He’s totally fried. 5 kids, declining income, stay at home wife, spending his time liking fan comments and deleting the ones he doesn’t like. The alternative is driving for Uber again.
He’s really put himself in a tough spot. I don’t think his kids will be happy down the road that dad has a couple PP victories under their belt when they learn he focused on that rather than thinking about how to fund their college education with a proper career.
Still cracks me up how smugly Seth responded to a critical YouTube comment a few weeks ago with something to the effect of "giving up YT and getting a job would be a loss of income for me".
Yea Seth, when your reference point is driving for Uber that might actually be true lol. But most people have an actual real job in mind when they suggest that.
It probably would be a paycut for him if he's pulling in $80-100k/yr from his running empire. I'm not sure it's even that high. But with no useful skills whatsoever and no recent job experience, you've gotta start out as the low man on the totem pole, maybe take a $50-60k/year marketing, sales, or plumbing apprentice job, and work your way up to the point where you are making $100k+/yr working 9-5 with full benefits. People rip on 9-5 jobs but there's something to be said about a stable salary, PTO, good working hours, and benefits. That goes double if you have kids. He's way behind the curve on that.
If money is really an issue, he should take a $50-60k/yr entry level gig with growth potential, and do YouTube 10hrs/week. He can scale down to 2-3 videos a week and probably keeping drawing a decent chunk of YouTube income over the next few years while he builds up his "real" career. His channel will eventually die on the vine, but he'll be in a better spot for the long term.
Honestly, I would just totally stop running if I were him, maybe do 15-20MPW for general fitness and turkey trots. 50 hrs/week between a full time job and a side YouTube gig is already a huge load for someone with 5 kids.
He had a solid 4-5 years to make it and p*ssed it away - all it got him was a 2:22 marathon, a couple weak PP wins, and a nasty injury thanks to his braindead training methods. He could've been a mountain king, could've ran an OTQ marathon, could've gone all in on 100 milers (I still think he has tons of potential here), but he's getting older, his family is getting bigger, and he's badly injured. I always wanted to see the guy succeed - but it's hard to when he gets great advice for free courtesy of LRC, and does the exact opposite.
He didn' t exactly give many details what "working for DGR" actually involves. You probably have to pay for the shoes yourself as I doubt shoe companies will want to send out free shoes to random DGR Hobbyjogger Stans.
Still cracks me up how smugly Seth responded to a critical YouTube comment a few weeks ago with something to the effect of "giving up YT and getting a job would be a loss of income for me".
Yea Seth, when your reference point is driving for Uber that might actually be true lol. But most people have an actual real job in mind when they suggest that.
It probably would be a paycut for him if he's pulling in $80-100k/yr from his running empire. I'm not sure it's even that high. But with no useful skills whatsoever and no recent job experience, you've gotta start out as the low man on the totem pole, maybe take a $50-60k/year marketing, sales, or plumbing apprentice job, and work your way up to the point where you are making $100k+/yr working 9-5 with full benefits. People rip on 9-5 jobs but there's something to be said about a stable salary, PTO, good working hours, and benefits. That goes double if you have kids. He's way behind the curve on that.
If money is really an issue, he should take a $50-60k/yr entry level gig with growth potential, and do YouTube 10hrs/week. He can scale down to 2-3 videos a week and probably keeping drawing a decent chunk of YouTube income over the next few years while he builds up his "real" career. His channel will eventually die on the vine, but he'll be in a better spot for the long term.
Honestly, I would just totally stop running if I were him, maybe do 15-20MPW for general fitness and turkey trots. 50 hrs/week between a full time job and a side YouTube gig is already a huge load for someone with 5 kids.
He had a solid 4-5 years to make it and p*ssed it away - all it got him was a 2:22 marathon, a couple weak PP wins, and a nasty injury thanks to his braindead training methods. He could've been a mountain king, could've ran an OTQ marathon, could've gone all in on 100 milers (I still think he has tons of potential here), but he's getting older, his family is getting bigger, and he's badly injured. I always wanted to see the guy succeed - but it's hard to when he gets great advice for free courtesy of LRC, and does the exact opposite.
Stop make sense. Seth does follow common sense. He is a mad scientist.
I thought the first Tuesday’s with TL was at least interesting and probably helpful to a lot of his couch to 5K type viewers. He would post her daily activity for the week every week so that someone could follow along if they wanted to. That was back when they were in Englewood not some McMansion in Littleton when the channel was more bearable.
He didn' t exactly give many details what "working for DGR" actually involves. You probably have to pay for the shoes yourself as I doubt shoe companies will want to send out free shoes to random DGR Hobbyjogger Stans.
Of course he didn't give any details because he hasn't actually thought about any of the details himself yet as usual. I'm surprised he even used the word hiring because there's no way part of this master plan includes actually paying people. He probably plans to "pay" with the privilege of being featured on his YouTube channel, which sadly is actually probably sufficient for some of the more pathetic DGR stans.
Anyway, no chance he actually follows through with this. File it with the DGR logo contest, his plans over the years to raise and donate money to people in need, and other things like that as just another stupid idea for Seth to abandon once he realizes he might have to think about it for more than 10 seconds.
Also note how he mentioned giving away those NB shoes that weren' t his size. I doubt that will actually happen but seeing as he reads this thread, maybe it actually will.
Or they will fall victim to the electric saw for "science".
A month or two ago Seth talked about hiring somebody, but paying them with shoes. Why would we think that his income has rocketed up to now paying someone with cash?
I hope Seth does get others to do shoe reviews, it would be funny to watch that fail miserably. Because to the stans, Seth is a celebrity. If some nobody reviews a shoe, a lot of them probably won't even watch the video. If Seth sees these other reviewers get low views they will be fired in a heartbeat, and their only income from the entire experience will be a single size 9.5 Mach 5.
Also note how he mentioned giving away those NB shoes that weren' t his size. I doubt that will actually happen but seeing as he reads this thread, maybe it actually will.
Or they will fall victim to the electric saw for "science".
In addition to his myriad other character flaws, Seth seems very materialistic (see: his many shelves, cupboards, and entire storage unit filled with barely used running shoes; shamelessly begging companies for free stuff despite his house littered with various running gadgets, accessories, and recovery gear; casually tossing aside heartfelt viewer-sent letters and postcards in favor of opening the umpteenth shoe box from running warehouse; etc.)
I'm honestly surprised he'd even entertain the idea of giving away one of his precious pairs of shoes.
He had a solid 4-5 years to make it and p*ssed it away - all it got him was a 2:22 marathon, a couple weak PP wins, and a nasty injury thanks to his braindead training methods. He could've been a mountain king, could've ran an OTQ marathon, could've gone all in on 100 milers (I still think he has tons of potential here), but he's getting older, his family is getting bigger, and he's badly injured. I always wanted to see the guy succeed - but it's hard to when he gets great advice for free courtesy of LRC, and does the exact opposite.
This is the essence of my frustration with him. His Poncho Walk is actually quite symbolic because it was the New York Marathon where he went off the rails for me. The mad scientist nonsense, the absolute refusal to do speedwork to actually meet his goals, and his lack of honesty around what happened. I used to be a subscriber, but I lost all respect for him during that debacle and it's just gone downhill from there.
This is the essence of my frustration with him. His Poncho Walk is actually quite symbolic because it was the New York Marathon where he went off the rails for me. The mad scientist nonsense, the absolute refusal to do speedwork to actually meet his goals, and his lack of honesty around what happened. I used to be a subscriber, but I lost all respect for him during that debacle and it's just gone downhill from there.
Yeah, this isn't talked about enough. He had a great opportunity at NYC. Getting the transportation to the startline and access to the elite warmup facility is a huge advantage at that marathon, and it's hard to get. There are a decent amount of reasonably fast guys (sub-2:30) who have to wake their asses up at 4:30 to take the train to the ferry to the bus to sit on Staten Island for two hours who would kill for that opportunity. He decided to completely sabotage his race by going out way too fast and then make a joke of the last half. It was really gross.
This is the essence of my frustration with him. His Poncho Walk is actually quite symbolic because it was the New York Marathon where he went off the rails for me. The mad scientist nonsense, the absolute refusal to do speedwork to actually meet his goals, and his lack of honesty around what happened. I used to be a subscriber, but I lost all respect for him during that debacle and it's just gone downhill from there.
Yeah, this isn't talked about enough. He had a great opportunity at NYC. Getting the transportation to the startline and access to the elite warmup facility is a huge advantage at that marathon, and it's hard to get. There are a decent amount of reasonably fast guys (sub-2:30) who have to wake their asses up at 4:30 to take the train to the ferry to the bus to sit on Staten Island for two hours who would kill for that opportunity. He decided to completely sabotage his race by going out way too fast and then make a joke of the last half. It was really gross.
NYC 2021 was truly where he jumped the shark.
Also add to your points the fact that his training for that was pure sh*t.
This is the essence of my frustration with him. His Poncho Walk is actually quite symbolic because it was the New York Marathon where he went off the rails for me. The mad scientist nonsense, the absolute refusal to do speedwork to actually meet his goals, and his lack of honesty around what happened. I used to be a subscriber, but I lost all respect for him during that debacle and it's just gone downhill from there.
I think it's interesting - IMO he busted out the poncho because he knew his uncritical viewers would love a throwback to earlier in this incredible journey. Like they are out of their minds, rose-colored glasses doesn't begin to describe it. Parasocial relationship comes close.
The NYC thing really pisses me off too. I've run there a few times,the slog to the start and the wait can ruin your race if not well prepared. The fact he had all the luxury travel and facilities handed to him and then blanes his atrocious performance on the food in NYC is pathetic.There is no better place to prepare for your race than NYC,the choice of food and quality available is incredible in that city. Also he looks badly injured in these latest videos judging by the way he's waddling around in pain...yet again not being honest with his fans,he let slip that he fell on the trails right before this injury but hasn't brought it up since. Must have been a howler.
Of course DGR fan reviews will never happen! This is already an idea he has brought up in the past, although, back then it was not tied to the word "employment" at all. I think he was expecting DGR Stans to do it for free. Today he mentioned looking for someone that can learn the scoring system and understand the review process. Seth admittedly doesn't even understand his own system. He says he's still working on figuring it out. Can you imagine him actually trying to teach someone else about his review process in a sensible way that they could follow!?
"So yea, basically take the shoe out for a few runs, 9:00-9:30 pace is fine, then turn the camera on and start riffin'! Make sure to use at least 12 of the catchphrases from the list I provided, then poke it with the durometer several times until you get a reading that looks good and go with that! Oh, and at the end when you total up the score, if it's outside of the 7.2-7.8 range, you've done something wrong and you need to go back and do it again."
There is no way he is going to give up any bit of his DGR empire to share the spotlight with someone else. If he is somehow able to stomach putting another person on his channel as an "expert" then I hope he can find someone that is willing to work for a free DGR membership in return.
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