Would you consider Herb Elliot and Peter Snell clean?
Would you consider Herb Elliot and Peter Snell clean?
Coevett wrote:
very sure wrote:
I am sure of the opposite. Fun watching the Brits trying to defend their stars while accusing the African stars.
I don't want spend minutes repeating myself or Deano or the others, but what exactly are you referring to when you say 'short space of time'. You mean Coe and Cram's 3 or 4 world records in x days at their peaks? Or do you mean that 3 British middle-distance runners appeared in the space of a decade breaking WRs?
Again I don't want to repeat myself, but if you look at the history of track and the GB contribution to middle-distance, the odd thing is not that GB produced 3 superstars in one decade or so, but that we were so fallow in the decade before (the 60's and early 70's). And that can be explained by WW2 and likely post war rationing in the UK etc. Training methods had also obviously fallen behind that of the New Zealand/Australian runners. Post 1990 and I've given the reasons many times here now. There were talented young GB runners in the early 90s, not necessarily quite on the level of the three stars, but who knows what somebody like David Sharpe (1990 World Juniors 1st 800m, 5th 1500m) would have achieved if he had had a better mental attitude and perhaps hadn't lost motivation having to compete against African dopers? Why is white middle-distance running experiencing a comeback just when testing is getting better and stricter? Why did Africans suddenly start dominating just when the first endurance drug became available?
Are you really so dumb to think that African athletes from corrupt societies and cultures with little or no testing are no more likely to cheat than European athletes with the best testing in the world?
top Moroccan 5000m runners 1999
2 12:52.53 Salah HISSOU
10 12:59.09 Brahim LAHLAFI
12 13:01.41 Brahim JABBOUR
16 13:03.69 Ismaïl SGHYR
24 13:10.10 Mohamed Saïd EL WARDI
27 13:12.23 El Hassan LAHSSINI
34 13:15.10 Saïd BERIOUI
44 13:19.94 Khalid SKAH
46 13:20.70 Abderrahim GOUMRI
Not Moroccan, but Moroccan born, Mourhit was sub 13 in 1999 as well.
Does SGHYR hold the French national record of 12:58 or something?
Porchester wrote:
Would you consider Herb Elliot and Peter Snell clean?
Yes
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Porchester wrote:
Would you consider Herb Elliot and Peter Snell clean?
Yes
Wasn't Snell built like a football player; 5-10, 180 lbs or something along those lines?
Welsh Wizard wrote:
no steroids in the 80s wrote:
is this a joke?
No. Are you Calculo?
EPO hadn’t been invented in 1980, and pretty certain HGH hadn’t yet been used as a PED.
Coe would have been tested for steroids every time he won a medal, every time he broke a world record, and regularly out of competition and out of season from the early 80’s.
Out of competition testing didn´t start until after the 1988 Olympics. That´s why Flojo retired then.
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Coevett wrote:
I don't want spend minutes repeating myself or Deano or the others, but what exactly are you referring to when you say 'short space of time'. You mean Coe and Cram's 3 or 4 world records in x days at their peaks? Or do you mean that 3 British middle-distance runners appeared in the space of a decade breaking WRs?
Again I don't want to repeat myself, but if you look at the history of track and the GB contribution to middle-distance, the odd thing is not that GB produced 3 superstars in one decade or so, but that we were so fallow in the decade before (the 60's and early 70's). And that can be explained by WW2 and likely post war rationing in the UK etc. Training methods had also obviously fallen behind that of the New Zealand/Australian runners. Post 1990 and I've given the reasons many times here now. There were talented young GB runners in the early 90s, not necessarily quite on the level of the three stars, but who knows what somebody like David Sharpe (1990 World Juniors 1st 800m, 5th 1500m) would have achieved if he had had a better mental attitude and perhaps hadn't lost motivation having to compete against African dopers? Why is white middle-distance running experiencing a comeback just when testing is getting better and stricter? Why did Africans suddenly start dominating just when the first endurance drug became available?
Are you really so dumb to think that African athletes from corrupt societies and cultures with little or no testing are no more likely to cheat than European athletes with the best testing in the world?
top Moroccan 5000m runners 1999
2 12:52.53 Salah HISSOU
10 12:59.09 Brahim LAHLAFI
12 13:01.41 Brahim JABBOUR
16 13:03.69 Ismaïl SGHYR
24 13:10.10 Mohamed Saïd EL WARDI
27 13:12.23 El Hassan LAHSSINI
34 13:15.10 Saïd BERIOUI
44 13:19.94 Khalid SKAH
46 13:20.70 Abderrahim GOUMRI
Not Moroccan, but Moroccan born, Mourhit was sub 13 in 1999 as well.
Speaking of Moroccans, I believe the very first sanction for the use of "AICAR" was just enforced with a Moroccan runner (a non-analytical anti-doping rule violation...as I believe AICAR is still basically undetectable).
Another Moroccan runner caught for doping...who would have thought. ?
https://www.usada.org/abdelmounaim-harroufi-receives-doping-sanction/Because he could run 1:41 for the 800m as a short white guy.
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nope,,, wrote:
Welsh Wizard wrote:
No. Are you Calculo?
EPO hadn’t been invented in 1980, and pretty certain HGH hadn’t yet been used as a PED.
Coe would have been tested for steroids every time he won a medal, every time he broke a world record, and regularly out of competition and out of season from the early 80’s.
Out of competition testing didn´t start until after the 1988 Olympics. That´s why Flojo retired then.
Yes, out of season testing by the IAAF started in 1989, but many European countries had started testing their own athletes out of competition and out of season for several years. In the UK they started in the early 80’s.
Love the white privilege on this thread - only one of these athlete's father was a doctor with access to PEDs for his son and while on his deathbed spoke of the "steroid" movement.
igjj wrote:
Love the white privilege on this thread - only one of these athlete's father was a doctor with access to PEDs for his son and while on his deathbed spoke of the "steroid" movement.
Whose the one on his deathbed that spoke of the "steroid" movement?
igjj wrote:
Love the white privilege on this thread - only one of these athlete's father was a doctor with access to PEDs for his son and while on his deathbed spoke of the "steroid" movement.
Lol! What are you on about?
If you’re talking about Peter Coe, he wasn’t a doctor of any description. He ran a cutlery factory in Sheffield, you muppet.
Porchester wrote:
Would you consider Herb Elliot and Peter Snell clean?
It is possible that runners in the 50's and 60's could have used amphetamines to help their performance.
It was the drug of choice for cyclists at the time.
Was Nurmi clean? Lol.
Hey, Welsh Wizard, you're the one denying that Cram ran faster than Seb. The proof is in the bloody pudding.
High-Octane Dopers wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Not Moroccan, but Moroccan born, Mourhit was sub 13 in 1999 as well.
Speaking of Moroccans, I believe the very first sanction for the use of "AICAR" was just enforced with a Moroccan runner (a non-analytical anti-doping rule violation...as I believe AICAR is still basically undetectable).
Another Moroccan runner caught for doping...who would have thought. ?
https://www.usada.org/abdelmounaim-harroufi-receives-doping-sanction/
Is this the same guy? 39?
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5599760See what HardLoper posted, I think you'll enjoy it.
No surprises here.
Inquiry minds want to know wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
Yes
Wasn't Snell built like a football player; 5-10, 180 lbs or something along those lines?
Very big legs. But he was very good at tennis (still is but nowadays, table tennis).
Coe isn’t “white.” His mother is Indian (South Asian).
madras motor wrote:
Coe isn’t “white.” His mother is Indian (South Asian).
But he doesn't look half-Indian.
madras motor wrote:
Coe isn’t “white.” His mother is Indian (South Asian).
And I think has some Jewish ancestry, but now that leftys are openly anti-semitic again being Jewish is the ultimate form of white privilege to these people.
BTW, I thought his grandmother was Indian? Or if his mother is Indian, on of her parents is British? Ethnically, I don't think he is half Indian.