Official 2018 IAAF World Indoor Day 3 Live Discussion Thread

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This is disgusting! I'm american, but not like this

What a terrible championship.

Can brits get a championship right?

We had that bull crap last year at WC with the Norovirius, Makala being banned, etc

Now this stuff.

Are you an actual idiot. The judges aren’t British.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Nope getting caught with used EPO syringes in your hotel room at a camp you are attending + your coach getting caught with a swag of EPO ready to go at the same training camp pretty much does though...[/quote

This... it's simple. Can't believe anyone denies that Dibaba is a doper, how much proof do you need?

Dibaba has supranaturally muscular legs for an Ethiopian. When people have hyper musculature, in T & F they are always doping. Add to the fact she is faster than the Chinese and the Eastern Bloc runners is evidence enough.

This is quite possibly the most stupid post I have read all day. You do you realize erythropoietin merely stimulates the growth of red blood cells, delaying muscle fatigue? It’s not like it is designed to increase muscle mass like anabolic steroids. How many busted woman distance runners do you know in the EPO era were overly muscular?

My best candidate:

Hardloper wrote:

Can't believe anyone denies that Dibaba is a doper, how much proof do you need?

Nobody has denied that Dibaba is a doper. What people are denying is the idea that Muir is obviously clean.

The problem with the case for Muir is simple. Even without the syringes, there are many reasons to be suspicious of Dibaba. Most of those reasons apply to Muir. Yet for many, these reasons don't seem worrisome.

The sad truth is that everyone who runs that fast is suspicious. Everyone. To think otherwise is naïve.

I believe that Drew Windle was the best athlete in the field today. But I also believe he employees horrible tactics. He puts himself in trouble constantly, then wonders why bad things happen. I'm happy that the DQ was changed, but frustrated that he hasn't seem to learn from his many near misses. He should have been world champion, but he cannot place himself in those bad situations. Any coach will tell his/her athletes exactly the same thing.

not a chance. AK was the best runner in the field and he duly won easily. None of the field was in his class.

Aside from the coach association, the biggest problem for me with Dibaba is her historical tendency to run extremely well indoors and early outdoor season, but then to fall off throughout the outdoor season. To me this indicates she is doping in Ethiopia, where it is extremely hard to test athletes, then dominates indoors and early outdoors while still benefiting from doping fitness. Once on the outdoor circuit, because of testing she has to stop doping and loses effectiveness as a result. At the end of the season, as we've seen the past few years, she's still a good 1500 runner, but beatable.

It's what you can expect from a likely 1:57 indoor shape Dibaba. The first 400-450m were really just a warm up to be fair. Impressive last K nonetheless.

racing for silver wrote:

not a chance. AK was the best runner in the field and he duly won easily. None of the field was in his class.

this, he would have won the race any way it was run. If someone had taken it out in sub 50, AK would have reeled him back in, and we saw what happened when they took it out in 55. I wouldnt have been surprised to see him beat the guys with faster times just because of his superior experience, but putting him in a field with these international novices (i think everyone else in the field was in their first international final), and the race was over before the gun went off.

The DQ's, this is what happens when you hire government bureaucrats to be your officials

Funny, probably true.

Les wrote:

Aside from the coach association, the biggest problem for me with Dibaba is her historical tendency to run extremely well indoors and early outdoor season, but then to fall off throughout the outdoor season....

Interesting.

A quick look at the top times list suggests you might be on to something. It sure looks like Dibaba runs a lot faster fast earlier than many other women. On the other hand, lots of other women peak in mid/late July.

It'd be interesting to look at other women, to see how unique the rhythm of her season is. Do you know if anyone has looked at this systemically?

PS I wonder if microdosing would mitigate this sort of seasonality.

falconrunner22 wrote:

The DQ's, this is what happens when you hire government bureaucrats to be your officials

Or when adult athletics, can’t run between two white lines. Let’s face it the majority have been for lane violations. You’d tell kids off for some of these careless infractions.

nice try there.

Unfortunate about your innocent "wonder why"

Kevin Mayer was the man of the meet for me. Worlds best athlete.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

that's it! I'm boycotting. I'm not watching these games any damn more.

Americans getting cheated out of winning.

Poor American crybaby. The games were BS anyway with the Americans/Brits keeping out most of the Russians and not allowing the Russians that do win earn a medal for Russia. I didn't watch any of this farce and am so glad there is such low viewership. Unless this type of crap stops, I hope these types of events are eliminated forever.

CDA wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Dibaba has supranaturally muscular legs for an Ethiopian. When people have hyper musculature, in T & F they are always doping. Add to the fact she is faster than the Chinese and the Eastern Bloc runners is evidence enough.

This is quite possibly the most stupid post I have read all day. You do you realize erythropoietin merely stimulates the growth of red blood cells, delaying muscle fatigue? It’s not like it is designed to increase muscle mass like anabolic steroids. How many busted woman distance runners do you know in the EPO era were overly muscular?

My best candidate:

https://goo.gl/images/Tjy5KF

It turns out that your example is really bad.

Whoops:

Abeylegesse tested positive for the banned ANABOLIC STEROID STANOZOLOL (Winstrol®) in a retest of a sample she gave at the 2007 world championships. She was banned for two years by the IAAF and had her results wiped out from 2007-09.

Try again.

Tears. So many tears. wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

that's it! I'm boycotting. I'm not watching these games any damn more.

Americans getting cheated out of winning.

Poor American crybaby. The games were BS anyway with the Americans/Brits keeping out most of the Russians and not allowing the Russians that do win earn a medal for Russia. I didn't watch any of this farce and am so glad there is such low viewership. Unless this type of crap stops, I hope these types of events are eliminated forever.

Wait a second. I agree with you that IAAF unfairly deprived clean Russian athletes of the ability to compete for their country, but how does that make it okay to treat American athletes unfairly?

People are, for the most part, not denying Dibaba's extremely high suspicion (almost certainty) of being a doper. However, we should apply the same standards to Muir, about whom we should at least be nearly as suspicious based on performance characteristics.

Phantasy Star wrote:

The boot-licking defenses of Dibaba are pathetic.

Look at the women's all time 1500 list (outdoor). EVERYONE ahead of Muir is linked to doping - either through a coach, agent, training partner, state-sponsored program, etc. Muir is the first one on the list with no such links. As for now, I'd consider her the legit clean 1500 WR holder, as well as the true champion of this particular meet. If any evidence to the contrary emerges, my opinion will shift.

There are new updated "Real" results from Not Really Great Britain for the women's Indoor WC 1500m.

GOLD medal - Laura Muir (the 'speedy wee' sparra Scot)

SILVER medal- Shelby Houlihan (USA)

BRONZE medal- Winny Chebet (Kenya)

OK.

That looks a lot better now.