Transgender girl at State Meet

Ok, let's get back to the topic.

She won the bronze at State.

She showed great improvement since she started training 6 weeks ago

I hope that she runs in College (as a walk on or even better on scholarship) as she is clearly talented.

Given her built, I think that the 400m or 800m will be her number one event (as she puts more miles/training in).

I think that she could do very well at the College level

Who will have the balls to recruit her?

I see whatcha did there. Well played :-)

The side that wants the traditional way of doing mens and women divisions will lose this battle. Theres no way that youre going to keep trans women (males) out of womens track

There's also no way you're going to be able to require them to take ANY drugs to curb testosterone, or require estrogen level or any of it, nothing of the sort. Eventually that demand will evaporate in the courts

You're not going to be able to require genitals removal either.

And not because it's anything based in principles or science

It's because political correctness and social justice-ism is going to win this fight. Theyre a brutally dictatorial movement, the media is embracing it, transgenderism have a letter in "LGBT", and you cant touch it or you're ruined. Courts are going to side with them. Media is going to side with them. And it doesnt matter if 99 percent of the public doesnt agree, it wont matter.

The rainbow horse left the barn a long time ago. This is on a trajectory and women's sports will never be the same again. If you complain, its going to be lights out for your whole career.

LGBT is taking over your sport. Trust me on this. The NCAA, IAAF, USOC, USATF, NAIA whoever, don't run sports anymore. LGBT does. They're going to run everything. They got their eye on Churches too.

Inevitable truths wrote:

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Good way to end the thread.

Testing, just in case I ever need a good login name.

Thanks to all the SJW liberals for ruining women's sports. I hope Trump puts an end to this madness.

I used to be a woman and have gone through a physical sex change to become a man. I look entirely like a man, I now have a penis, and women turn me on. But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet. So legally I'm still a woman.

North Carolina says I have to use the bathroom of the sex that's on my birth certificate. Which is female.

While I'd much prefer to use the men's room, it seems if I visit a gym there I have to use the women's shower room. It's seems wrong, but I guess I'll admit that it's kinda my fantasy.

My question: should I just waltz into the ladies' shower like it's no big deal, or should I bring my birth certificate and show it to the manager first?

robert678 wrote:

so you're saying in HS I could have just worn women's clothes and make up and said I identified as a woman and won a state cross country title and gotten a full-ride athletic scholarship?

People like you should spend some time thinking about how traumatic that would be, given the abuse you'd be subjected to (made clear in this thread). Once you've thought, you'll realize that no one chooses this, and that there are reasons people with expertise regarding this specific issue, and policy issues more generally, allow girls like this to compete against other girls.

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People like you should spend some time thinking about how traumatic that would be, given the abuse you'd be subjected to (made clear in this thread). Once you've thought, you'll realize that no one chooses this, and that there are reasons people with expertise regarding this specific issue, and policy issues more generally, allow girls like this to compete against other girls.

100% agree.

This girl is very courageous to go out there and compete against other girls.

That's why I wish that a forward looking NCAA division 1 school (doesn't have to be a top school), will have as much courage as her and make a statement here by recruiting her.

The exposure that it will create will make it much easier for the next (similar) girl, who may not have as much courage to get out there and compete.

Surely a 26.6 after a few weeks of training (probably no more than 3 times per week) is enough proof that she will be very competitive at the NCAA division 1 level (maybe not in the short sprint, but surely over 400m or 800m)

ImaT wrote:

I used to be a woman and have gone through a physical sex change to become a man. I look entirely like a man, I now have a penis, and women turn me on. But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet. So legally I'm still a woman.

North Carolina says I have to use the bathroom of the sex that's on my birth certificate. Which is female.

While I'd much prefer to use the men's room, it seems if I visit a gym there I have to use the women's shower room. It's seems wrong, but I guess I'll admit that it's kinda my fantasy.

My question: should I just waltz into the ladies' shower like it's no big deal, or should I bring my birth certificate and show it to the manager first?

I think those around you will prefer that you use the men's facilities. In fact, anyone with gender ambiguity (1 penis or 1 penis-and-a-vagina -- if I forgot anyone, let me know), regardless of their self-proclaimed gender identification, should use the men's facilities. Consider it the Unisex bathroom. It is Women who deserve the protection and privacy afforded by women-only facilities.

I agree 100%, but NC law says I have to use the women's facilities. I'm afraid if I use the men's and someone figures me out, I'll be convicted of some crazy sex crime.

Heman wrote:

I think those around you will prefer that you use the men's facilities. In fact, anyone with gender ambiguity (1 penis or 1 penis-and-a-vagina -- if I forgot anyone, let me know), regardless of their self-proclaimed gender identification, should use the men's facilities. Consider it the Unisex bathroom. It is Women who deserve the protection and privacy afforded by women-only facilities.

ImaT wrote:

But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet.

Bullcrap. Try again, libturd.

recognizer of liars wrote:

ImaT wrote:

But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet.

Bullcrap. Try again, libturd.

I love it, it's easier to "change" your gender than it is to change your name!!

At all costs wrote:

The Reason why sexes for athletics were separated long ago was because women would have never been able to have have any recognition or Limelight had all sports had both sexes compete simultaneously in the same category. No woman would have ever won anything. Women wanted a separation so they could have a stage in the world of competition. Yes that's chauvinist. It had to be. For example, Wilma rudolph would have never won a race. She got to be a recognized star because of sexist based segregation in sports. I thought that was good and what women WANTED so as to not be overshadowed.

That's about to be annihilated now.

These sorts of debacles clearly show that the sport now has to be organized as unisex open competition. Nobody's rights to compete will be taken away if it is organized like this.

Sport is supposed to represent the ideals of society and western society today does not officially discriminate against any particular sex. In just about every profession, men and women (and intersexes) have to have similar exam grades/university degrees/job experience to be considered for a given job.

Modern track and field has always been about personal development and not about winning - remember the original Olympic ideal: "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but takling part." With this in mind, it is ridiculous to start inventing subcategories just so someone can chest-thumpingly say that they have won something. Why not invent a category for distance runners not born and bred altitude so that they do not have to compete with East Africans who have so many comparative genetic advantages?

ImaT wrote:

I used to be a woman and have gone through a physical sex change to become a man. I look entirely like a man, I now have a penis, and women turn me on. But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet. So legally I'm still a woman.

North Carolina says I have to use the bathroom of the sex that's on my birth certificate. Which is female.

While I'd much prefer to use the men's room, it seems if I visit a gym there I have to use the women's shower room. It's seems wrong, but I guess I'll admit that it's kinda my fantasy.

My question: should I just waltz into the ladies' shower like it's no big deal, or should I bring my birth certificate and show it to the manager first?

There is nothing stopping you or anyone else from waltzing into the ladies shower. You don't need any supporting documentation, and if anyone questions you, you can hit them with a Federal discrimination lawsuit and destroy their business.

I don't understand your hesitation. Theoretically all this transgender stuff is to protect people like you from being made to feel uncomfortable (it isn't, but let's put that aside for now) , yet you still feel uncomfortable with all this. What's going on? Do you approve of Obama's Decree that anyone can identify as anything and use any facility and participate in any gender activity?

I don't like lefties in sports, they will throw away the idea of competition to satisfy a political agenda.

If sports is going to be political at all, it should be pro capitalist, anti-social engineering. And tough.

Left wingery is what created a trophy for all.

ImaT wrote:

I used to be a woman and have gone through a physical sex change to become a man. I look entirely like a man, I now have a penis, and women turn me on. But due to complex legal reasons, I haven't changed my name yet. So legally I'm still a woman.

North Carolina says I have to use the bathroom of the sex that's on my birth certificate. Which is female.

While I'd much prefer to use the men's room, it seems if I visit a gym there I have to use the women's shower room. It's seems wrong, but I guess I'll admit that it's kinda my fantasy.

My question: should I just waltz into the ladies' shower like it's no big deal, or should I bring my birth certificate and show it to the manager first?

My trollometer is registering fairly high on this one, plus some what seem like serious replies, 9/10. Well done.

Even pre-op I had masculine features--I could easily pass for either male or female depending on how I dressed and kept my hair. You could say the latter two were my "gender identity". Regardless, I always used the women's bathroom, but would sometimes get nasty glares if I was looking particularly male. So I tried to just avoid public bathrooms if I was in a male phase. I was terrified to use the men's room for fear I'd get assaulted by a redneck. As a teenager, I would have loved a "gender neutral" bathroom.The government legislating bathroom use based on gender identity is helping nobody--whether it's NC's law or Obama's declaration. Individuals know which bathroom choice will get them the fewest nastiest looks and choose accordingly unless they're looking for drama.If we're going to legislate something about bathroom use, we should remember that some of the worst sex crimes are men assaulting young boys-- which means we should ban Catholic priests and Republican congressmen from men's rooms.

DiscoGary wrote:

There is nothing stopping you or anyone else from waltzing into the ladies shower. You don't need any supporting documentation, and if anyone questions you, you can hit them with a Federal discrimination lawsuit and destroy their business.

I don't understand your hesitation. Theoretically all this transgender stuff is to protect people like you from being made to feel uncomfortable (it isn't, but let's put that aside for now) , yet you still feel uncomfortable with all this. What's going on? Do you approve of Obama's Decree that anyone can identify as anything and use any facility and participate in any gender activity?

Hey liar, tell us more about your complex legal battle for changing your name.