2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

rojo wrote:

Settle down fellas wrote:

I am a throws coach, so like many other technical event coaches I spend around 5 hours per day at practice. It’s not ideal being that I am at a place with no operations person or recruiting coordinator. Our distance coach does a great job, but averages probably 1.5 hours a week at practice. To me the hard part of being a distance coach would recruiting. A good recruiting year a throws coach is signing 4-5 athletes. A distance coach trying to field 2 competitive XC teams probably (should) recruit double the amount of people most other event coaches do.

I like your post. When I stopped running with the guys on the easy days, I thought to myself, "What the hell am I supposed to do on an easy day at practice?"

Now in reality, it's not like that. I started having the mid-d guys workout on the day the xc guys were running easy. But yes, distance coaches don't need to see them workout individually. In fact, it's preferred that they workout together. That being said, if I had unlimited time, I"d probably have at least 3 different workout in track. 800, mile, long. And if I truly had unlimited time maybe six groups as you'd have begnning and advanced. That would take up time, but still not 4-5 hours a day.

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

rojo wrote:

I like your post. When I stopped running with the guys on the easy days, I thought to myself, "What the hell am I supposed to do on an easy day at practice?"

Now in reality, it's not like that. I started having the mid-d guys workout on the day the xc guys were running easy. But yes, distance coaches don't need to see them workout individually. In fact, it's preferred that they workout together. That being said, if I had unlimited time, I"d probably have at least 3 different workout in track. 800, mile, long. And if I truly had unlimited time maybe six groups as you'd have begnning and advanced. That would take up time, but still not 4-5 hours a day.

Coaching distance is a lot more in depth than sprint/throws coaches realize. Sure, some coaches copy the training plans exactly as Magness or Daniels writes them, but there are crappy sprint/throws coaches as well. Anyone that goes through USATF or USTFCCCA education programs knows that all sprint/jump/throws training programs look almost exactly the same, and are essentially copied and pasted one year to the next, regardless of what athletes are being worked with.

For one thing, there is a lot to balance when it comes to training plans. Peaking 3 times a year, for example, requires a ton of careful planning. Also, there is a massive difference between coaching 800 and 10,000 and even steeple, that's a lot more variety than in sprints/jumps/throws. Most distance programs have at least 20 men and 20 women. As rojo mentioned, it's best to have a few different practice times to separate out mid distance from distance, the younger vs. the older runners. etc. Recruiting is competitive and the volume is intense. In season all year, Sunday long runs, meets just about every Satuday.

It's a fallacy that coaching technical events is more challenging...coaches basically just watch a jump/throw and say "next time do this" then send them into the weight room. Everyone responds to sprint/throw training the same way, whereas some distance runners respond better to high mileage, others to low mileage, some respond well to tempo runs, others to hard intervals. There is a hell of a lot more nuance to distance training.

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

rojo wrote:

I like your post. When I stopped running with the guys on the easy days, I thought to myself, "What the hell am I supposed to do on an easy day at practice?"

Now in reality, it's not like that. I started having the mid-d guys workout on the day the xc guys were running easy. But yes, distance coaches don't need to see them workout individually. In fact, it's preferred that they workout together. That being said, if I had unlimited time, I"d probably have at least 3 different workout in track. 800, mile, long. And if I truly had unlimited time maybe six groups as you'd have begnning and advanced. That would take up time, but still not 4-5 hours a day.

Coaching distance is a lot more in depth than sprint/throws coaches realize. Sure, some coaches copy the training plans exactly as Magness or Daniels writes them, but there are crappy sprint/throws coaches as well. Anyone that goes through USATF or USTFCCCA education programs knows that all sprint/jump/throws training programs look almost exactly the same, and are essentially copied and pasted one year to the next, regardless of what athletes are being worked with.

For one thing, there is a lot to balance when it comes to training plans. Peaking 3 times a year, for example, requires a ton of careful planning. Also, there is a massive difference between coaching 800 and 10,000 and even steeple, that's a lot more variety than in sprints/jumps/throws. Most distance programs have at least 20 men and 20 women. As rojo mentioned, it's best to have a few different practice times to separate out mid distance from distance, the younger vs. the older runners. etc. Recruiting is competitive and the volume is intense. In season all year, Sunday long runs, meets just about every Satuday.

It's a fallacy that coaching technical events is more challenging...coaches basically just watch a jump/throw and say "next time do this" then send them into the weight room. Everyone responds to sprint/throw training the same way, whereas some distance runners respond better to high mileage, others to low mileage, some respond well to tempo runs, others to hard intervals. There is a hell of a lot more nuance to distance training.

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

rojo wrote:

I like your post. When I stopped running with the guys on the easy days, I thought to myself, "What the hell am I supposed to do on an easy day at practice?"

Now in reality, it's not like that. I started having the mid-d guys workout on the day the xc guys were running easy. But yes, distance coaches don't need to see them workout individually. In fact, it's preferred that they workout together. That being said, if I had unlimited time, I"d probably have at least 3 different workout in track. 800, mile, long. And if I truly had unlimited time maybe six groups as you'd have begnning and advanced. That would take up time, but still not 4-5 hours a day.

Coaching distance is a lot more in depth than sprint/throws coaches realize. Sure, some coaches copy the training plans exactly as Magness or Daniels writes them, but there are crappy sprint/throws coaches as well. Anyone that goes through USATF or USTFCCCA education programs knows that all sprint/jump/throws training programs look almost exactly the same, and are essentially copied and pasted one year to the next, regardless of what athletes are being worked with.

For one thing, there is a lot to balance when it comes to training plans. Peaking 3 times a year, for example, requires a ton of careful planning. Also, there is a massive difference between coaching 800 and 10,000 and even steeple, that's a lot more variety than in sprints/jumps/throws. Most distance programs have at least 20 men and 20 women. As rojo mentioned, it's best to have a few different practice times to separate out mid distance from distance, the younger vs. the older runners. etc. Recruiting is competitive and the volume is intense. In season all year, Sunday long runs, meets just about every Satuday.

It's a fallacy that coaching technical events is more challenging...coaches basically just watch a jump/throw and say "next time do this" then send them into the weight room. Everyone responds to sprint/throw training the same way, whereas some distance runners respond better to high mileage, others to low mileage, some respond well to tempo runs, others to hard intervals. There is a hell of a lot more nuance to distance training.

Ryry wrote:

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

Coaching distance is a lot more in depth than sprint/throws coaches realize. Sure, some coaches copy the training plans exactly as Magness or Daniels writes them, but there are crappy sprint/throws coaches as well. Anyone that goes through USATF or USTFCCCA education programs knows that all sprint/jump/throws training programs look almost exactly the same, and are essentially copied and pasted one year to the next, regardless of what athletes are being worked with.

For one thing, there is a lot to balance when it comes to training plans. Peaking 3 times a year, for example, requires a ton of careful planning. Also, there is a massive difference between coaching 800 and 10,000 and even steeple, that's a lot more variety than in sprints/jumps/throws. Most distance programs have at least 20 men and 20 women. As rojo mentioned, it's best to have a few different practice times to separate out mid distance from distance, the younger vs. the older runners. etc. Recruiting is competitive and the volume is intense. In season all year, Sunday long runs, meets just about every Satuday.

It's a fallacy that coaching technical events is more challenging...coaches basically just watch a jump/throw and say "next time do this" then send them into the weight room. Everyone responds to sprint/throw training the same way, whereas some distance runners respond better to high mileage, others to low mileage, some respond well to tempo runs, others to hard intervals. There is a hell of a lot more nuance to distance training.

Obviously, disagree. How do you improve on a ballpoint pen? Sprinting is the hardest because the improvements are the hardest to come by with the limited window of time. Then there a myriad of factors that come into play on how you train a sprinter. Are the athletes high low, fiber type, short to long, long to short, matveyev, three day or three week turn over, quad or hamstring centric. 100/200, 200/400, 400/800, or 100 meter/field event specialist? That is just a taste. The contributors to the Sprinter's Compendium would disagree with your assessment.

If coaching didn't matter why is it that some schools are great at the technical events every season?

Ryry wrote:

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

Coaching distance is a lot more in depth than sprint/throws coaches realize. Sure, some coaches copy the training plans exactly as Magness or Daniels writes them, but there are crappy sprint/throws coaches as well. Anyone that goes through USATF or USTFCCCA education programs knows that all sprint/jump/throws training programs look almost exactly the same, and are essentially copied and pasted one year to the next, regardless of what athletes are being worked with.

For one thing, there is a lot to balance when it comes to training plans. Peaking 3 times a year, for example, requires a ton of careful planning. Also, there is a massive difference between coaching 800 and 10,000 and even steeple, that's a lot more variety than in sprints/jumps/throws. Most distance programs have at least 20 men and 20 women. As rojo mentioned, it's best to have a few different practice times to separate out mid distance from distance, the younger vs. the older runners. etc. Recruiting is competitive and the volume is intense. In season all year, Sunday long runs, meets just about every Satuday.

It's a fallacy that coaching technical events is more challenging...coaches basically just watch a jump/throw and say "next time do this" then send them into the weight room. Everyone responds to sprint/throw training the same way, whereas some distance runners respond better to high mileage, others to low mileage, some respond well to tempo runs, others to hard intervals. There is a hell of a lot more nuance to distance training.

Obviously, disagree. How do you improve on a ballpoint pen? Sprinting is the hardest because the improvements are the hardest to come by with the limited window of time. Then there a myriad of factors that come into play on how you train a sprinter. Are the athletes high low, fiber type, short to long, long to short, matveyev, three day or three week turn over, quad or hamstring centric. 100/200, 200/400, 400/800, or 100 meter/field event specialist? That is just a taste. The contributors to the Sprinter's Compendium would disagree with your assessment.

If coaching didn't matter why is it that some schools are great at the technical events every season?

coaching sprints is easiest wrote:

Ryry wrote:

Obviously, disagree. How do you improve on a ballpoint pen? Sprinting is the hardest because the improvements are the hardest to come by with the limited window of time. Then there a myriad of factors that come into play on how you train a sprinter. Are the athletes high low, fiber type, short to long, long to short, matveyev, three day or three week turn over, quad or hamstring centric. 100/200, 200/400, 400/800, or 100 meter/field event specialist? That is just a taste. The contributors to the Sprinter's Compendium would disagree with your assessment.

If coaching didn't matter why is it that some schools are great at the technical events every season?

if you are a sprint coach, i feel sorry for your athletes. A lot of the distinctions that you listed don't even exist. The answer is always more sprinting, more plyo's, more explosive lifting. If you ever do long to short, you are doing it wrong. if you are training anyone to be quad centric, you are doing it wrong.

Did you ever even consider that distance runners need to be competent at sprinting too? So not only do they need to do high volume aerobic work, they need to also lift and work on their speed. Take someone like Clayton Murphy who runs 1:42 and a 3:51 mile. He's clearly doing more than just going out for a jog.