The point is that when Democrats held at least some of the power, things got done that made middle class lives better. Yes, they could have done more. And yes, special interests still got their out-sized share. But the argument that both sides don't really care about the middle class just doesn't fly.

GOP's Corket to give Trump a pen to veto the spending bill wrote:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/977166887493799936https://twitter.com/SenBobCorker/status/977170827446816769

Love it!! But Trump is just posturing to look tough. He’ll sign it. This way he can say in hindsight the bill was not good enough for him

You are right, but I was mostly talking about the issues that folks like Gary care about. In my opinion, it is pathetic that we haven't established a successful taxpayer-funded universal healthcare system yet. Not to compare, but we should have led the way globally in this. With all our innovation in the space, Americans keep getting sicker and less covered. We've had the blinders on in this topic. I can't have this discussion with conservatives who are against it, in my opinion it's simply subhuman to be against this and it's not up for argument.

Fat hurts wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Wrong, trump has muddied the picture significantly. The truth is neither democrats nor republicans have really wanted to collectively try harder to help the middle class.

I know it sounds good to be cynical, but Democrats in recent years have done many things that demonstrably helped the middle class. And this often came at the expense of those well funded "special interests".

Obamacare is a huge one. Now millions more middle class people can go to the doctor when they are sick.

I'd argue that if what you are saying is true, then few voters seem to recognize it. I would argue labor, industrial, and tax policy didn't redistribute wealth, so, the average voter did not register much gain. The other stuff you mentioned is/was almost abstract to them.

My understanding is Obamacare has holes in it that turned out to be not very helpful to a very large class of workers employed as contract workers. Make no mistake, it was a decent step forward and reasonable people know it wasn't going to be perfect. But, it needs more work.

November's elections will be more interesting given all the conservatives opting out of re-election.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

There you have it folks: people with an education much more strongly agree with Dem ideas/principles. Those without much of an education, especially the ones that are the angry, bible clinging, gun lovin', opioid addicted, minority hatin', white men without much of an education, they REALLY love the R's and Trump. (even though Dems want to do more for them as far as min wage, job training, social services, taxes, etc, etc, etc)

Nice team you got there Disco!

That's kind of typical for young people though, and then they don't vote.

XY wrote:

Love it!! But Trump is just posturing to look tough. He’ll sign it. This way he can say in hindsight the bill was not good enough for him

As you predicted.

Hmmm, the embedly story is not Update.

"Just hours after threatening a veto, President Trump said Friday afternoon that he would sign the sweeping $1.3 trillion spending bill passed by Congress early Friday and avert a government shutdown."

Good- so you agree that the Democats' long-standing position of being for the "middle class" has been a sham. This was a huge part of their base, before they went with a strictly identity-driven political strategy.

If president Obama had the balls to say that he was going to implement tariffs against So-and-so country because they were hurting our middle class, the Dems/Libs would have been ALL FOR IT, and the Republicans would have be strongly against it. You cannot even try to deny this. The Dem politicians would have painted the Reps as trying to kill the middle class and line their pockets.

Trump says it, and all of a sudden you have "Fair Trade" artsy folks talking about free trade and grabbing a bigger piece of the growing pie (just to use your example). It is hilarious.

LOL. .. .. wrote:

XY wrote:

Love it!! But Trump is just posturing to look tough. He’ll sign it. This way he can say in hindsight the bill was not good enough for him

As you predicted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/23/trump-threatens-to-veto-omnibus-bill-because-it-does-not-address-daca-recipients/

Yup. Trump's approval rating will take a big hit from this. He will never get the wall or any significant illegal immigration movement or anything else he wants now that he's shown how easy it is to push him around. Also, this will take a huge toll on Republicans in November. This was political suicide by the Republican Establishment done with the intent to take out Trump with them. It will work.

DiscoGary wrote:

LOL. .. .. wrote:

As you predicted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/23/trump-threatens-to-veto-omnibus-bill-because-it-does-not-address-daca-recipients/

Yup. Trump's approval rating will take a big hit from this. He will never get the wall or any significant illegal immigration movement or anything else he wants now that he's shown how easy it is to push him around. Also, this will take a huge toll on Republicans in November. This was political suicide by the Republican Establishment done with the intent to take out Trump with them. It will work.

Ummm, the Republican party you speak up is a recent aberration. It the Tea Party. It is dead. Trump is done. RIP the "Tea" GOP. The real GOP needs to rise from the ashes of racism and ignorance.

Fat hurts wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Wrong, trump has muddied the picture significantly. The truth is neither democrats nor republicans have really wanted to collectively try harder to help the middle class.

I know it sounds good to be cynical, but Democrats in recent years have done many things that demonstrably helped the middle class. And this often came at the expense of those well funded "special interests".

Obamacare is a huge one. Now millions more middle class people can go to the doctor when they are sick.

I'm not sure if you're joking, but you obviously don't know anything about the ACA. It was a huge giveaway to the health care special interests. You think the health insurers paid any expense? If they couldn't ensure profitability, they've backed out of those regions. There was a slush fund created to gap-fill health insurer profits for Christ's sake!

Who got screwed? The actual middle/upper middle class via higher premiums and much higher deductibles to ensure enough money was available for the new wave of poor people going to the doctor all the time.

What did Trump say specifically? You are a fact less moron. There is nothing artsy about sound economics, it's science and math and there is consensus on the topic. What is hilarious is that you are a lazy simpleton looking for easy answers to your and society's problems. You have reminded me of that famous Bush vs Gore speech. In one back and forth, Gore laid out some statistics to support his argument, with Bush responding by just calling it "fuzzy math". Your type went wild with elation at that one. Please go back to your cave.

Lastly - Gary why are you bothering to change usernames, just stick to your old one we can spot you immediately